Syracuse Game Discussion

Desco, if you're throwing up today, it's because you drank too much at your brother's wedding.

It's time to start the contract extension argument.  It would really help recruiting.  The team and guys individually have really gotten better.  Just look.

Alright, I'm not getting into this whole oh give him an extension, oh don't give him an extension crap.
Only thing I'll say is one win (although a huge one.), doesn't warrant an extension, just like one bad loss won't warrant him being fired the next day.
Lets just wait.

The team is 6-1.  It's not one win.

The team is 6-1. It's not one win.

Okay, it's sort of two wins if you want to count Minnesota. 

Poison and mullin berry, what do u expect from rest of season?

The team is 6-1. It's not one win.

Ok, I'll bite.    It's true hnk, the team is 6-1.   I dont think anyone expected us to beat both Gonzaga and Syracuse, so this is about as good of a start as anyone could've predicted.
But, the coach is judged by more than just these seven games.  His sample also includes his performance last season, and the type of success he's having on the recruiting trails.   Those two criteria more than off-set the 6-1 start in my mind.  Which is why I think, at best, you can say he deserves more time before anyone makes a decision to fire/extend.   

I think what simplyred said is a valid point.  And normally I would have no problem giving the coach an extension (with a buyout) so that he can recruit with more stability.  But I worry that the school would be hamstrung by even a small buyout, and that would tie their hands and force them to keep the coach regardless of performance.   

Desco- how do think we do this season ?
I think we challenge for the big east. Make the tournament with seed of 5 or better. And I think we have a good recruiting class for next year . As good as both jordan and obekpa have been this year- they are no where close to playing in the NBA. Hoping they make a reasonable decision and come back

Quote from: hnk on December 07, 2014, 04:36:33 PM

The team is 6-1. It's not one win.

Okay, it's sort of two wins if you want to count Minnesota.

Why wouldn't we count Minnesota?

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

I'm going to call nonsense on this idea. Look I really like Lavin personally and god knows his 1st season here to me was a borderline miracle. 2nd year he gets a pass. Last year flat out sucked from an underperformance level. We should have been much better. and recruiting last year when you factor in Thomas not being here now is completely unacceptable and so far for next year it's the same thing.
There is nothing more I would love than to have Lavin be the face of this program for the next 10 years but he is going to have earn it and 6-1 isn't there yet. If he wants an extension with low buyout because he is confident he will recruit and get the program going forward then I'm all for it. If he wants a big contract and locked in for the next 6 or 7 years then I'm going to wish him nothing but the best and say lets see how this season and recruiting goes

Just saw news highlights of game and they confirmed what I thought I saw at the end of the game as Classless Boeheim virtually ignored Lavin at end of game--he said nothing, just stuck his hand out but did not even look a Lavin. This despite their shared prostate cancer and this game being played during Coaches vs. Cancer week. He always was a crying Richard Head. Excuse can't lose enough for me.

You shouldnt be surprised...he (and Thompson Jr) do it all the time...

Just saw news highlights of game and they confirmed what I thought I saw at the end of the game as Classless Boeheim virtually ignored Lavin at end of game--he said nothing, just stuck his hand out but did not even look a Lavin. This despite their shared prostate cancer and this game being played during Coaches vs. Cancer week. He always was a crying Richard Head. Excuse can't lose enough for me.

You shouldnt be surprised (and I am sure youre not)...he (and Thompson Jr) do it all the time...

Poison and mullin berry, what do u expect from rest of season?

Only thing I want is for them to make the NCAA tournament and make some noise, maybe make it to the second week
One and done isn't good enough.

Quote from: hnk on December 07, 2014, 12:45:49 PM

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

I'm going to call nonsense on this idea. Look I really like Lavin personally and god knows his 1st season here to me was a borderline miracle. 2nd year he gets a pass. Last year flat out sucked from an underperformance level. We should have been much better. and recruiting last year when you factor in Thomas not being here now is completely unacceptable and so far for next year it's the same thing.
There is nothing more I would love than to have Lavin be the face of this program for the next 10 years but he is going to have earn it and 6-1 isn't there yet. If he wants an extension with low buyout because he is confident he will recruit and get the program going forward then I'm all for it. If he wants a big contract and locked in for the next 6 or 7 years then I'm going to wish him nothing but the best and say lets see how this season and recruiting goes

+1,000

The question now becomes, do I stop watching games all-together?

