@ Providence Game Thread

Quote from: Poison on February 04, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Only 5 turnovers tonight.

Don't mention turnovers.  Our posters are completely unconcerned with turnovers.  It is off the map as a statistic of importance to our fanbase.

Dom 5 assists, 3 steals, NO turnovers. Gets about as much love as Novak the Joker.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2014, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 04, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Only 5 turnovers tonight.

Don't mention turnovers.  Our posters are completely unconcerned with turnovers.  It is off the map as a statistic of importance to our fanbase.

Dom 5 assists, 3 steals, NO turnovers. Gets about as much love as Novak the Joker.

Dom is night and day. We never know which one we'll get. The only area he seems to be consistent in is dirty play. That is pretty disappointing. He doesn't realize that a guy on the other team could sucker punch one of our guys?

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2014, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 04, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Only 5 turnovers tonight.

Don't mention turnovers.  Our posters are completely unconcerned with turnovers.  It is off the map as a statistic of importance to our fanbase.

Dom 5 assists, 3 steals, NO turnovers. Gets about as much love as Novak the Joker.

What did you say after the Butler and Creighton game regarding beloved Dom.

So, while we appreciate that Greene is careful with the ball, it's better for the team to have a PG out there who's intention is make everyone around him better.

Where did you come up with that unique and original idea?  Straight out of left field and something I've never heard before.

But seriously.  Hollywood is embracing the 3 guard lineup more and more.  One with IV in it is what I'm in favor of.

Quote from: jr49 on February 05, 2014, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2014, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 04, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Only 5 turnovers tonight.

Don't mention turnovers.  Our posters are completely unconcerned with turnovers.  It is off the map as a statistic of importance to our fanbase.

Dom 5 assists, 3 steals, NO turnovers. Gets about as much love as Novak the Joker.

What did you say after the Butler and Creighton game regarding beloved Dom.

He's had bad games same as all the guys. Thing is when a guy not named Dom gets a few assists, he's Magic. I know he's in and out, but he don't get nothing but crap off a good game. He's having a poor year, but numbers say he's a useful player. My thing has been we need all the guys to fill their roll and play solid hoops. We need Branch, we need Green, and the rest.

Quote from: Poison on February 05, 2014, 05:01:34 PM

So, while we appreciate that Greene is careful with the ball, it's better for the team to have a PG out there who's intention is make everyone around him better.

Where did you come up with that unique and original idea?  Straight out of left field and something I've never heard before.

But seriously.  Hollywood is embracing the 3 guard lineup more and more.  One with IV in it is what I'm in favor of.

Greene shouldn't be starting. Cotton ate him alive. He's valuable for a jumper or two off the bench, but when he brings it up, the only good that ever comes from it is a basket that he makes. So, when Harrison is struggling, which is often, Greene should come in and provide the spark.

Quote from: Moose on February 05, 2014, 05:32:02 PM

Quote from: jr49 on February 05, 2014, 05:19:46 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2014, 04:43:02 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 04, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Only 5 turnovers tonight.

Don't mention turnovers.  Our posters are completely unconcerned with turnovers.  It is off the map as a statistic of importance to our fanbase.

Dom 5 assists, 3 steals, NO turnovers. Gets about as much love as Novak the Joker.

What did you say after the Butler and Creighton game regarding beloved Dom.

He's had bad games same as all the guys. Thing is when a guy not named Dom gets a few assists, he's Magic. I know he's in and out, but he don't get nothing but crap off a good game. He's having a poor year, but numbers say he's a useful player. My thing has been we need all the guys to fill their roll and play solid hoops. We need Branch, we need Green, and the rest.

If you are referring to the crap as him going for the dunk at the end well I actually agree with you.  But some posters here wouldn't step on an ant hill for fear of screwing with the worlds equilibrium.  Dom is chippy but last night he did what he should have done and honestly he's reacted 100 times worse on many more occasions.

Just as Phil has his limitations, Dom has his.  If they learn to play to their strengths they wouldn't get the flak they get.  When Dom gets the ball he has 3 feet between him and the defender.  Instead of standing there like a statue or shooting a shot he can't hit.  Use that athleticism to drive the lane.  Worst case he gets fouled.

Greene defense on Cotton was horrible last night..

I didn't see that.  But I wasn't in Rhode Island and that's something that's difficult to determine via the small screen.  I know that James Cotton didn't score his first basket till the 13:21 mark when IV was out of the game.  No points while Phil was on till the 1st tv timeout when he subbed out.  I would venture a guess that Cotton scored proportionately way more in the 22 minutes Phil was out of the game than the 18 he was on.  Not surprising, as Triangle is typically a part of our strongest defensive lineups.  Did see the BE's best player beat Phil to the basket on one occasion.
 

I didn't agree with decision to start him though

Of course not.  We started strong and had a 12 - 4 lead at the 1st Tv timeout when Phil subbed out.  This momentum led to perhaps our finest half of the season. Who in their right mind would agree with the decision to start him?   You picked the wrong game to make this point.  Last game against PC Phil didn't start and Providence got out to a 14 - 2 lead with Cotton torching us from the get go. One of the factors that cost us the game.   

especially since defense was the reason given

Didn't you read my writeup following the first Providence game.  IV's defensive effort on Cotton was phenomenal that evening.  A blind man could have seen it.  So no surprise there.

He got abused. 

