European Game 3 v. Stella Azzurra

See this is a nice basketball argument here! If you have ever played organized ball, you know that a shooter needs time and touches to get in a rhythem. 8-10 minutes is a waste. Everyone keeps bringing up Novak, but look at how his play diminshed when his minutes were reduced. Besides PT in order to utulize a specialized shooter it takes commitent from the team and coach. You have to help Hooper. I am sure Hooper is a much better shooter than Bourgault, but nothing was done to help Marco last year.
People will take this the wrong way, but if Hooper really is the real deal and for the benefit of roster balance redshirting the Circle this year would make sense.

Reasonable statement fro Fran IMO;

“@franfraschilla: Hard to tell what it means but Saint John's'  6-6 Harvard transfer,Max Hooper, made 10 of 13 3's vs. Stella Azzura on Johnnies' Euro trip.”

See this is a nice basketball argument here! If you have ever played organized ball, you know that a shooter needs time and touches to get in a rhythem. 8-10 minutes is a waste. Everyone keeps bringing up Novak, but look at how his play diminshed when his minutes were reduced. Besides PT in order to utulize a specialized shooter it takes commitent from the team and coach. You have to help Hooper. I am sure Hooper is a much better shooter than Bourgault, but nothing was done to help Marco last year.
People will take this the wrong way, but if Hooper really is the real deal and for the benefit of roster balance redshirting the Circle this year would make sense.

The measure of Lavin's seriousness this year will be how quickly he throws Greene under the bus. If Harrison has bought in there's minimal room for Greene in the rotation, and that's without counting Hooper, if Hooper is in fact a shooter, which I'll believe when I see.

At the tempo we play, 9 guys max would be the most you should play on any kind of consistent basis. I really hope Lavin doesn't resort to that shuffling in and out thing from last year just to play 10 or 11. 

Quote from: we are sju on August 28, 2013, 09:14:19 AM

See this is a nice basketball argument here! If you have ever played organized ball, you know that a shooter needs time and touches to get in a rhythem. 8-10 minutes is a waste. Everyone keeps bringing up Novak, but look at how his play diminshed when his minutes were reduced. Besides PT in order to utulize a specialized shooter it takes commitent from the team and coach. You have to help Hooper. I am sure Hooper is a much better shooter than Bourgault, but nothing was done to help Marco last year.
People will take this the wrong way, but if Hooper really is the real deal and for the benefit of roster balance redshirting the Circle this year would make sense.

The measure of Lavin's seriousness this year will be how quickly he throws Greene under the bus. If Harrison has bought in there's minimal room for Greene in the rotation, and that's without counting Hooper, if Hooper is in fact a shooter, which I'll believe when I see.

I agree.  At least one player expecting big minutes will be short changed.

Remember, though, that Phil looked great early last year then struggled after he hurt his hip.  Also, injuries happen, as do transfers and red shirts.

 Phil should redshirt.... that damn hip... ... Problem solved..

At the tempo we play, 9 guys max would be the most you should play on any kind of consistent basis. I really hope Lavin doesn't resort to that shuffling in and out thing from last year just to play 10 or 11. 

Bottom line is if Hooper can shoot, and hit in BE games, he will get minutes and touches. It's pointless to try and calculate where they would come from, because if he deserves the minutes he will get them. Especially if he is literally the only one on the team who can hit threes with regularity. We even saw Lavin trying to get Bourgault minutes last year but he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Quote from: we are sju on August 28, 2013, 10:23:49 AM

At the tempo we play, 9 guys max would be the most you should play on any kind of consistent basis. I really hope Lavin doesn't resort to that shuffling in and out thing from last year just to play 10 or 11. 

Bottom line is if Hooper can shoot, and hit in BE games, he will get minutes and touches. It's pointless to try and calculate where they would come from, because if he deserves the minutes he will get them. Especially if he is literally the only one on the team who can hit threes with regularity. We even saw Lavin trying to get Bourgault minutes last year but he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Agreed.  If Hooper can consistently shoot the 3 with a D-1 defender in his face, then we should find this kid some minutes.  Otherwise, he's Marco, part deux.

But therin lies the rub. If you are going to commit to getting him minutes you have to find said minutes. If he is going to try to just throw him in at 2 minute intervals like with Marco where Hooper knows he needs to make his first shot, it won't work. If you think the kid should play then those minutes have to be carved out beforehand. Not, "well if he hits a three I will find him some minutes"!

But therin lies the rub. If you are going to commit to getting him minutes you have to find said minutes. If he is going to try to just throw him in at 2 minute intervals like with Marco where Hooper knows he needs to make his first shot, it won't work. If you think the kid should play then those minutes have to be carved out beforehand. Not, "well if he hits a three I will find him some minutes"!

You're right, and you've identified what has appeared to be Lavin's approach toward Marco last year (consistently hit a few quick 3's and you'll get more minutes).  My hope is that Whitesell will have more of a game plan to strategically use Hooper, whether as a zone buster or in running plays that are designed to free up the outside shot for a sharp shooting specialist.   

  Marco did not get enough minutes and when he did , he rarely saw the ball from Greene.. It's unfair to say he can't shoot based off last year's performances. He basically got garbage minutes and, only a few meaningful chances.  That being said, it appears Hooper might be the real deal and our best shooter since Bootsy.