No.  Just don't watch them on Tv.  Come out to the games.  We're desperate for fan support.

Quote from: hnk on December 07, 2014, 12:45:49 PM

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

I'm going to call nonsense on this idea. Look I really like Lavin personally and god knows his 1st season here to me was a borderline miracle. 2nd year he gets a pass. Last year flat out sucked from an underperformance level. We should have been much better. and recruiting last year when you factor in Thomas not being here now is completely unacceptable and so far for next year it's the same thing. There is nothing more I would love than to have Lavin be the face of this program for the next 10 years but he is going to have earn it and 6-1 isn't there yet. If he wants an extension with low buyout because he is confident he will recruit and get the program going forward then I'm all for it. If he wants a big contract and locked in for the next 6 or 7 years then I'm going to wish him nothing but the best and say lets see how this season and recruiting goes

If you were going to negotiate a contract for yourself would you do what you are asking him to do? I don't think so. The season should be nice, but recruiting will take a hit with a sitting duck as a coach. 

Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard, Phil Greene the non point guard is now my favorite player Carmine is now allowed to go to town. Great game

Dear Wasju,

I am very pleased that you finally have seen the light and that the Triangle is your new Bffl.

But to downplay your 3+ year long role as President of the Phil Greene haters club with a line such as "Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard", is disingenuous and just plain wrong.

You have been hammering this kid with rancor on these boards from the get go.  Much the same as you did unmercifully to Eugene Lawrence for 4 years and to Avery Patterson ( who once in eerily similar fashion to Phil single handidly shot us to the ever rare Syracuse victory ) during his all too brief stay here. Come to think of it, the only Johnny player I've ever liked that you didn't attack frequently was Paris Horne. 

- Just the other day in describing Hollywood's shortcomings you simply listed "Phil Greene"
- You coined the Phrase - "Circle" 
- You once posted that Phil Greene "should never take another three as long as he lives".  Now how would that have worked out for us?
- Etcetera...Etcetera...Etcetera

Man's ability to change and learn new behaviors are among his more endearing qualities. I welcome you, and others just like you, with open arms to the Phil Greene IV fan club.  Perhaps at last we'll have a minyan.

Your friend,
CA

Quote from: we are sju on December 06, 2014, 07:45:57 PM

Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard, Phil Greene the non point guard is now my favorite player Carmine is now allowed to go to town. Great game

Dear Wasju, I am very pleased that you finally have seen the light and that the Triangle is your new Bffl. But to downplay your 3+ year long role as President of the Phil Greene haters club with a line such as "Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard", is disingenuous and just plain wrong. You have been hammering this kid with rancor on these boards from the get go. Much the same as you did unmercifully to Eugene Lawrence for 4 years and to Avery Patterson ( who just like Phil once single-handidly shot us to the ever rare Syracuse victory ) during his all too brief stay here. Come to think of it, the only Johnny player I've ever liked that you didn't attack frequently was Paris Horne. - Just the other day in describing Hollywood's shortcomings you simply listed "Phil Greene" - You coined the Phrase - "Circle" - You once posted that Phil Greene "should never take another three as long as he lives". Now how would that have worked out for us? - Etcetera...Etcetera...Etcetera Man's ability to change and learn new behaviors are among his more endearing qualities. I welcome you, and others just like you, with open arms to the Phil Greene IV fan club. Perhaps at last we'll have a minyan. Your friend, CA

Carmine, I'm with you in terms of love for Phil but I am very disappointed that you throw Avery Patterson into the mix.  Phil has the heart of a lion.  Avery...not so much!

Quote from: mjmaherjr on December 07, 2014, 05:44:42 PM

Quote from: hnk on December 07, 2014, 12:45:49 PM

It's time to start the contract extension argument. It would really help recruiting. The team and guys individually have really gotten better. Just look.