Wasn't there so I'm not certain.  I know that Phil wasn't on him headsup as much as the first game..but I think you might be putting forth fantasy as fact.

Greene shouldn't be starting. Cotton ate him alive. He's valuable for a jumper or two off the bench, but when he brings it up, the only good that ever comes from it is a basket that he makes. So, when Harrison is struggling, which is often, Greene should come in and provide the spark.

See my above which applies to your nonsense as well.

  carmine-  I'm not a Phil hater, so we are straight..  I'm just telling you what I saw.   Phil couldn't stay with Cotton last night.. has nothing to do with what happened the last game..

 These are the facts, as you like to point out. And a bunch were in the first half.   Sorry.  It happens. I like the kid.  I hope he succeeds..  No need to be so defensive.

  carmine-  I'm not a Phil hater, so we are straight..  I'm just telling you what I saw.   Phil couldn't stay with Cotton last night.. has nothing to do with what happened the last game..

 These are the facts, as you like to point out. And a bunch were in the first half.   Sorry.  It happens. I like the kid.  I hope he succeeds..  No need to be so defensive.

You would be defensive about your son too! 

Quote from: Poison on February 05, 2014, 06:12:12 PM

Greene shouldn't be starting. Cotton ate him alive. He's valuable for a jumper or two off the bench, but when he brings it up, the only good that ever comes from it is a basket that he makes. So, when Harrison is struggling, which is often, Greene should come in and provide the spark.

See my above which applies to your nonsense as well.

You don't seem to respond to posts about Greene. I like Greene, but as a role player, and not as a PG. If you like him as a point guard, ok then, fine. How about actually explaining why he should be the point guard.

  carmine-  I'm not a Phil hater, so we are straight..  I'm just telling you what I saw.   Phil couldn't stay with Cotton last night.. has nothing to do with what happened the last game..

 These are the facts, as you like to point out. And a bunch were in the first half.   Sorry.  It happens. I like the kid.  I hope he succeeds..  No need to be so defensive.

I truly did not see that.  I know that James Cotton had a better game this game than his last against us and that he is a very talented offensive player.  I saw him beat Phil off the dribble once and than a lot of the evening I didn't see Phil on him.  I'm comfortable with what I wrote before: "I would venture a guess that Cotton scored proportionately way more in the 22 minutes Phil was out of the game than the 18 he was on."

As I said before,  without being at the game live,  I'm reticent to comment as an expert on the defensive performance of individual players.

This Phil discussion is just weird. Carmine seems pot committed and will argue just to argue. I think most of us like Phil .

You don't seem to respond to posts about Greene.

My apologies.  I didn't see a specific question posed.  If I look introspectively at why I've made 700 posts about Phil Greene, the top 3 reasons would be:

1) I'm a glutton for punishment.
2) I have no life.
3) I always respond to direct inquiries posed to me.

I've felt recently when I've made some outstanding pro-Greene arguments and asked specific questions to illicit a response to these points, they've been conveniently ignored by the anti-Greene camp.  Perhaps a strong tactic for a position of weakness but doesn't make for much of a debate.

I'll always respond to direct inquiries.

If you like him as a point guard, ok then, fine. How about actually explaining why he should be the point guard.

I haven't written that the Square should be the starting point guard once this entire season!  I don't know where you got that idea from.  I've posted on many occasions that I feel his talents are best suited to the shooting guard position.  In this very thread I wrote "Hollywood is embracing the 3 guard lineup more and more.  One with IV in it is what I'm in favor of. "  In hindsight it's not crystal clear but by 3 guard lineup I was referring to the obvious, i.e. one with Rysheed manning the point and IV as the 2 or 3 guard.

Question: Did you really think that I thought Phil should be the starting point guard till just right now? I do have a lot of posts out there saying the opposite.

I think most of us like Phil .

I don't think that's the case.  Particularly not so when we are losing.  I feel "backup quarterback" syndrome and me as his primary spokesperson are the main reasons for that.

Quote from: TONYD3 on February 05, 2014, 09:15:30 PM

I think most of us like Phil .

I don't think that's the case.  Particularly not so when we are losing.  I feel "backup quarterback" syndrome and me as his primary spokesperson are the main reasons for that.

It's not backup quarterback syndrome when the two guys who have taken his spot in the lineup have been outstanding and have led us to a nice streak.

http://coxsportsonline.com/2014/02/postgame-red-storms-steve-lavin-jakarr-sampson-dangelo-harrison/

post game press conference with some nice clips.

This Phil discussion is just weird. Carmine seems pot committed and will argue just to argue. I think most of us like Phil .

I think the whole Phil argument on this board can be easily explained:

- Phil is not as good as Carmine thinks he is

- Phil is not as bad as his biggest detractors think he is

I think most people that follow the team see that he is a serviceable player when he plays off the ball as a spot up shooter. The coaches did him no favors early this season by having him run the point when that just isn't his position.

Quote from: TONYD3 on February 05, 2014, 09:15:30 PM

This Phil discussion is just weird. Carmine seems pot committed and will argue just to argue. I think most of us like Phil .

I think the whole Phil argument on this board can be easily explained:

- Phil is not as good as Carmine thinks he is

- Phil is not as bad as his biggest detractors think he is

I think most people that follow the team see that he is a serviceable player when he plays off the ball as a spot up shooter. The coaches did him no favors early this season by having him run the point when that just isn't his position.

 Exactly.. 100% spot on.