Does St Johns finish......?

 Lavin Recruiting grade-  A-/B+  -   Need to land top 10 or MCD AA to get an A

 In Game coaching- C

 Overall Coaching - B/B-

  We are St. John's, I'm not expecting much more.   I do, however, agree that the offense needs to get a lot more pleasing to watch..

In his two seasons as coach, his offense has resembled Norm's. Last year there were no playmakers to help the offense and it was terrible.

Players' have to make plays. No offense is going look good if the players' don't execute and make plays.

He did nothing to help free Harrison when teams were keying in on him or get Bourgault shots when he chose to play him.

There isn't an offense that will prevent another coach from keying in on an opposing player. Only thing that off sets that is other players' making plays. Bourgault had his oppurtunities and did nothing with it. He either didn't shoot when he was open, or missed when he shot. Bourgault had one good game, the only difference between his one good game and the rest of his stinkers was him, not coach and the offense. 

His stubbornness with his zone and reliance on Phil Greene were negatives.

The zone is about execution, if other teams execute and beat it, doesn't mean we go to man which we are terrible at as well. If not Phil Greene then who? As bad as Greene is running point, we had no one else on the roster that can run the point as efficiently. Now if the Phil Greene express continues and Branch and Jordan clearly demonstrates they are better options, then it will be on coach. 

I think some of you look at the issues the team has and say we should be doing something different and get on the coach if you don't see change. Its easy to say do something different, but can the team execute something different? I believe the coach knows his players' better than any of us, and if he isn't doing something, its because the team can't do it. Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing.

Basically you are saying there are no bad coaches. All about execution. It is amazing then to me how some lucky coaches always seem to have players who execute.

Basically you are saying there are no bad coaches. All about execution. It is amazing then to me how some lucky coaches always seem to have players who execute.

I think Wisconsin averaged under 50 pts but few would say that Bo Ryan is a bad coach.  JTIII's offense looked anemic at times.  Fortunately for him, he had POY candidate Otto Porter to make him look good. Also, if we ran our (matchup) zone as well as Cuse runs theirs (2-3), no one would criticize the coach for playing a zone.  Players do have to execute. 

STJFAN's post is right on with regard to Phil.  We had no other option at the point most of last year.  Heck, Dom was our only other option when Branch was out.  That should not be the case this coming season.

Funny you should mention Ryan. Good coach as he has success every year, but if he ever coached SJU I would stop rooting for them. They are the 2nd worst team in the country to watch!

Funny you should mention Ryan. Good coach as he has success every year, but if he ever coached SJU I would stop rooting for them. They are the 2nd worst team in the country to watch!

Damn, he would be the best coach we've had since Lapchick.

They win but they are painful to watch.

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

They win but they are painful to watch.

Easier when they had Devin Harris. I never had a hard time watching them. Now, how can that be?

He went to the basket body first, ball second tryin to get it over the big man.
I, for one, am not gonna fault him for that, ever.

He went to the basket body first, ball second tryin to get it over the big man.
I, for one, am not gonna fault him for that, ever.

Sorry choz, who?

Funny you should mention Ryan. Good coach as he has success every year, but if he ever coached SJU I would stop rooting for them. They are the 2nd worst team in the country to watch!

Btw, who is #1?

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Prigioni is great. Did you see his record with him as a starter? They are so much better with him on the court. Saw a stat going into last night that the Knicks are +50 with him on the court and -5 with him off for the playoffs.

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

They are not guarding Kidd. Even if Novak or Copeland don't get a shot off, they require someone's attention. They are a threat and would loosen things up. Kidd is probably in the top 5 point guards of all time, but he is doing the Willie Mays stumbling around in the outfield routine at this point.

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 12:52:36 PM

In his two seasons as coach, his offense has resembled Norm's. Last year there were no playmakers to help the offense and it was terrible.

Players' have to make plays. No offense is going look good if the players' don't execute and make plays.

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 12:52:36 PM

He did nothing to help free Harrison when teams were keying in on him or get Bourgault shots when he chose to play him.

There isn't an offense that will prevent another coach from keying in on an opposing player. Only thing that off sets that is other players' making plays. Bourgault had his oppurtunities and did nothing with it. He either didn't shoot when he was open, or missed when he shot. Bourgault had one good game, the only difference between his one good game and the rest of his stinkers was him, not coach and the offense. 

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 12:52:36 PM

His stubbornness with his zone and reliance on Phil Greene were negatives.

The zone is about execution, if other teams execute and beat it, doesn't mean we go to man which we are terrible at as well. If not Phil Greene then who? As bad as Greene is running point, we had no one else on the roster that can run the point as efficiently. Now if the Phil Greene express continues and Branch and Jordan clearly demonstrates they are better options, then it will be on coach. 

I think some of you look at the issues the team has and say we should be doing something different and get on the coach if you don't see change. Its easy to say do something different, but can the team execute something different? I believe the coach knows his players' better than any of us, and if he isn't doing something, its because the team can't do it. Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing.

