NCAA rule changes

Not sure I like replay but like the change on charges and elbow above shoulders.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9419050/expansion-replay-review-rule-changes-ncaa-hoops

Under the replay change, officials can use video review to confirm a shot-clock violation or determine who caused the ball to go out of bounds on a deflection involving two or more players in the final two minutes of regulation or overtime.

Changes also were made for reviewing 3-pointers. For the first 36 minutes of play, officials must wait until the next media timeout to review whether a shot was a 3-point field goal. In the last four minutes of the game and the entire overtime, officials will go to the monitor immediately to determine whether a field goal was a 3.

Officials also can use the monitor to determine which player committed a foul. Previously, they were only allowed to use the monitor to determine the free-throw shooter.

The defender is no longer able to slide into the offensive player's path to the basket at the last moment and draw a charge. The defender has to be in position when the player on offense starts his upward motion with the ball. In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

When it comes to an elbow above the shoulders, referees will be allowed to use a video monitor to determine the severity of the blow. If deemed inadvertent, the referee could call a player-control foul or even nothing.

Not sure I like replay but like the change on charges and elbow above shoulders.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9419050/expansion-replay-review-rule-changes-ncaa-hoops

Under the replay change, officials can use video review to confirm a shot-clock violation or determine who caused the ball to go out of bounds on a deflection involving two or more players in the final two minutes of regulation or overtime.

Changes also were made for reviewing 3-pointers. For the first 36 minutes of play, officials must wait until the next media timeout to review whether a shot was a 3-point field goal. In the last four minutes of the game and the entire overtime, officials will go to the monitor immediately to determine whether a field goal was a 3.

Officials also can use the monitor to determine which player committed a foul. Previously, they were only allowed to use the monitor to determine the free-throw shooter.

The defender is no longer able to slide into the offensive player's path to the basket at the last moment and draw a charge. The defender has to be in position when the player on offense starts his upward motion with the ball. In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

When it comes to an elbow above the shoulders, referees will be allowed to use a video monitor to determine the severity of the blow. If deemed inadvertent, the referee could call a player-control foul or even nothing.

Its clear across basketball they are trying to get rid of the charge for fear of flopping.  I'm ok with that however it puts added pressure on the refs calling the right blocks and not ever ticky tack BS movement.

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.   

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.   

Gotta disagree with you saying no charges are being called. Think there are too many charges called IMO.

Quote from: desco80 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.   

Gotta disagree with you saying no charges are being called. Think there are too many charges called IMO.

Yeah I agree.  The charge is the textbook make-up call as well for something that went wrong down the other side of the court.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on June 25, 2013, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: desco80 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.   

Gotta disagree with you saying no charges are being called. Think there are too many charges called IMO.

Yeah I agree.  The charge is the textbook make-up call as well for something that went wrong down the other side of the court.

As much as I don't like Jay Bilas for his sometimes ACC bias, I saw an interview of him last season that he had some interesting points.  Points that I would never know about as a casual observer of the game (but rapid fan of SJU).  He said that in the college game, defensively you can get away with a lot more than vs. the pro-game.  There is lots of hand checking and body blocking that defenders can use to beat up the offensive opponent to ruin offensive sets and such - really creating havoc for offense.  His point was that the NBA used to be like that, and they've cleaned it up a lot to get offenses moving again.  He said the college game was behind and still needed to do that.  I found that interesting.

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.

So you would rather watch a dookie defender fall backwards like a bowling pin when the driver is still 5 feet away from making contact or have someone slide under a driver that is flying thru the air toward the basket. Why don't we just play a game of horse. Thought it was unanimous that there are too many blocking calls in college as opposed to the pros.

Quote from: desco80 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.

So you would rather watch a dookie defender fall backwards like a bowling pin when the driver is still 5 feet away from making contact or have someone slide under a driver that is flying thru the air toward the basket. Why don't we just play a game of horse. Thought it was unanimous that there are too many blocking calls in college as opposed to the pros.

Exactly right, there are too many blocking calls in college.  A lot of them should be charges in my mind.
Also, I don't necessarily think the pro game is better, so I wouldn't change the rules just to parallel what they're doing.   

Quote from: Celtics11 on June 25, 2013, 11:45:36 PM

Quote from: desco80 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.

