Butler Game 2

In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.

We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 

Quote from: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 10:10:30 PM

In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.

Tried to recruit over top of him? What do you mean

We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 

Quote from: Marillac on February 03, 2015, 10:44:53 PM

We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 

I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of  ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.

the issue that has plagued SJU has been there coaching, ever since Louie left there has been major or weird coaching issues. They have been discussed multiple times on this board. I disagree with lets just try to be a mid major team because as Lavin has shown is that quality players will come to SJU...Hell you can argue Norm brought in quality players and if DJ didn't blow out his knee who knows what could of happend.

The key is finding the right coach that fits the school and wants to be here...How the hell did the SJU WBB do it so successfully and they don't even at at MSG!! Except for his first year he has had some kind of coaching issue (I count recruiting as a coaching issues) and he has not been able raise this program above NIT level...Which is an accomplishment and sad...The key is SJU administration engagement and finding a Sid coach to right this ship. I would guess that the SJU President is pretty embarrassed about tonight and ever since he arrived last Summer on all the weird shanigans.

I wanted Lavin to be succesful and wanted his contract extended all the way up to the last couple of weeks....Hopefully he can salvage this season and leave on a high note, or maybe even earn that extension but I honestly just see this season getting worse.

I missed the game.  What happened?  I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game.  But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting  (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?

Quote from: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 11:12:26 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 03, 2015, 10:44:53 PM

We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 

I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of  ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all.  Butler made two national title games just a few years ago and had a starter from one of those teams start last season.  Their seniors came into an environment of guys who have won and know what it takes.

I said before the season Butler would be the most improved team in the country and would be a tournament team.  With Jones back, they have four (Jones, Dunham, Barlow, Woods) out of seven guys back from a rotation that came a shot away form the Sweet 16 two years ago.  He is the engine that makes them run.  They've also added a transfer from Indiana and their three highest ranked recruiting classes in the history of their program the last three years. 

They are tough to beat at Hinkle...10-1 this season.

Quote from: valgoth on February 03, 2015, 09:15:07 PM

start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "

Except Amar played awful all night.
Balamou and Amar will be our top options next year. Can't wait!

Bobby Hurley knows man to man defense. He's my choice to bring some basketball IQ and local
credibility back to St.John's. Get his dad to join us for two or three seasons as an assistant and we're golden.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 04, 2015, 01:30:41 AM

I missed the game.  What happened?  I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game.  But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting  (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?

Wasn't that close when he got throw