Lavin's legacy

Just for argument sake lets say this is his last season. If the team makes the tourney this season and then he leaves he would have to be considered a success while he was here. 2 tourney's and two NIT's in 5 years is almost "Louish". big season for him as if they make the tourney he replaces Jarvis as the most successful SJU coach Post Louie.

When he was hired I would've signed up for 2 tournament appearances in 5 years. His first class set the bar high though so I would say he has disappointed in what he has done since that class he recruited but overall he has done a reasonable job if he makes the tournament this year.

Legacy is the same as HEAD COACH Mahoney.  Not him as an Assistant.  Not talking about coaching skills obviously.  Mahoney could X & O with the best of them and this clown is clueless. 

His actual game coaching is worse than we had heard, but based soley on his record, if he makes the tourney thgis year, it would have to be considered a pretty succesful tenure. It really doesn't feel that way, but it is.

When he was hired I would've signed up for 2 tournament appearances in 5 years. His first class set the bar high though so I would say he has disappointed in what he has done since that class he recruited but overall he has done a reasonable job if he makes the tournament this year.

I have said this before.. People tend to give the guy a harder time because he recruited well.  I think a success over his first 5 years would be 2 ncaa appearances and a win or two in the tourney.  However, I think success is also putting the team in a position to make the tourney every other year from years 6-10, and at least one elite 8 or a couple of sweet sixteens (roughly),  I don't know if he deserves an extension for being a success in years 1-5, if it looks like he has no chance of being a success in years 6-10.  I really want to let this season play out, see how this team does and what next years team looks like before judging the guy.

Legacy implies something positive.  He recruited OK when he could get and keep the kids in school but did nothing with them.  His only good year was when he was sick and Dunlap coached Robert's guys

Just to be clear, those were two different years....

Legacy is the same as HEAD COACH Mahoney.  Not him as an Assistant.  Not talking about coaching skills obviously.  Mahoney could X & O with the best of them and this clown is clueless. 

What X & O did Mahoney bring to the table? He started Brown, Lopez, Lyson, Minlend and Z. They stood around on offense until Felipe tried to take all 5 opposing players off the dribble.  Mahoney was a pretty good recruiter, but he had no idea how to coach. He was as bad as Norm. Maybe worse.

As far as legacy goes, Lavin's legacy, if there is one is that he brought the team back into the spotlight. I don't think all the blame falls on him. The fans are disinterred pieces of garbage. We played the biggest game of the year against Xavier in front of an empty crowd at MSG last year. And why didn't people show up? Because it was a Tuesday. Think they'd say that in Pittsburgh?

The fans are disinterred

The Dead Storm.

And why didn't people show up? Because it was a Tuesday. 

No, we didn't show up because we haven't won an Ncaa tournament game in this millenium.

 If he makes the tourney this year ( FTR, I don't don't they will)  I would say it's been a marginal success... 

Zero NCAA wins? No real BE tourney runs... ( Beating Rutgers on a bad call doesn't count)... When I think success, I think something a bit more substantial..  You know, like something in 5 years to have actually been excited about?

If he makes the tourney this year ( FTR, I don't don't they will)  I would say it's been a marginal success... 

Zero NCAA wins? No real BE tourney runs... ( Beating Rutgers on a bad call doesn't count)... When I think success, I think something a bit more substantial..  You know, like something in 5 years to have actually been excited about?

Outside of a few nice wins over the last 3 years (and I mean a few), the only really special moments of Lavin's tenure came, IMO, during his first year with Norm's seniors.  Even if he makes the tourney this year, he's left us with nothing for the future.   Not my idea of a good legacy.

other than that first season, the most excitement has been form when high ranked kids commit.

That hasn't happened since Rysheed, so It's been pretty brutal as of late.

Remember, everything is relative. After Louie we have had:

Mahoney-
THE GOOD-One tourney win, David Cain, best recruting class ever
THE BAD-Ruined Lopez legacy, Norm type bad coaching after the 1st year. Terrible records with good talent.

Fran-
THE GOOD-One tourney appearance, Artest, good recruiting, erased the Mahoney stink
THE BAD-Evidently a nut job

Jarvis-
THE GOOD-ELITE 8, The most enjoyable team to watch since I have been a fan, Hatten, 3 tourney teams, won NIT championship, most succesful on court coach since Louie
THE BAD-Players beating up swimmers, obnoxious attitude, lazy recruiting, paying scrubs, Anoying Boston accent is very disconcerting when spoken by a black guy. Is that just me?