So you would rather watch a dookie defender fall backwards like a bowling pin when the driver is still 5 feet away from making contact or have someone slide under a driver that is flying thru the air toward the basket. Why don't we just play a game of horse. Thought it was unanimous that there are too many blocking calls in college as opposed to the pros.

Exactly right, there are too many blocking calls in college.  A lot of them should be charges in my mind.
Also, I don't necessarily think the pro game is better, so I wouldn't change the rules just to parallel what they're doing.

I got confused-I meant to say most think there are too many charging calls in college. Agree there are many things in pros that are not better than college.

Quote from: Celtics11 on June 25, 2013, 11:45:36 PM

Quote from: desco80 on June 25, 2013, 02:22:30 PM

I don't know what the answer is, but it really frustrates me when I see guys putting their head down at the top of the key and going to the basket like a running back through a hole.  That's not basketball.     And it's partly a result of lax traveling rules, and partly a result of no-charges being called, but there's got to be a way to fix it.

I realize you don't want a defender sliding in front at the last minute when the offensive guy leaves his feet; and it's obviously hard enough on refs to spot a flop, but I just worry they're taking too much away from defenders.

So you would rather watch a dookie defender fall backwards like a bowling pin when the driver is still 5 feet away from making contact or have someone slide under a driver that is flying thru the air toward the basket. Why don't we just play a game of horse. Thought it was unanimous that there are too many blocking calls in college as opposed to the pros.

Exactly right, there are too many blocking calls in college.  A lot of them should be charges in my mind.
Also, I don't necessarily think the pro game is better, so I wouldn't change the rules just to parallel what they're doing.   

Im confused...every game I watch They call a charge every other time down the court.

In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

this is awful - use of the forearm for a post defender is the only way some smaller post defenders can hold their ground against bigger players. Making sure guys don't use their hands is great but not letting guys use their forearms is ridiculous.

A rule change like this will impact the entire game....  are we just going to see teams dumping the ball into the block and let wide body big slowly back guys down...

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on June 25, 2013, 07:57:55 AM

In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

this is awful - use of the forearm for a post defender is the only way some smaller post defenders can hold their ground against bigger players. Making sure guys don't use their hands is great but not letting guys use their forearms is ridiculous.

A rule change like this will impact the entire game....  are we just going to see teams dumping the ball into the block and let wide body big slowly back guys down...

It's not a rule change.  It's a referee "point of emphasis" which occurs every season.  Won't amount to much change in the way the game is officiated.

It's a referee "point of emphasis" which occurs every season.  Won't amount to much change in the way the game is officiated.

Won't it change the way the game is officiated if they start emphasizing it?

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on June 25, 2013, 07:57:55 AM

In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

this is awful - use of the forearm for a post defender is the only way some smaller post defenders can hold their ground against bigger players. Making sure guys don't use their hands is great but not letting guys use their forearms is ridiculous.

A rule change like this will impact the entire game....  are we just going to see teams dumping the ball into the block and let wide body big slowly back guys down...

Pretty sure this is meant more on the perimeter. As you said, banging on the blocks is a part of the game, but sometimes you see a perimeter defender in a crouch stance with his arm fully extended on a ball handlers hip outside the 3 point line. If they are going to start calling "forearm" violations in the post, then I agree with you, it would be brutal. In college basketball, one ticky tack foul, especially on a post player could put him on the bench for extended minutes. I think college should go to 6 fouls before a dq. I wouldnt even be opposed to doing away with the foul out dq completely. I don't like the idea of refs being able to take a star out of the game with cheap foul calls. Alas, I am starting to ramble and get off topic so I'll leave it at that.

On the block/charge thing, I think the offensive foul is the one thing i really don't enjoy about college basketball recently. It seems like they call the charge a ton more then they should, and also it seems like whichever team has the momentum gets the charge call in their favor anytime its close. I hate that sneaky slide into the offensive players airspace after he jumps and drop onto your ass and get rewarded. Another one I can't stand is when the ball is already long gone and they call a charge following a pass or shot. Swallow the whistle let the boys play.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on June 26, 2013, 07:18:58 PM

It's a referee "point of emphasis" which occurs every season.  Won't amount to much change in the way the game is officiated.

Won't it change the way the game is officiated if they start emphasizing it?

Parents may tell their children to emphasize studying and healthy living.  That doesn't mean it's going to happen.