Seton Hall game thread

 I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

It wasn't horribly coached but would have been nice and not impossible to have 1 timeout left for that inbound situation.

Lavin and the staff actually made all the right substitutions at the end of the game this time unlike the last couple games

Quote from: boo3 on January 23, 2014, 09:41:06 PM

I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

It wasn't horribly coached but would have been nice and not impossible to have 1 timeout left for that inbound situation.

Lavin and the staff actually made all the right substitutions at the end of the game this time unlike the last couple games

  Baby steps..

Jerry Carino (@NJHoopsHaven) tweeted at 9:44 PM on Thu, Jan 23, 2014:
Aside from the BET loss to Rutgers his first year, that was as upset as I've seen Kevin Willard in a postgame presser. Literally red-faced


I think Willard hates us. I don't think he was too pleased with the fact that this game was at CA instead of MSG

I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

Fouling up 3 with 5 seconds left is a good call. Fouling up 3 with 15 seconds left is NOT a good call. Thats like giving up a layup to a team. Especially with the way we struggle to hit free throws and get the ball in bounds late it is something that should not be done. I dont think we meant to by the way, I think the guys started to scramble and they fouled accidentally, at least I hope so.

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Just win baby!

I really didn't like the decision to foul up 3 with 15 left. Especially right after Dlo clanked 2 FT's.

Quote from: boo3 on January 23, 2014, 09:41:06 PM

I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

Fouling up 3 with 5 seconds left is a good call. Fouling up 3 with 15 seconds left is NOT a good call. Thats like giving up a layup to a team. Especially with the way we struggle to hit free throws and get the ball in bounds late it is something that should not be done. I dont think we meant to by the way, I think the guys started to scramble and they fouled accidentally, at least I hope so.

  Fair enough, but it worked out.. You know that if we don't foul Oliver or Gibbs is hitting a three. Maybe it wasn't called for? I'm not sure. Announcers made it sound like it, but they were pretty terrible also..

 I hope you see my point though..  This wasn't on coach, no matter how much you hate him or want him out.   D-lo had numerous opportunities to bury this, from the field and at the line..  Branch had some head scratching turnovers ( and a few nice plays, as is his usual)..   Gift can't grab a rebound,  Pointer shooting too much, etc...

 Just happy tot get a win and hope it carries over to the next one.. We need a winning streak . We need to carry momentum and confidence throughout the rest of the BE season.  Hopefully we do peak as the BE tourney starts and something crazy happens..    What else can we root for?

I didn't think it was horribly coached at all.. We took bad shots, missed free throws , turned the ball over,  and committed stupid fouls... That's why they came back.  D-lo missed some wide open jump shots that would have been daggers.

Personally, I think Lavin's decision to foul up 3 , 2x, saved the game..  I have no doubt if we play straight up, Oliver gets open for a 3 and we either lose or go to OT.

I know it isn't a popular point of view, but I thought it was obvious.. I know it doesn't fit the narrative around here, but it is what happened..
 

I don't necessarily blame Lavin either and I like the fouling when you are up three.  However, when a team finishes a game that shaky it does reflect on the coach, right or wrong that is the way it goes.
Whatever, win next two and people can start to be delusional again

BTW Jordan's bounce pass was the best pass thrown by a SJU point guard since Omar Cook was here.

BTW Jordan's bounce pass was the best pass thrown by a SJU point guard since Omar Cook was here.

 yeah, he's special.. Almost better than Kidd.   Kid needs the ball in hands all the time.. He can get to the paint at will it seems and he isn't selfish.. I have more confidence with him at end of games than anyone else..

 Sampson offense in the 2nd half was very good.  Hit his jumpers, didn't force too much..

beating this seton hall team by one at CA is...well...basically pathetic.  At least it is a win.

Quote from: we are sju on January 23, 2014, 10:14:19 PM

BTW Jordan's bounce pass was the best pass thrown by a SJU point guard since Omar Cook was here.

 yeah, he's special.. Almost better than Kidd.   Kid needs the ball in hands all the time.. He can get to the paint at will it seems and he isn't selfish.. I have more confidence with him at end of games than anyone else..

 Sampson offense in the 2nd half was very good.  Hit his jumpers, didn't force too much..