Norm-
THE GOOD- 1 NIT, Recruited Larry Wright, no one beat up swimmers got paid or ran trains on skanks in Pittsburgh
THE BAD-Ran Larry Wright out of town, ruined Justin Burrell, Awful offense, blowouts, That Maryland Game on ESPN, Geno, Geno, Mase jr, Avery Patterson, bad recruiting, "give the other team credit", Geno. No NCAA tourney appearances, Geno

When compared to the above, if we make tourney this year, you would have to call Lavin's tenure to date a success.

Remember, everything is relative. After Louie we have had:

Mahoney-
THE GOOD-One tourney win, David Cain, best recruting class ever
THE BAD-Ruined Lopez legacy, Norm type bad coaching after the 1st year. Terrible records with good talent.

Fran-
THE GOOD-One tourney appearance, Artest, good recruiting, erased the Mahoney stink
THE BAD-Evidently a nut job

Jarvis-
THE GOOD-ELITE 8, The most enjoyable team to watch since I have been a fan, Hatten, 3 tourney teams, won NIT championship, most succesful on court coach since Louie
THE BAD-Players beating up swimmers, obnoxious attitude, lazy recruiting, paying scrubs, Anoying Boston accent is very disconcerting when spoken by a black guy. Is that just me?

Norm-
THE GOOD- 1 NIT, Recruited Larry Wright, no one beat up swimmers got paid or ran trains on skanks in Pittsburgh
THE BAD-Ran Larry Wright out of town, ruined Justin Burrell, Awful offense, blowouts, That Maryland Game on ESPN, Geno, Geno, Mase jr, Avery Patterson, bad recruiting, "give the other team credit", Geno. No NCAA tourney appearances, Geno

When compared to the above, if we make tourney this year, you would have to call Lavin's tenure to date a success.

Wow, I had almost forgotten that game against Maryland. One of the worst ive seen. That and Marquette in the BE tourney.  Oh yea and the time duke lead 45-10 at half time, I was lucky enough to be there for that one. Guess there is more then I thought.

Quote from: we are sju on November 17, 2014, 02:39:52 PM

Remember, everything is relative. After Louie we have had:

Mahoney-
THE GOOD-One tourney win, David Cain, best recruting class ever
THE BAD-Ruined Lopez legacy, Norm type bad coaching after the 1st year. Terrible records with good talent.

Fran-
THE GOOD-One tourney appearance, Artest, good recruiting, erased the Mahoney stink
THE BAD-Evidently a nut job

Jarvis-
THE GOOD-ELITE 8, The most enjoyable team to watch since I have been a fan, Hatten, 3 tourney teams, won NIT championship, most succesful on court coach since Louie
THE BAD-Players beating up swimmers, obnoxious attitude, lazy recruiting, paying scrubs, Anoying Boston accent is very disconcerting when spoken by a black guy. Is that just me?

Norm-
THE GOOD- 1 NIT, Recruited Larry Wright, no one beat up swimmers got paid or ran trains on skanks in Pittsburgh
THE BAD-Ran Larry Wright out of town, ruined Justin Burrell, Awful offense, blowouts, That Maryland Game on ESPN, Geno, Geno, Mase jr, Avery Patterson, bad recruiting, "give the other team credit", Geno. No NCAA tourney appearances, Geno

When compared to the above, if we make tourney this year, you would have to call Lavin's tenure to date a success.

Wow, I had almost forgotten that game against Maryland. One of the worst ive seen. That and Marquette in the BE tourney.  Oh yea and the time duke lead 45-10 at half time, I was lucky enough to be there for that one. Guess there is more then I thought.

There was Gtown game that HTGS brought me to where I was sitting in 1st row and we lost 100 to 12 I think.

He is getting paid 2M a year. If we make the tourney and we get bounced the first round ,I don't consider it a success. By SJBB standards[last 15 years} it could be considered a success.

"we are sju" sumed it up. Compared to the others,he looks good.

What if he doesn't get bounced In the first round ? What if we win the big east . We didn't get briscoe but their are other players. I hope he earns himself an extension not because I love the guy but I want to win.

What if he doesn't get bounced In the first round ? What if we win the big east . We didn't get briscoe but their are other players. I hope he earns himself an extension not because I love the guy but I want to win.

Agree and his personality and or ego guys pretty well in this city. It's only annoying now because SJU has been struggling but if he wins a few in the tournament it will be Lavinwood again.
It's amazing how the view of Steinbrenner has changed over the decades. The fans cheered in the early 90s when he was banned from baseball for a second time and then after 5WS in the late 90s and the last one in 09 he is almost a saint....All the bad memories fade away and his temper tantrums were thought as war anthems for a an owner that cared too much. lol of its great because he part of Yankee and NYC lore now.

If Lavin can get his act together his corny philosophies on life will be remembered as lovable Louie's sweaters....                      C

If Jarvis didn't leave in disgrace SJU wod have boasted that Uncle Phil took us to the elite 8.