Where we should be...

We should be sitting right at the top of the league you all can thank Stevie boy for the lack of chemistry early on and never giving any group of kids a chance to get used to playingtogether..

I have been saying it all along less of Branch and Sanchez means a much higher level of basketball by this team.  I cant believe some of you actually pine for Branch to play more and Sanchez is a total joke.

Jordan is the best player we have had since Mo and Obekpa seems back and I don't know why Lavin buried him so badly at the beginning of the season.

Great game by them yesterday Harrison seems like he is really maturing just not sure why this team wasn't ready in November. 

If they win 8 of last 11 and fail to win Big East tournament this all is mute.  Tournament or bust for this team no matter how they get there I don't care I am so tired of the people in here talking about next year.

If he turns the ship around I will applaud Lavin if he doesn't get them in the dance adios.

Adios?  Where are you going?

"I have been saying it all along "

 ^ you started posting 2 weeks ago...  Lol

Quote from: Poison on February 05, 2014, 03:32:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2014, 01:42:01 PM

Anything less than 11-7 regular season and 2 BET wins and we wont hear our name on selection Sunday. I dont care what "conference RPI" says, the Big East is not looked at as a good conference. Jon Rothstein didn't have the BE in his top 6 conferences last night and hes not wrong

What 6 conferences are better than the BE? The Big 12, the Big Ten, The Pac 12, The ACC (maybe) and that's it. The SEC is garbage. They have one great team, one hugely overrated team in UK, and one sleeper in Missouri. They rest are no better than an NIT team on their best day.

An argument could be made that the AAC with Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCONN is doing just as well as the BE.

Yeah, depending on how you look at it the AAC could be considered a better conference than the Big East. Theres a strong chance half the AAC makes the tourney but the bottom half of that league is horrible

We should be sitting right at the top of the league you all can thank Stevie boy for the lack of chemistry early on and never giving any group of kids a chance to get used to playingtogether..

I have been saying it all along less of Branch and Sanchez means a much higher level of basketball by this team.  I cant believe some of you actually pine for Branch to play more and Sanchez is a total joke.

Jordan is the best player we have had since Mo and Obekpa seems back and I don't know why Lavin buried him so badly at the beginning of the season.

Great game by them yesterday Harrison seems like he is really maturing just not sure why this team wasn't ready in November. 

If they win 8 of last 11 and fail to win Big East tournament this all is mute.  Tournament or bust for this team no matter how they get there I don't care I am so tired of the people in here talking about next year.

If he turns the ship around I will applaud Lavin if he doesn't get them in the dance adios.

Been saying all along less minutes for branch? since he started getting minutes we have been winning. You are an idiot. When was the last time a st johns player has had 8 assists in a game? Hes done it twice.

Just imagine if Lavin would have figured out that he should play his prized frosh from last season and his prized frosh this season more and Greene, walkons and poor Felix less before February where would we be now.

Playing Air Jordan more early on would have resulted in additional 5 foul outings and an extra RPI crushing out of conference loss or two.  Our savior was just not yet ready.  You could have a point about Jakarr.

I like branch think he has to play more. Like 20 plus a game. I also like Sanchez . He is not going to the nba but he is more then serviceable . Obekpa and pointer played down the stretch last night together for way to long. (They are becoming  two of my favorites ) they can't play together for extended minutes. Neither has any offensive game.Thought Sanchez should have come in for either. He may not be the stud everone expected but he has some skill. Plays good team defense

Quote from: we are sju on February 05, 2014, 10:30:56 AM

Just imagine if Lavin would have figured out that he should play his prized frosh from last season and his prized frosh this season more and Greene, walkons and poor Felix less before February where would we be now.

Playing Air Jordan more early on would have resulted in additional 5 foul outings and an extra RPI crushing out of conference loss or two.  Our savior was just not yet ready.  You could have a point about Jakarr.

Is there  a difference between fouling out or sitting on the bench?

