Defense VS Creighton

Creighton is #2 in the country based on the KenPom stats. Only Arizona is above them. Thats pretty impressive

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 03:58:17 PM

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

They are definitely not stronger or faster than us, but they play with a high basketball IQ and can shoot. Those two things trump stronger and faster as we've seen multiple times this season.

As a team we miss between 4-10 bunnies a game. If we can keep those at a minimum, get the easy buckets, we can compete in this game.

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 03:58:17 PM

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

Just a much better "share the ball" and shooting team and a superior coach. They are also at home, where they seldom lose. Good luck!

Quote from: jr49 on January 27, 2014, 05:13:29 PM

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 03:58:17 PM

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

Just a much better "share the ball" and shooting team and a superior coach. They are also at home, where they seldom lose. Good luck!

Paultz apparently has money on Creighton covering the spread. 

The only way we can stop these guys is illegal in all 50 states and virtually every country in the world

How did they lose to George Washington?

we have to turn it into an ugly game. rush them, trap them, foul them hard.  we have to rebound and not allow 2nd chance points.  we may have a shot.

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 05:26:01 PM

Quote from: jr49 on January 27, 2014, 05:13:29 PM

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 03:58:17 PM

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

Just a much better "share the ball" and shooting team and a superior coach. They are also at home, where they seldom lose. Good luck!

Paultz apparently has money on Creighton covering the spread. 

Ha! Nah, love my Johnnies, but a realist on this one.

Quote from: upstate32 on January 27, 2014, 03:33:43 PM

I agree with everyone that Man to Man is the way to go.  I'd also like to see some full court pressure for some of the game. 

To win, I think we have to dare them to shoot 2pt FG's.  That means extended pressure on the ball and on anyone out on the wings.  Our Rotations have to on point, but with the way we block shots, I think we need to force them to drive to the basket. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gift get a shot on McDermott.  I think McD can muscle Dom in and around the paint.  Gift should be able to stay with him away from the basket, and casue at least a little resistance when he goes in the paint. 

I'm also worried about Wragge.  If Sanchez is on McD, then it's Sampson on Wragge and that makes me very nervous.  I actually think Dom will see more time guarding Wragge than he does McD.

You think gift will be able to stay with one of the countries best players out on the perimeter?

No.  Not in a one on one setting

But in the scheme of team defense that I described, where we force them to drive and take 2pt FG's.  Hopefully we can rotate well enough to create some block shots.  I think Gift is the best option being that he can present the most resistance when McD posts up.

You have to go man. And you have to try the press as often as possible.

St. John's has been playing great ball as of late but tend to struggle against well-coached, experienced teams with a high basketball IQ. Playing at Creighton is one of the toughest draws in college basketball and the Blue Jays have too many weapons at their disposal. Creighton 85, St. John's 78."
Full article;

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2014/1/27/5350622/game-preview-st-johns-vs-20-creighton

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 27, 2014, 04:24:18 PM

Quote from: upstate32 on January 27, 2014, 03:33:43 PM

I agree with everyone that Man to Man is the way to go.  I'd also like to see some full court pressure for some of the game. 

To win, I think we have to dare them to shoot 2pt FG's.  That means extended pressure on the ball and on anyone out on the wings.  Our Rotations have to on point, but with the way we block shots, I think we need to force them to drive to the basket. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gift get a shot on McDermott.  I think McD can muscle Dom in and around the paint.  Gift should be able to stay with him away from the basket, and casue at least a little resistance when he goes in the paint. 

I'm also worried about Wragge.  If Sanchez is on McD, then it's Sampson on Wragge and that makes me very nervous.  I actually think Dom will see more time guarding Wragge than he does McD.

You think gift will be able to stay with one of the countries best players out on the perimeter?

No.  Not in a one on one setting

But in the scheme of team defense that I described, where we force them to drive and take 2pt FG's.  Hopefully we can rotate well enough to create some block shots.  I think Gift is the best option being that he can present the most resistance when McD posts up.

If GG were to cover him he would not post up. Mc runs around like Bill Bradley, GG is the last man to put on him. Read  that Creighton leads country in 3s made and in %.

