Phil Greene since Syracuse

Field Goals made/attempts in last 7 games;

Syracuse 6/16
FDU 7/15
Fordham 3/12
St. Mary's 1/9
LBSU 7/18
Tulane 3/8
SH 6/16

Total - 33/94 or 35%
Striking - the number of attempts is ridiculously high for a marginal player & % speaks for itself. Additionally he does not drive well, get assists or defend that well. Yes he gets some steals, has hit some meaningful threes, but based on the above should he play or shoot less? Just asking.

Branch should be more selfish and take some of the shots that Phil normally takes.

Shot selection by everyone but Harrison was poor tonight.  Jordan leads the charge as usual, but Phil is right there with him.  I'm a big PGIV fan, but the kid needs to clean up his attempts and understand where he is most effective.  He is awesome on inside-out attempts...he's good when he gets his step-back in rhythm, but he is terrible pulling up for jumpers and shooting off any type of movement besides his step-back.

His teammates can do more to get him better looks and he needs to pass up on others.

Good things happen when Branch gets into the lane, but he has been more comfortable running the offense osssuvek you, and only penetrating occasionally. More David Cain. Less Tarik Turner. 

Lavin has like 90 guys on his bench.  I'd love to see him get a few to go over tape and compile stats for various attempts for our guards.  Then they can shout it out at practice...e.g., yelling "15%!" to Jordan when he tries to shoot without his feet set.  Shaka Smart quantifies everything and uses GAs (I think he has like 10) to get it done.

Not phils fault. If Sampson was still here we win, if Sanchez was still here we win, if jordan plays like he is capable we win. Phil is a good player who constantly being put into positions that he can't handle. They were daring Pointer and branch to shoot. 
If jordan doesn't pick it up this is going to be the norm. 

Not phils fault. If Sampson was still here we win, if Sanchez was still here we win, if jordan plays like he is capable we win. Phil is a good player who constantly being put into positions that he can't handle. They were daring Pointer and branch to shoot. If jordan doesn't pick it up this is going to be the norm.

And who is it that is putting Phil into such positions?

Phil had a bad game.  So did every other player not named Harrington or Aggie.   At least he was able to salvage his afternoon by shooting 3 of 7 (43%) from three compared to the rest of the team and their combined 2 of 13 (15%).   He shot a better percentage from the field than two other starters and didn't shoot 50% from the line as Savior did.

Same as we won all those other games as a team...we lost this game as a team.  Calling Triangle out following our first loss to a non top 10 team, is disingenuous.

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 01, 2015, 12:35:26 AM

Not phils fault. If Sampson was still here we win, if Sanchez was still here we win, if jordan plays like he is capable we win. Phil is a good player who constantly being put into positions that he can't handle. They were daring Pointer and branch to shoot. If jordan doesn't pick it up this is going to be the norm.

And who is it that is putting Phil into such positions?

Is there better options on the roster? The reality is, Phil is our best perimeter player other than Harrison. When you look at it that way, I think coach is doing a great job with the team.

Phil had a bad game. So did every other player not named Harrington or Aggie. At least he was able to salvage his afternoon by shooting 3 of 7 (43%) from three compared to the rest of the team and their combined 2 of 13 (15%). He shot a better percentage from the field than two other starters and didn't shoot 50% from the line as Savior did. Same as we won all those other games as a team...we lost this game as a team. Calling Triangle out following our first loss to a non top 10 team, is disingenuous.

The stats noted had nothing to do with one game. It was a critique of his last seven games. Be objective. Phil is taking far too many bad shots period. This is a coaching issue. Get him to know his limitations. Stand still shooter yes, volume scorer no. Complementary role yes, main man, no. I can live with his minutes, but not with his shot selection.

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 01, 2015, 12:39:49 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 01, 2015, 12:35:26 AM

Not phils fault. If Sampson was still here we win, if Sanchez was still here we win, if jordan plays like he is capable we win. Phil is a good player who constantly being put into positions that he can't handle. They were daring Pointer and branch to shoot. If jordan doesn't pick it up this is going to be the norm.

And who is it that is putting Phil into such positions?

Is there better options on the roster? The reality is, Phil is our best perimeter player other than Harrison. When you look at it that way, I think coach is doing a great job with the team.

Lavin is responsible for who is on the roster, he did a poor job of finding adequate depth.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 01, 2015, 01:15:02 AM

Phil had a bad game. So did every other player not named Harrington or Aggie. At least he was able to salvage his afternoon by shooting 3 of 7 (43%) from three compared to the rest of the team and their combined 2 of 13 (15%). He shot a better percentage from the field than two other starters and didn't shoot 50% from the line as Savior did. Same as we won all those other games as a team...we lost this game as a team. Calling Triangle out following our first loss to a non top 10 team, is disingenuous.

The stats noted had nothing to do with one game. It was a critique of his last seven games. Be objective. Phil is taking far too many bad shots period. This is a coaching issue. Get him to know his limitations. Stand still shooter yes, volume scorer no. Complementary role yes, main man, no. I can live with his minutes, but not with his shot selection.