He has came around very nicely, for that lavin deserves credit. I think it has a lot more to do with Rysheed himself though.

Quote from: Poison on February 05, 2014, 03:32:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2014, 01:42:01 PM

Anything less than 11-7 regular season and 2 BET wins and we wont hear our name on selection Sunday. I dont care what "conference RPI" says, the Big East is not looked at as a good conference. Jon Rothstein didn't have the BE in his top 6 conferences last night and hes not wrong

What 6 conferences are better than the BE? The Big 12, the Big Ten, The Pac 12, The ACC (maybe) and that's it. The SEC is garbage. They have one great team, one hugely overrated team in UK, and one sleeper in Missouri. They rest are no better than an NIT team on their best day.

An argument could be made that the AAC with Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCONN is doing just as well as the BE.

No argument needed. They are probably better. That's 5 ranked teams to 2 and we don't even have a third team in the receiving votes category.

Quote from: desco80 on February 05, 2014, 03:44:48 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 05, 2014, 03:32:54 PM

Quote from: goredmen on February 05, 2014, 01:42:01 PM

Anything less than 11-7 regular season and 2 BET wins and we wont hear our name on selection Sunday. I dont care what "conference RPI" says, the Big East is not looked at as a good conference. Jon Rothstein didn't have the BE in his top 6 conferences last night and hes not wrong

What 6 conferences are better than the BE? The Big 12, the Big Ten, The Pac 12, The ACC (maybe) and that's it. The SEC is garbage. They have one great team, one hugely overrated team in UK, and one sleeper in Missouri. They rest are no better than an NIT team on their best day.

An argument could be made that the AAC with Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCONN is doing just as well as the BE.

No argument needed. They are probably better. That's 5 ranked teams to 2 and we don't even have a third team in the receiving votes category.

Yet...

Quote from: Dave on February 05, 2014, 09:50:51 AM

Margin of error doesn't exist. They need to be perfect

Completely false.  They can lose one and still finish 11-7 in the third highest leage in the RPI.  People need to stop looking at our win total in a vaccum.  We don't play in the AAC, where you get ten freebies against teams with RPIs 147 and lower (we are 9-0 against teams with RPIs over 112).  In addition to the win total, the selection committee will look at the strenght of the conference (3rd it he country), recent success (they'd be on a complete tear at 20-22 wins), SOS (#33 in the country before Creighton, Xavier, Nova, Gtown), and RPI (a very solid 63 relative to the win total.  We jumped ten spots in the RPI with a win over Providence...what do you think will happen with a win over Creighton? Xavier? Gtown? Nova?  Running the table would put this team's RPI in the top 25.
There are no freebies in this Big East.  None.

AAC will have more teams in the tourney than Big East so not sure your point is valid. There is nothing on SJU's resume that gives them an edge to say they deserve to be in and there is a lot more that says they don't deserve it (losses to DePaul, Penn State).

Also Seton Hall is going to come out for blood after Creighton game and last game of the year at Marquette is going to be really tough. So if you want to give St. John's another loss where does it come that it goes unforgiven? Against Nova or Creighton and it says St. John's can't beat anyone noteworthy and if it goes against anyone else you're losing to a bottom feeder.

"I have been saying it all along "

 ^ you started posting 2 weeks ago...  Lol

It is mildly entertaining.

Quote from: Marillac on February 05, 2014, 02:01:11 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 05, 2014, 09:50:51 AM

Margin of error doesn't exist. They need to be perfect

Completely false.  They can lose one and still finish 11-7 in the third highest leage in the RPI.  People need to stop looking at our win total in a vaccum.  We don't play in the AAC, where you get ten freebies against teams with RPIs 147 and lower (we are 9-0 against teams with RPIs over 112).  In addition to the win total, the selection committee will look at the strenght of the conference (3rd it he country), recent success (they'd be on a complete tear at 20-22 wins), SOS (#33 in the country before Creighton, Xavier, Nova, Gtown), and RPI (a very solid 63 relative to the win total.  We jumped ten spots in the RPI with a win over Providence...what do you think will happen with a win over Creighton? Xavier? Gtown? Nova?  Running the table would put this team's RPI in the top 25.
There are no freebies in this Big East.  None.