Funny thing about averaging 8-10 mpg, some games you play 6, others you play 20.  Things happen.  Guys have injuries, foul trouble, off nights.  Different matchups call for different lineups.  If a kid can hit 10-13, he will find minutes.

If a guy can shoot and he plays, he can succeed. If a guy can shoot but does not get consistent minutes then he will fail! If they try to get Hooper spot minutes in the offense we run he can't succeed. All I am saying is for him to succeed he would need to be part of some rotation. If he gets in there misses a couple shots then gets yanked out people will start posting that he isn't that good and shouldn't play. If he is as good a shooter as people say, I would like him to be part of the 9 guys that will play in some sort of orderly rotation.If not, shouldn't even bother with him as it will quickly become the American version of Marco Bourgault story.

If a guy can shoot and he plays, he can succeed. If a guy can shoot but does not get consistent minutes then he will fail! If they try to get Hooper spot minutes in the offense we run he can't succeed. All I am saying is for him to succeed he would need to be part of some rotation. If he gets in there misses a couple shots then gets yanked out people will start posting that he isn't that good and shouldn't play. If he is as good a shooter as people say, I would like him to be part of the 9 guys that will play in some sort of orderly rotation.If not, shouldn't even bother with him as it will quickly become the American version of Marco Bourgault story.

Your point is and has been clear.

You would think,  but I feel like i have seen this movie before. See people try to forget or pretend like it never happened, but people were raving about Bourgault and whining when he was ineligible. Then they actually stalked him and posted his travel itinerary to get to that tourney early last season. Does anyone remember that thread? Someones brother was in his class or something when he got word he was eligible. Then MCNPA's sister's uncle's landscapper was on the flight with him. Kid barely played then got staggered minutes then struggled and everyone then claimed he stunk.
So basically I am trying to keep the people blowing up Hopper honest before they start posting that he stinks.

You would think,  but I feel like i have seen this movie before. See people try to forget or pretend like it never happened, but people were raving about Bourgault and whining when he was ineligible. Then they actually stalked him and posted his travel itinerary to get to that tourney early last season. Does anyone remember that thread? Someones brother was in his class or something when he got word he was eligible. Then MCNPA's sister's uncle's landscapper was on the flight with him. Kid barely played then got staggered minutes then struggled and everyone then claimed he stunk.
So basically I am trying to keep the people blowing up Hopper honest before they start posting that he stinks.

You know this crowd.

You would think,  but I feel like i have seen this movie before. See people try to forget or pretend like it never happened, but people were raving about Bourgault and whining when he was ineligible. Then they actually stalked him and posted his travel itinerary to get to that tourney early last season. Does anyone remember that thread? Someones brother was in his class or something when he got word he was eligible. Then MCNPA's sister's uncle's landscapper was on the flight with him. Kid barely played then got staggered minutes then struggled and everyone then claimed he stunk.
So basically I am trying to keep the people blowing up Hopper honest before they start posting that he stinks.

But Hooper is a much higher caliber player than Bourgualt.

Hooper is a legit major conference guy, Marco is a mid-major caliber guy playing in the BE only because he packaged himself with his highly recruited juco teamate.

So while im not going to suggest Hooper is the second coming of Kyle Korver, i will say that he wont suck and will definatedly get his minutes and have over 20 3-pointers. In fact, with the weak OOC, he should be approaching 20 by the time BE conference play starts.

He will have 20 in the first five games...put it in the books

Have not seen him play and I am not disparaging him. To play Devils Advocate though, kid did not get any burn at Harvard . Again the real question is minutes. Everyone is pooh pahing this but it is a legit question. The answer would seem to be Greene's minutes, but does anyone see Lavin discarding his Geno?

Again, I also feel as I owe it to you fine people to temper this Hooper mania so as you wont feel the urge to kill him when things go Bourgault on him. Consider it a Public Service Announcement.

Also the curse of Mullin is a vey real thing. Outside of one year of Rowan we have not had a shooting guard that could actually shoot. Bootsy was a scorer that could knock down a three, but wasn't a classic shooter.

Quote from: we are sju on August 28, 2013, 01:57:39 PM

You would think,  but I feel like i have seen this movie before. See people try to forget or pretend like it never happened, but people were raving about Bourgault and whining when he was ineligible. Then they actually stalked him and posted his travel itinerary to get to that tourney early last season. Does anyone remember that thread? Someones brother was in his class or something when he got word he was eligible. Then MCNPA's sister's uncle's landscapper was on the flight with him. Kid barely played then got staggered minutes then struggled and everyone then claimed he stunk.
So basically I am trying to keep the people blowing up Hopper honest before they start posting that he stinks.

But Hooper is a much higher caliber player than Bourgualt.

Hooper is a legit major conference guy, Marco is a mid-major caliber guy playing in the BE only because he packaged himself with his highly recruited juco teamate.

So while im not going to suggest Hooper is the second coming of Kyle Korver, i will say that he wont suck and will definatedly get his minutes and have over 20 3-pointers. In fact, with the weak OOC, he should be approaching 20 by the time BE conference play starts.

Not saying that Hooper will be a bust but what suggests that he is a legit major conference guy?  He originally went to the Ivy League and couldn't get any playing time there.