Josh Cunningham - PF - Morgan Park HS - Chicago, IL - BRADLEY

Quote from: section3 on April 27, 2014, 04:01:58 PM

Quote from: sju89tr on April 27, 2014, 11:17:27 AM

Go to land Cunningham and Thomas at this point
I think that would be enough to get through the year although another big and shooter would be useful 

Think we will still need a shooter

Phil Greene shoots 40 percent from three. Who do you think will come in and do better than that?

Can't argue with Phil's accuracy when he catches and shoots...I think we need someone who can create his own shot...IMO Phil is not adept at shooting off the drbble

Malik-Abu, Terrell, Whitehead and Cunningham would make Lavs 0/4 with top100 targets this year.

A ton of that can be attributed to immediate playing time, which is what most elite recruits covet. I'm still holding out hope that he's a Johnnie, Phils tweet today leaves hope.

This kid Jay Henderson is a stud, and has played high level AAU ball in Orlando for years. He's guided his HS to multiple state championships along Joel Berry (UNC).

If we lose out on Cunningham, and I were the staff, I'd have Henderson on campus immediately and lock him up. He's another 4year player who will blossom with a player development specialist like Rico. I've read that he's a high character kid too.

What's worse - Baldi trolling or people attacking him? 

Root Canal  v. Colonoscopy

 who is attacking Baldi?

MCNPA- what makes you think Cunningham, as a frosh, would be able to start at SF , over Sr. Dom Pointer?  I know Pointer isn't great, but he going to be a 4th year BE player and someone coach has loved for whatever reason.

 Anyhow, I would be shocked if we aren't 3 guard lineup with Obekpa, Jones/Thomas (hopefully)

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.  I don't care whether Bradley is the local school.  SJU has been missing on those types of kids for decades now.  We have no frontcourt and no competition on the roster for Cunningham, yet still can't land a top 100 kid now.   It's ridiculous.  I'll hold judgement unit tomorrow's press conference, but we can't compete without a front court and right now we have none.  Zip, zero.  Can't compete with the big boys with no talent coming in. 

 What about Adonis the Giant and Thomas... If we land Thomas, do you still think we can't  compete upfront w/ Obekpa, Jones, Thomas, Adonis? 

Thomas was always the key.  Cunningham would have been a terrific late get but he was always more of a future player.  His impact would not have been that great next year.  Whereas Thomas will be.

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

Quote from: MCNPA on April 28, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

 Definitely fair..agree.

I'll be upset if we lose him but you are blowing him up way too much MCNPA if you think he starts at SF.  We start either three guards or Dom.  No way this kid who is at the back end of the top 100 cracks a lineup over a senior guard or a senior SF who, by the way, was ranked about 60 something spots ahead of him.

Quote from: MCNPA on April 28, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU.  Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed.  You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now.  There are dozens of other factors.  And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country.  So what?

I'm not happy where our front court is at all.  Not in the least.  We have nobody.  Zero offense at the 3-5 spots.  Devoid of talent IMHO.  Thomas sounds fine, but most teams have st least 4-5 players at the 3 and 4 spots.  We have very little.  I don't think Cunningham is a savior, but I'm disturbed that we are going to be this thin at the forward spots if we don't land both Cunningham and a Thomas and imo neither is the caliber of talent we had been landing in Lavin's first year or two.

Losing Cunningham would be a huge failure in my eyes and I don't think this is overblowing it at all,  I don't want to see us play 3 guards.  I don't think we prepared well at all recruiting-wise with this class and are way behind now.  Cunningham choosing Bradley would be a black eye for us considering the Hall just landed 3 top 100 kids locally. 

As for immediate help who knows but he is a top 100 player and would have helped in 15-16 when we will be the youngest team in America again. PT? we have only 2 forwards on the roster. It also a good thing to have some one to go up against in practice Ie. Adonis saying he is glad CO is coming back to go against in practice, so you need to be 2 deep at every position. 2 deep is only 10 players and you have 13 scholarships to give. First excuses for on court results now for recruiting. We can't beat the big boys for top talent now we lose to mid majors for marginal top 100 talent. Lost the other kid to Loyola. But it's not Lavin was late to the party. Than what is it? Kids are afraid of earning PT at forward with a non starting senior who can't shoot and a redshirt that hasn't proven anything on the D1 level? Thankfully we still have a shot at the second coming of Dennis Rodman a once in a lifetime rebounder.

It's embarrassing to read Johnny fans whine about losing a kid to Bradley.  Bradley's a good school with strong basketball history. 

Seems like a case of too little too late.  We should go back to what we're good at - bashing the coach.  Although, unless the coach could inform recruits he was losing Sampson it was a difficult pitch. 

Leave the insults to Bradley out of it.  It makes us sound like Syracuse or UConn fans.

Is pushing the announcement out to 5:30 tomorrow CST, 6:30 NY time:

 Evan F. Moore @evanFmoore     ·   1h   
Per @NICKIRV , @JoshMCunningham is pushing bk his decision to 5:30 tmw. The team will be honored by Gov. Quinn for winning state 2X.

Once again this forum has gone insane over nothing. Where is this hard evidence that he's going to Bradley? A Jerry Meyer prediction and Zags incorrectly listing which schools were in his top3?

You all really think Marlon Jones opted to go to Loyola Chicago over St. John's? Let the spring period breathe and expire before you kill Lavs.

Just like the transfer hysteria a month ago, things are never nearly half as bad as some people within this forum make it out to be.

Once again this forum has gone insane over nothing. Where is this hard evidence that he's going to Bradley? A Jerry Meyer prediction and Zags incorrectly listing which schools were in his top3?

You all really think Marlon Jones opted to go to Loyola Chicago over St. John's? Let the spring period breathe and expire before you kill Lavs.

Just like the transfer hysteria a month ago, things are never nearly half as bad as some people within this forum make it out to be.

Agree, it's all conjecture at this point.  But we shouldn't be losing recruits to Bradley, especially if our staff is going to be postponing our recruiting until the fertile spring period where we traditionally grab recruits out of thin air.  I don't care about Bradley's illustrious history.   We've fallen behind talent-wise.  If we aren't going to make up ground, we are going backwards.  Need to land Cunningham tomorrow.

Quote from: SJUFAN on April 28, 2014, 09:31:50 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on April 28, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU.  Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed.  You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now.  There are dozens of other factors.  And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country.  So what?

The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position. 

We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.

Quote from: fordham96 on April 28, 2014, 09:47:38 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on April 28, 2014, 09:31:50 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on April 28, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU.  Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed.  You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now.  There are dozens of other factors.  And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country.  So what?

The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position. 

We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.

+100

Quote from: fordham96 on April 28, 2014, 09:47:38 PM

Quote from: SJUFAN on April 28, 2014, 09:31:50 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on April 28, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

Baldi isn't wrong on this one.  If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year.  It's the staff's to own.  I'm not a fan of Baldi.  I've been critical of him.  He's not wrong in this instance.

The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.

First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU.  Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed.  You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now.  There are dozens of other factors.  And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country.  So what?

The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position. 

We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.

Those players need to be Felix Balamou and Chris Jones. Lavin to show the fan base that he can teach. This is his system. IDK if Lavin thinks next season is important or not, but it's clear he hasn't been working hard enough enough.

If that's due to health, it would make some sense. In his first season, Lavin it felt like toured every single USA state. Now, he jumps at the 25th hour and hopes for a lottery ticket. Much like Mahoney, landed top talent early on, and then when they regressed under him, it stopped.