AAC will have more teams in the tourney than Big East so not sure your point is valid. There is nothing on SJU's resume that gives them an edge to say they deserve to be in and there is a lot more that says they don't deserve it (losses to DePaul, Penn State).

Also Seton Hall is going to come out for blood after Creighton game and last game of the year at Marquette is going to be really tough. So if you want to give St. John's another loss where does it come that it goes unforgiven? Against Nova or Creighton and it says St. John's can't beat anyone noteworthy and if it goes against anyone else you're losing to a bottom feeder.

Marillac's analogy with the AAC is simply not valid.  All the great conferences have bottom feeders.  Again the fact that the BE does not have as many is a product of having fewer teams and a lot of middling/mediocre teams.  Again go back and look at the recent BE years when they had 8,9 even 11 teams.  You had some dreadful teams: DePaul, South Florida, Rutgers etc.  That did not make it any less competitive for the Louisville's and Syracuse's of the world.  They still got Tourney bids and got great seeds.  By definition you are saying the BE conference now is BETTER then in years past because of a lack of bottom feeders and that is not true by any stretch. 

And I don't care what the RPI says NOBODY believes the Big East is the 3rd best conference in America. 

Joe Lunardi thinks the A-10 is stronger in the middle then the Big East.

Having said that I think SJU could probably afford 1 more loss.  21-10, 11-7 with wins over PC, Creighton, Xavier, Marquette  twice or perhaps Marquette once and a road win at Nova...That is pretty good.  We'll see.

Quote from: Marillac on February 05, 2014, 02:01:11 PM

Quote from: Dave on February 05, 2014, 09:50:51 AM

Margin of error doesn't exist. They need to be perfect

Completely false.  They can lose one and still finish 11-7 in the third highest leage in the RPI.  People need to stop looking at our win total in a vaccum.  We don't play in the AAC, where you get ten freebies against teams with RPIs 147 and lower (we are 9-0 against teams with RPIs over 112).  In addition to the win total, the selection committee will look at the strenght of the conference (3rd it he country), recent success (they'd be on a complete tear at 20-22 wins), SOS (#33 in the country before Creighton, Xavier, Nova, Gtown), and RPI (a very solid 63 relative to the win total.  We jumped ten spots in the RPI with a win over Providence...what do you think will happen with a win over Creighton? Xavier? Gtown? Nova?  Running the table would put this team's RPI in the top 25.
There are no freebies in this Big East.  None.

AAC will have more teams in the tourney than Big East so not sure your point is valid. There is nothing on SJU's resume that gives them an edge to say they deserve to be in and there is a lot more that says they don't deserve it (losses to DePaul, Penn State).

Also Seton Hall is going to come out for blood after Creighton game and last game of the year at Marquette is going to be really tough. So if you want to give St. John's another loss where does it come that it goes unforgiven? Against Nova or Creighton and it says St. John's can't beat anyone noteworthy and if it goes against anyone else you're losing to a bottom feeder.

The picture changes every week.  Two weeks ago this team had an outside chance at the NIT.  Their chances are also linked with how other teams perform.  Some teams that are now locks will stumble and drop out. 

They seem to be on the same path as the Giants climbing back to meaningful games only to fail to get over the hump.  I don't like the Seton Hall game.  This group tends to let down.  SHU at home will be tough. 

If we finish 10-8 in league play I think we would need to make the Big East Tournament championship game in order to give ourself a shot.  If we can finish 11-7 i think we can get in with 1 or 2 wins in big east tourny. 

I disagree with Dave though that we have no quality wins.  If Providence ends up making the tournament then winning @Providence would go down as a quality win in my book.