I just hope Lavin doesn't hype him as the best player that ever transferred away from him

 Important to remember that, for the majority of the 2nd half, we played as good as we have all season.   I know it pains a few of you, but you can say it... we looked good ....

Important to remember that, for the majority of the 2nd half, we played as good as we have all season.   I know it pains a few of you, but you can say it... we looked good ....

What game were you watching.  We had a 17 point lead with 8 minutes to go and had to hang on for dear life against another cellar dweller at home?  We took bad shots , stopped driving to the basket which gave us the lead to begin with, tried to stall play with a slim lead , watch Lavin sit on his time outs with Seton Hall making their comeback and watch Sanchez and Sampson on the bench in the final minutes of the game. and you call that as good as this team has played all season???  If that were the case, we would not have won any other games against even the cupcakes.

  Your narrative conveniently begins at our 17 point lead... Personally, I'm shocked.  I've already explained my thoughts on the SH comeback, no need to rehash..  Might as well focus on the positive , though, right?  I  mean, we do want them to win and play good.   

  Yes,  getting the large lead during that stretch in  the 2nd half was as good as this team has played all season.  Is it that much of a stretch?  In case you missed it, we haven't been very good this season.... Thought you were on top of these things?

 So, your point is that the team still sucks..   Got it..   

We did look real good for a while. I thought we were going to blow them out. We looked like we were having fun out there. Then it fell apart.

Willard was probably pissed because Tiny asked him after the game to add a few other people to his staff or the university's payroll in order for Whitehead's commitment to stay legit.

  Your narrative conveniently begins at our 17 point lead... Personally, I'm shocked.  I've already explained my thoughts on the SH comeback, no need to rehash.. 

Quote from: boo3 on January 23, 2014, 11:08:20 PM

  Your narrative conveniently begins at our 17 point lead... Personally, I'm shocked.  I've already explained my thoughts on the SH comeback, no need to rehash..  Might as well focus on the positive , though, right?  I  mean, we do want them to win and play good.   

  Yes,  getting the large lead during that stretch in  the 2nd half was as good as this team has played all season.  Is it that much of a stretch?  In case you missed it, we haven't been very good this season.... Thought you were on top of these things?

 So, your point is that the team still sucks..   Got it..   

   

  Yes,  getting the large lead during that stretch in  the 2nd half was as good as this team has played all season.  Is it that much of a stretch?  In case you missed it, we haven't been very good this season.... Thought you were on top of these things?

 So, your point is that the team still sucks..   Got it..   

Boo - here's your mistake when it comes to Gonzo Linda:  "Might as well focus on the positive , though, right?  I  mean, we do want them to win and play good." 

I don't think so...he he he he  "Linda don't play that" positive thinking stuff.  The excellent play in the second half was a blur to her.  IMHO, the thought of further consistency having even a remote possibility of growing from that sickens her stomach. Her majority of posts on this board speaks to that.http://youtu.be/YxYvzVxJtYM

Mixed bag tonight but we got the W and that's whats important.

I was 2 rows from the court and our bench and got to hear some of the things that go on during the game.  We are so bad defending screens and making choices of when to switch.  The only guy that I heard yell out screens all night on the defensive end was Sanchez.  Lack of communication on the floor is a big issue for our defense.  We need to do a better job fighting over screens instead of taking shortcuts of switching so often.

Glad to see positive results and dividends from us pressing for the large majority of the game off of makes.  This is our identity and we need to sink or swim playing to it.  This was long overdue.

I was also glad to see that either Branch or Jordan was on the floor for the entire game (at least Im pretty sure the entire game).  Our ball movement was exponentially better tonight.

The stretch of this game was a disaster, and even more horrifying was hearing Jakarr during the postgame presser PRAISE how we played down the stretch.  He also praised Dom for the decision to throw the ball the length of the floor.  Dom had a guy open but was indecisive on that inbounds.  He shouldnt have been praised.  I hope the coaching staff isn't throwing these thoughts into the players heads that Dom was successful there.  Orlando did make a wise choice to tip it out of bounds to prevent SHU from taking it out from under our own rim, however.  And once again Lavin did an awful job with his timeout management.  He burned 2 timeouts in the final 52 seconds and didnt have one in his pocket for that last inbounds.  Really poor job again. 

Overall, glad we got the W and hopefully we're confident heading into this 2 game roadtrip.