Really Really down on Lavin

Quote from: boo3 on March 11, 2013, 09:20:31 PM

Poison, no offense, but you continue to miss the point.  The a-10 and the BE are nowhere near equals. 

 You made that statement.  If your defense of this  is that "VCU would take our lunch money", you are arguing a different point entirely. VCU would beat us...  Has nothing to do with what your original point was. 

VCU beat Marquette. Temple beat SU. St.Joe's beat Notre Dame. We are leagues better than the A10 in our own delusional minds.

Your argument does not hold water. VCU beat Marquette. ...but lost to Richmond. Temple beat SU....but lost to Canisius and Dusquesne. SJU beat ND...... but lost to Fairfield. Hell Saint Louis even lost to URI! Base on your own logic, unless you believe STJ does not have a better team this year than Richmond, Canisius, Dusquesne, Fairfield, and URI...then we are more than capable of beating every team in the A-10 and would have finished top of the league if we played in the A-10.

I do not believe STJ has a better team than Butler, VCU, or Saint Louis....but they could beat them like any of those other teams did. Just because VCU, Butler, Saint Louis has a better team than us this year doesn't mean every other team that plays in the A-10 is better than us. I'm disappointed in our season, but lets be real here.

Quote from: Poison on March 11, 2013, 09:23:19 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 11, 2013, 09:20:31 PM

Poison, no offense, but you continue to miss the point.  The a-10 and the BE are nowhere near equals. 

 You made that statement.  If your defense of this  is that "VCU would take our lunch money", you are arguing a different point entirely. VCU would beat us...  Has nothing to do with what your original point was. 

VCU beat Marquette. Temple beat SU. St.Joe's beat Notre Dame. We are leagues better than the A10 in our own delusional minds.

Your argument does not hold water. VCU beat Marquette. ...but lost to Richmond. Temple beat SU....but lost to Canisius and Dusquesne. SJU beat ND...... but lost to Fairfield. Hell Saint Louis even lost to URI! Base on your own logic, unless you believe STJ does not have a better team this year than Richmond, Canisius, Dusquesne, Fairfield, and URI...then we are more than capable of beating every team in the A-10 and would have finished top of the league if we played in the A-10.

I do not believe STJ has a better team than Butler, VCU, or Saint Louis....but they could beat them like any of those other teams did. Just because VCU, Butler, Saint Louis has a better team than us this year doesn't mean every other team that plays in the A-10 is better than us. I'm disappointed in our season, but lets be real here.

You are proving my argument. Both conferences have tournament teams and bubble teams with bad losses. Nova lost to a terrible ivy team. So did Providence. You guys are arguing that bad losses count but the A10's strong wins don't.

At the end of the day, the BE has several teams that have underachieved-so far. We'll see if teams like Cinci and SU can turn it on in March. Often they do. Still, the A10 has added, if only for one year, some serious firepower.

To deny that, and claim that we're better just because we're the BE just might be the kind of elitist and careless attitude that caused SU to get housed by Butler, and Kansas to get destroyed by VCU.

We'll see how it plays out. The best thing about this debate is that while all of think I'm wrong, you'll get to know for sure if I am.

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I appreciate that, but this is flawed. The Big Ten is by far and away the best conference in the country.

Ron Roberts would be a starter playing major minutes on this team.

Not saying he is superstar but if you saw him play as a Senior in high school you could tell there was a ton of potential there. I never understood Lavin's decision to let go. He would have come into a great situation to be mentored by a Senior laden class.

Over Jakarr & Obekpa?

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

Yeah I guess you could say that but I would say ND, UConn, Nova, Providence & STJ are closer to the top tier if not equal then with the middle of the pack

Quote from: Poison on March 12, 2013, 12:18:29 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

Yeah I guess you could say that but I would say ND, UConn, Nova, Providence & STJ are closer to the top tier if not equal then with the middle of the pack

They are, but the BE has more teams in their conference. So, they'll have more in the dance. As far as SJ's, we are not any better than the middle of the A10. Dayton, Xavier, UMass and Charlotte.

Notre Dame is the one team in that group that will definitely be dancing. They will also definitely be losing in the first round, bec they are the most overrated team in the country this year, and every year.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:22:57 AM

Quote from: Poison on March 12, 2013, 12:18:29 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

Yeah I guess you could say that but I would say ND, UConn, Nova, Providence & STJ are closer to the top tier if not equal then with the middle of the pack

They are, but the BE has more teams in their conference. So, they'll have more in the dance. As far as SJ's, we are not any better than the middle of the A10. Dayton, Xavier, UMass and Charlotte.

Notre Dame is the one team in that group that will definitely be dancing. They will also definitely be losing in the first round, bec they are the most overrated team in the country this year, and every year.

I disagree with that. I think we are much better then those teams you mentioned

Quote from: Poison on March 12, 2013, 12:51:46 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:22:57 AM

Quote from: Poison on March 12, 2013, 12:18:29 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

Yeah I guess you could say that but I would say ND, UConn, Nova, Providence & STJ are closer to the top tier if not equal then with the middle of the pack

They are, but the BE has more teams in their conference. So, they'll have more in the dance. As far as SJ's, we are not any better than the middle of the A10. Dayton, Xavier, UMass and Charlotte.

Notre Dame is the one team in that group that will definitely be dancing. They will also definitely be losing in the first round, bec they are the most overrated team in the country this year, and every year.

I disagree with that. I think we are much better then those teams you mentioned

By what logic? We've beaten one ranked team, and we've lost to San Francisco, Murray State, UNC Asheville and Rutgers (at home) It is a fair comparison to line us up w those teams. We don't get more credit than Dayton because Chris Mullin went here.

Compare schedules. Tell me what you come up with. I think they're comparable.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

The top 6 teams in the Big East are Top 25 in the country. The next 4 all have a legit chance to make NCAA tourney with at large bids. Next in line is St. John's.

I usually don't debate too much on here but c'mon Poison. You're discrediting D1 coaches and now RPI algorithms. The A-10 has improved tremendously from top to bottom. The talent pool is much deeper than possibly it has ever been but it still doesn't hold a candle to the Big East.

Just food for thought...

2012 NBA Draft Players Drafted

Big East: 9 | A-10: 1

Quote from: Poison on March 12, 2013, 12:18:29 AM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on March 12, 2013, 12:08:42 AM

I have been to many A-10 games this year and although its a solid conference it isn't on the level of big east. St Louis, Butler, VCU, Temple & La Salle are good teams, the rest are average at best

After Louisville, Georgetown, Marquette, SU and Pitt aren't the rest of our teams average as well? Or below average?

The top 6 teams in the Big East are Top 25 in the country. The next 4 all have a legit chance to make NCAA tourney with at large bids. Next in line is St. John's.

I usually don't debate too much on here but c'mon Poison. You're discrediting D1 coaches and now RPI algorithms. The A-10 has improved tremendously from top to bottom. The talent pool is much deeper than possibly it has ever been but it still doesn't hold a candle to the Big East.

Just food for thought...

2012 NBA Draft Players Drafted

Big East: 9 | A-10: 1

Dave, this has nothing to do with the NBA. Butler may never have an NBA star, but good for them. Who cares?

And this isn't about rankings or RPIs. It's about winning or going home. Like I said, we'll see how good this BE is. I believe it's overrated. We'll find out.

 Has Lavin lost the team

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