21-10 IS IN.  Conference is still relatively strong top to bottom.  Team has to go on a streak but, the way they are playing, this should be probable. 

Kentucky coming off a national championship season, beat Ole Miss #12 on the road & Florida #11 didn't get in with 21 wins last year.

Other notable 21+ win teams last year who didn't get in.....

Virginia, UMass, Iowa, Maryland, BYU, Denver

I'm not trying to be debbie downer but realistically this team needs to win the BET.

Kentucky coming off a national championship season, beat Ole Miss #12 on the road & Florida #11 didn't get in with 21 wins last year.

Other notable 21+ win teams last year who didn't get in.....

Virginia, UMass, Iowa, Maryland, BYU, Denver

I'm not trying to be debbie downer but realistically this team needs to win the BET.

Point taken, but don't you think if we go all the way through, lose one more game in BE play and maybe get to the BET final (or even one game before) we would have a pretty legit shot? I mean it's been said before that the Selection Committee likes to pick teams that are on a roll. If my numbers are right we would be something like 14-3 at that point over the last 17 games...Any team that hot and having a couple legit wins seems like a good team to have in the Dance.

Quote from: Dave on February 06, 2014, 12:17:17 AM

Kentucky coming off a national championship season, beat Ole Miss #12 on the road & Florida #11 didn't get in with 21 wins last year.

Other notable 21+ win teams last year who didn't get in.....

Virginia, UMass, Iowa, Maryland, BYU, Denver

I'm not trying to be debbie downer but realistically this team needs to win the BET.

Point taken, but don't you think if we go all the way through, lose one more game in BE play and maybe get to the BET final (or even one game before) we would have a pretty legit shot? I mean it's been said before that the Selection Committee likes to pick teams that are on a roll. If my numbers are right we would be something like 14-3 at that point over the last 17 games...Any team that hot and having a couple legit wins seems like a good team to have in the Dance.

It is certainly possible but I just don't see this team going on that type of run. St. John's can play really really well and still lose 2-3 of their remaining games.

Creighton and Villanova are two tough games, this group has never even came close to beating Georgetown, Seton Hall wants revenge in the worst way, Xavier is no lay up, and at Marquette last game of the year after Buzz makes adjustments after they got their butts whooped is uphill.

So I'm leaving Butler and DePaul as the two guarantees left on the schedule.

Quote from: survivedc on February 06, 2014, 01:36:16 AM

Quote from: Dave on February 06, 2014, 12:17:17 AM

Kentucky coming off a national championship season, beat Ole Miss #12 on the road & Florida #11 didn't get in with 21 wins last year.

Other notable 21+ win teams last year who didn't get in.....

Virginia, UMass, Iowa, Maryland, BYU, Denver

I'm not trying to be debbie downer but realistically this team needs to win the BET.

Point taken, but don't you think if we go all the way through, lose one more game in BE play and maybe get to the BET final (or even one game before) we would have a pretty legit shot? I mean it's been said before that the Selection Committee likes to pick teams that are on a roll. If my numbers are right we would be something like 14-3 at that point over the last 17 games...Any team that hot and having a couple legit wins seems like a good team to have in the Dance.

It is certainly possible but I just don't see this team going on that type of run. St. John's can play really really well and still lose 2-3 of their remaining games.

Creighton and Villanova are two tough games, this group has never even came close to beating Georgetown, Seton Hall wants revenge in the worst way, Xavier is no lay up, and at Marquette last game of the year after Buzz makes adjustments after they got their butts whooped is uphill.

So I'm leaving Butler and DePaul as the two guarantees left on the schedule.

I'm not sure everybody realizes just how difficult it is for a team to win 7 out of 8 in a competitive league like this. We are not a team that can pull out an ugly win in a game where we don't shoot well. I think 6-2 is our absolute ceiling over these last 8 games. We just need to hope we peak March 13-15