Quote from: desco80 on January 27, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

I don't buy the strategy that we have to let McDermott get his 20+, SDSU beat Creighton earlier in the year and they did it by shutting him down.  I think we have the athleticism to do that.    Whoever is guarding DM though can't be giving help on other guys.   discipline on defense will be important. 

And finding Wraggie in transition, that would be my second point of emphasis on defense. 

I think my last post to this got deleted, so let me try again.

I agree with you basically.  We do have the ability to guard him.  My point was more to guard him man to man with little help.  If you collapse on him or double he will make you pay worse.  Let him get his and guard everyone else.  His may be 10 or it may be 25 (although I think it would be closer to the higher number).  Don't let the other guys murder you from three point range.

I definitely agree  with what you and redmen212 are saying.   It's not McDermott that scares me, it's our defense collapsing and helping too early that worries me.   They'll kill us by finding the open man. 

Also, I know this isn't a popular opinion but for the same reason I would worry about pressing too much.   I can envision our guys running around trying to close out on shooters. 

If we can somehow shut these guys down this could save the season, and be out deist rank opponent victory. If we can beat creighton at away, who says we can't do the same thing with Nova.

Trying not to get my hopes up though...

If we can somehow shut these guys down this could save the season, and be out deist rank opponent victory. If we can beat creighton at away, who says we can't do the same thing with Nova.

Trying not to get my hopes up though...

We'd be 3-5 and on a roll. This is a key game. Need to win it to keep any hope alive.

Quote from: jr49 on January 27, 2014, 05:13:29 PM

Quote from: paultzman on January 27, 2014, 03:58:17 PM

As 14.5 dogs the smart guys don't think it matters what D we play.

Smart guys only wanna split bet between us and the mid-major. Thats what I was hearing about the Jays, here. Well, we got the chance to show they are only a mid-major, and can't get it done in the BE. Gatta kill em off the boards. Make most of our second chance opportunities and not give them any. Are they stronger and faster then us? 

They are definitely not stronger or faster than us, but they play with a high basketball IQ and can shoot. Those two things trump stronger and faster as we've seen multiple times this season.

As a team we miss between 4-10 bunnies a game. If we can keep those at a minimum, get the easy buckets, we can compete in this game.

They might quicker in a 100 yard dash but they make decisions much quicker. Those split seconds count.

Quote from: desco80 on January 27, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

I don't buy the strategy that we have to let McDermott get his 20+, SDSU beat Creighton earlier in the year and they did it by shutting him down.  I think we have the athleticism to do that.    Whoever is guarding DM though can't be giving help on other guys.   discipline on defense will be important. 

And finding Wraggie in transition, that would be my second point of emphasis on defense.

This is what scares me about this game.

McDermott got 30 vs the Aztecs, but they kept his teammates in check. Game was more lopsided than the score shows. State dominated them with their athleticism. Besides Thames, Shrigley hurt Creighton from outside. If we can hold Wragge to 10 and keep them to 70 Pt's we have a chance.

Quote from: redstorm212 on January 27, 2014, 03:34:35 PM

Quote from: desco80 on January 27, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

I don't buy the strategy that we have to let McDermott get his 20+, SDSU beat Creighton earlier in the year and they did it by shutting him down.  I think we have the athleticism to do that.    Whoever is guarding DM though can't be giving help on other guys.   discipline on defense will be important. 

And finding Wraggie in transition, that would be my second point of emphasis on defense.

This is what scares me about this game.

McDermott got 30 vs the Aztecs, but they kept his teammates in check. Game was more lopsided than the score shows. State dominated them with their athleticism. Besides Thames, Shrigley hurt Creighton from outside. If we can hold Wragge to 10 and keep them to 70 Pt's we have a chance.

Did he?   Well then that sounds like a pretty good blueprint to follow.

I'd try the old triangle and two defense, with McDermott and Wragge being guarded at all times.  Then, zone the rest of them. 

They might still shoot well enough to win, but I'd be banking on them not doing as well as the big two.

I'd try the old triangle and two defense, with McDermott and Wragge being guarded at all times.  Then, zone the rest of them. 

They might still shoot well enough to win, but I'd be banking on them not doing as well as the big two.

Maybe alternate between the triangle and two and the pentagram and none to keep them off balance.