I'm going to call nonsense on this idea. Look I really like Lavin personally and god knows his 1st season here to me was a borderline miracle. 2nd year he gets a pass. Last year flat out sucked from an underperformance level. We should have been much better. and recruiting last year when you factor in Thomas not being here now is completely unacceptable and so far for next year it's the same thing. There is nothing more I would love than to have Lavin be the face of this program for the next 10 years but he is going to have earn it and 6-1 isn't there yet. If he wants an extension with low buyout because he is confident he will recruit and get the program going forward then I'm all for it. If he wants a big contract and locked in for the next 6 or 7 years then I'm going to wish him nothing but the best and say lets see how this season and recruiting goes

If you were going to negotiate a contract for yourself would you do what you are asking him to do? I don't think so. The season should be nice, but recruiting will take a hit with a sitting duck as a coach.

Actually I would and have done it. I've taken on new clients and lowered my fee for the first year to bring them on board knowing that if they weren't happy after the 1st year then they could walk away.
I do it because I believe in myself. Sometimes it works and sometimes it didn't pan out after a year ( 2000-2002 ) and 2008. I don't do it with everyone but for a big potential client I'll do it

If Coach is convinced he can land big recruits with an extension then agree to extension that pays him very well with low buyout that would gradually increase based on results on the court or with recruiting targets

 

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on December 07, 2014, 10:59:33 PM

Quote from: we are sju on December 06, 2014, 07:45:57 PM

Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard, Phil Greene the non point guard is now my favorite player Carmine is now allowed to go to town. Great game

Dear Wasju, I am very pleased that you finally have seen the light and that the Triangle is your new Bffl. But to downplay your 3+ year long role as President of the Phil Greene haters club with a line such as "Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard", is disingenuous and just plain wrong. You have been hammering this kid with rancor on these boards from the get go. Much the same as you did unmercifully to Eugene Lawrence for 4 years and to Avery Patterson ( who just like Phil once single-handidly shot us to the ever rare Syracuse victory ) during his all too brief stay here. Come to think of it, the only Johnny player I've ever liked that you didn't attack frequently was Paris Horne. - Just the other day in describing Hollywood's shortcomings you simply listed "Phil Greene" - You coined the Phrase - "Circle" - You once posted that Phil Greene "should never take another three as long as he lives". Now how would that have worked out for us? - Etcetera...Etcetera...Etcetera Man's ability to change and learn new behaviors are among his more endearing qualities. I welcome you, and others just like you, with open arms to the Phil Greene IV fan club. Perhaps at last we'll have a minyan. Your friend, CA

Carmine, I'm with you in terms of love for Phil but I am very disappointed that you throw Avery Patterson into the mix. Phil has the heart of a lion. Avery...not so much!

I can't explain the players I like any better than I can explain the women I've loved.  The heart wants what it want!

Quote from: we are sju on December 06, 2014, 07:45:57 PM

Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard, Phil Greene the non point guard is now my favorite player Carmine is now allowed to go to town. Great game

Dear Wasju, I am very pleased that you finally have seen the light and that the Triangle is your new Bffl. But to downplay your 3+ year long role as President of the Phil Greene haters club with a line such as "Honestly I just never liked Phil Greene the point guard", is disingenuous and just plain wrong. You have been hammering this kid with rancor on these boards from the get go. Much the same as you did unmercifully to Eugene Lawrence for 4 years and to Avery Patterson ( who once in eerily similar fashion to Phil single handidly shot us to the ever rare Syracuse victory ) during his all too brief stay here. Come to think of it, the only Johnny player I've ever liked that you didn't attack frequently was Paris Horne. - Just the other day in describing Hollywood's shortcomings you simply listed "Phil Greene" - You coined the Phrase - "Circle" - You once posted that Phil Greene "should never take another three as long as he lives". Now how would that have worked out for us? - Etcetera...Etcetera...Etcetera Man's ability to change and learn new behaviors are among his more endearing qualities. I welcome you, and others just like you, with open arms to the Phil Greene IV fan club. Perhaps at last we'll have a minyan. Your friend, CA

Carmine
Kid played great and beat Syracuse down the stretch by himself so I am not going to defend myself by rehashing his struggles in the past. I thought he was playing well even before last game and in fact since you seem to have memorized my previous posts, I am sure that you saw in the midst of the recent Branch should start hoopla, I have continuously said I think Phil should start. Hey I was one of those guys groaning every time David Cain came into a game his first three seasons and his senior seasons was one of my favorites  so there is precedent for me to bandwagon jump.
BTW did you really memorize all my posts or do you like print them out and hang them on your wall or something? Either way Phil played great and as I said you should have at it, so congratulations.