Great post. It would be one thing if Phil constantly grabbed a few boards and dished a few assists. Way to many empty minutes. 

Quote from: SJUFAN on January 01, 2015, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on January 01, 2015, 12:39:49 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 01, 2015, 12:35:26 AM

Not phils fault. If Sampson was still here we win, if Sanchez was still here we win, if jordan plays like he is capable we win. Phil is a good player who constantly being put into positions that he can't handle. They were daring Pointer and branch to shoot. If jordan doesn't pick it up this is going to be the norm.

And who is it that is putting Phil into such positions?

Is there better options on the roster? The reality is, Phil is our best perimeter player other than Harrison. When you look at it that way, I think coach is doing a great job with the team.

Lavin is responsible for who is on the roster, he did a poor job of finding adequate depth.

5 star player not getting it done. If he plays well or even decent yesterday and in previous games we are not having this discussion. Coach did a very good job putting this roster together. We were ranked 15!  4 /5 star scoring guards don't grow on trees. 

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 01, 2015, 01:15:02 AM

Phil had a bad game. So did every other player not named Harrington or Aggie. At least he was able to salvage his afternoon by shooting 3 of 7 (43%) from three compared to the rest of the team and their combined 2 of 13 (15%). He shot a better percentage from the field than two other starters and didn't shoot 50% from the line as Savior did. Same as we won all those other games as a team...we lost this game as a team. Calling Triangle out following our first loss to a non top 10 team, is disingenuous.

The stats noted had nothing to do with one game. It was a critique of his last seven games. Be objective. Phil is taking far too many bad shots period. This is a coaching issue. Get him to know his limitations. Stand still shooter yes, volume scorer no. Complementary role yes, main man, no. I can live with his minutes, but not with his shot selection.

He has had some awful shooting performances this year and in the past.  He also has had his share of big moments for us.  Agree that yesterday he exhibited questionable shot selection at times.  That is an aberration more than the norm.  This team cries out for a scoring Robin to 3'los Batman and I don't think it's going to be one players clearly defined role.  It's got to be a rotation or by committee.

Square is showing a new found senior's willingness to play fearlessly; take big threes late in crucial spots; and to attempt to carry the scoring load when Harrington isn't doing it.  It needs to be encouraged and embraced for the good of the team.  I want him taking as many shots as possible and if he's missed 6 in a row, to have that scorer's mentality and confidence that the next one is going down.  So far I feel he has that.

Phil is not shooting an ideal percentage. But he is the only other guy besides Harrison who can shoot. We need him to take shots.

Phil is not shooting an ideal percentage. But he is the only other guy besides Harrison who can shoot. We need him to take shots.

Yes, the right shots. It is all about poor shot selection to date. 

Phil needs to take primarily set up jumpers or take it to the hoop.  His between game and quick stop and pop bring his percentages way down but you sometime need to take them.  Have never looked really closely but I intend to, he may be drifting on the 10-15 footers, a sure percentage killer.

No carmine, Phil has been what his percentages this season dictate he's been: a poor shooter.  Or taking bad shots.  But yes, his 3 minutes vs Cuse has overshadowed this.  He's been pretty poor all year.  It's more like his good games have been aberrations and flashes in the pan, not the other way around. 
His foot-on-the-line shots have been awful and those need to stop.  I certainly want him on the floor more than Felix and would rather have Phil at the 3 than Dom at the 3, but we need to stop being delusional about what Phil has shown to be. The staff should sit Phil after taking these off-balance long 2s off the bounce just like they bench Branch and Rysheed for mental lapses.  We need to get D'Lo to take more of the shots that Phil has been getting.

No carmine, Phil has been what his percentages this season dictate he's been: a poor shooter. Or taking bad shots. But yes, his 3 minutes vs Cuse has overshadowed this. He's been pretty poor all year. It's more like his good games have been aberrations and flashes in the pan, not the other way around. His foot-on-the-line shots have been awful and those need to stop. I certainly want him on the floor more than Felix and would rather have Phil at the 3 than Dom at the 3, but we need to stop being delusional about what Phil has shown to be. The staff should sit Phil after taking these off-balance long 2s off the bounce just like they bench Branch and Rysheed for mental lapses. We need to get D'Lo to take more of the shots that Phil has been getting.

4 minutes and 4 seconds against Syracuse! Not 3 minutes! He hit the first three of his historic barrage at the 4:08 mark and converted 2 free throws at the :04 second mark.

He had good games against Franklin Pierce, Fairleigh Dickinson, the second half of the LBI game, a huge rebound and 1 and 1 convert with 13 seconds left against St. Mary plus he was clearly the player of the game against aforementioned Syracuse as well as Gonzaga. If to you that's "pretty poor all year", than so be it.

I don't see how anybody could look at our roster and come to the conclusion that Mean Joe shouldn't be playing 30+ a night.  I really don't.  Neither does Hollywood.

I'm all for Harrington getting more shots...but I don't think Triangle taking less shots necessarily translates to significantly more shots for 3'lo.   

Phil is a good hand and a B+ player.

But I don't remember where but I saw a stat that Phil shoots like 75% from the right side of the floor and whenever I see him on the left side I freak out.