There is no way that Phil Greene is our best option at point. Before his injury, Branch was far and away the best option. There is no comparison. Phil is NOT a point guard.

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Prigioni is great. Did you see his record with him as a starter? They are so much better with him on the court. Saw a stat going into last night that the Knicks are +50 with him on the court and -5 with him off for the playoffs.

He's great? I believe that's a stretch. He's scored in only 1 of the 4 games this series. He doesn't look to shoot at all, he's is a complete non factor on offense. I rather give Kid all of his minutes. At least Kid will rebound. Knicks need a shooting guard.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 15, 2013, 07:31:29 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Prigioni is great. Did you see his record with him as a starter? They are so much better with him on the court. Saw a stat going into last night that the Knicks are +50 with him on the court and -5 with him off for the playoffs.

He's great? I believe that's a stretch. He's scored in only 1 of the 4 games this series. He doesn't look to shoot at all, he's is a complete non factor on offense. I rather give Kid all of his minutes. At least Kid will rebound. Knicks need a shooting guard.

He is the only guy sans Felton who can set up for people. Best passer on the team and a nuisance on defense. He makes positive plays and makes his team better. I love Jkidd but he is not doing that right now and prigioni is a better option at this stage.

I have no problem with him looking to pass instead of shoot, look at what's around him, melo and jr take enough shots. The Knicks need players who can create for others, not themselves.

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 10:24:20 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 15, 2013, 07:31:29 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Prigioni is great. Did you see his record with him as a starter? They are so much better with him on the court. Saw a stat going into last night that the Knicks are +50 with him on the court and -5 with him off for the playoffs.

He's great? I believe that's a stretch. He's scored in only 1 of the 4 games this series. He doesn't look to shoot at all, he's is a complete non factor on offense. I rather give Kid all of his minutes. At least Kid will rebound. Knicks need a shooting guard.

He is the only guy sans Felton who can set up for people. Best passer on the team and a nuisance on defense. He makes positive plays and makes his team better. I love Jkidd but he is not doing that right now and prigioni is a better option at this stage.

I have no problem with him looking to pass instead of shoot, look at what's around him, melo and jr take enough shots. The Knicks need players who can create for others, not themselves.

The offense is struggling because wide open players are not pulling the trigger. If teams are going to leave him open he has to shoot the ball. Your starting PG can't take 2 FG attempts a game. It will get exposed in the playoffs. Only game they won is when he scored.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 15, 2013, 10:48:14 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 10:24:20 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 15, 2013, 07:31:29 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on May 15, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

Quote from: we are sju on May 15, 2013, 04:49:11 PM

Quote-Its really foolish, imo, to believe we know more than a D1 coaching staff. You just have to trust they know what they are doing. -STJFAN

I think Mike Woodson has done a nice job this year. He has been very successful and all year I have had no problem with him. In the Pacer series, it is painfully obvious that by playing Jason Kidd with Chandler and or Martin(he played the three together last night) that you are letting the Pacers basically ignore 3 guys on D adding to the pressure on Carmelo. Also by taking away Novak and Copeland's minutes you are taking away two of the three point threats you had all year and then wondering why you aren't hitting threes. This is painfully obvious and I am sure Woodson knows more basketball than I do, but still he is making a ridiculous mistake.

I also feel Novak should be getting some time. However, I also know that Indiana is playing straight up, they are not doubling, or switching. Novak and Copeland will not get any open looks, they are not good off the bounce and are poor defenders. So I understand why they are not getting any minutes. Your statement sounds good in theory, but in practice its not going to work. Sure they are their best 3 point shooters, but if they cannot get any of their shots off, how else are they going to contribute? Indiana is too physical for those players. That's why they ride the pine. The problem I believe is our gurards, they are getting out played. I can't stand Prigioni, the fact that he was starting tells you the state of our guard situation.   

Prigioni is great. Did you see his record with him as a starter? They are so much better with him on the court. Saw a stat going into last night that the Knicks are +50 with him on the court and -5 with him off for the playoffs.

He's great? I believe that's a stretch. He's scored in only 1 of the 4 games this series. He doesn't look to shoot at all, he's is a complete non factor on offense. I rather give Kid all of his minutes. At least Kid will rebound. Knicks need a shooting guard.

He is the only guy sans Felton who can set up for people. Best passer on the team and a nuisance on defense. He makes positive plays and makes his team better. I love Jkidd but he is not doing that right now and prigioni is a better option at this stage.

I have no problem with him looking to pass instead of shoot, look at what's around him, melo and jr take enough shots. The Knicks need players who can create for others, not themselves.

The offense is struggling because wide open players are not pulling the trigger. If teams are going to leave him open he has to shoot the ball. Your starting PG can't take 2 FG attempts a game. It will get exposed in the playoffs. Only game they won is when he scored.

+50 with him. -5 without.