NCAA Tournament thread

And Nova is officially out.

I wonder if the BE can take Arcidiacono's POY award back? What shame he has brought to our conference.

Not totally surprised by this.  NC State has big time talent, and matched up with Nova better than a lot of the other higher seeds in that bracket.

That sucks, needed Nova to man up...

Ochekfu got owned all night

It's a good thing we never hired Jay Wright, or this shame would be ours to bear.

It's a good thing we never hired Jay Wright, or this shame would be ours to bear.

Nova has first world Big East issues...Were still trying to learn not to poop where we eat...

Georgetown in trouble as well.

Good bye Gtown

And Georgetown is about to go down. 

Props to Xavier, but let's be honest.  They caught a HUGE break when Georgia St stunned 3 seed Baylor.  Having to play a 14 as opposed to a 3 is a GIFT.

And just remember this when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

^^^But they both wear ties.

And just remember when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

I guess winning the BET doesn't count as post-season success

I've always said I take Lavin over JT 3

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:24:03 PM

And just remember when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

I guess winning the BET doesn't count as post-season success

No I never said that but what is your point.  And to that they have a combined 1 title in that span.

Here is the bottom line they are both great coaches and great programs but think about this since 2007 Georgetown has a been a 3 seed twice and a 2 seed twice.  Villanova since 2009 has a been a 2 seed twice and a 1 seed once.  So in essence both teams combined since their last Final Four appearances have 7 seasons where they were  1,2 or 3 seed.  Meaning legit Final Four contenders.  And none of those years have they even produced a Round of 16 appearance.  Not one.

Big East the #2 ranked conference?

My point is not to suggest anything other than it is very dangerous to judge conferences and individual teams and coaches soley on the success or failure in a 1 and done type of situation.

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 10:31:07 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:24:03 PM

And just remember when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

I guess winning the BET doesn't count as post-season success

No I never said that but what is your point.  And to that they have a combined 1 title in that span.

Here is the bottom line they are both great coaches and great programs but think about this since 2007 Georgetown has a been a 3 seed twice and a 2 seed twice.  Villanova since 2009 has a been a 2 seed twice and a 1 seed once.  So in essence both teams combined since their last Final Four appearances have 7 seasons where they were  1,2 or 3 seed.  Meaning legit Final Four contenders.  And none of those years have they even produced a Round of 16 appearance.  Not one.

Not sure what your point is. So because JT3 and Wright lose early the NCAA tournament does that mean Lavin shouldn't be held accountable for his lack of NCAA tourney success here? Do your comments relate to Lavin at all or are you just speaking in generalities?

Also, Coach K has been bounced early in the tournament several times the past few years after having really good regular seasons. So has Bill Self. So has Roy Williams. So has Bo Ryan. In one-game tournaments that stuff happens

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:35:55 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 10:31:07 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:24:03 PM

And just remember when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

I guess winning the BET doesn't count as post-season success

No I never said that but what is your point.  And to that they have a combined 1 title in that span.

Here is the bottom line they are both great coaches and great programs but think about this since 2007 Georgetown has a been a 3 seed twice and a 2 seed twice.  Villanova since 2009 has a been a 2 seed twice and a 1 seed once.  So in essence both teams combined since their last Final Four appearances have 7 seasons where they were  1,2 or 3 seed.  Meaning legit Final Four contenders.  And none of those years have they even produced a Round of 16 appearance.  Not one.

Not sure what your point is. So because JT3 and Wright lose early the NCAA tournament does that mean Lavin shouldn't be held accountable for his lack of NCAA tourney success here? Do your comments relate to Lavin at all or are you just speaking in generalities?

Also, Coach K has been bounced early in the tournament several times the past few years after having really good regular seasons. So has Bill Self. So has Roy Williams. So has Bo Ryan. In one-game tournaments that stuff happens

Exactly. Which is why people who want Lavin fired should not point to 2 first round exits. If you are saying 2 tourneys in 5 years is not good enough, I agree with you. But I'd also like to ask who could we bring in that would do better? I'm ok with letting Lavin continue pushing this program in a positive direction from where we were under Norm. But if we can't get to the point where we make the tourney at least every other season then I agree maybe it's time for a change

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 10:50:42 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:35:55 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 21, 2015, 10:31:07 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 21, 2015, 10:24:03 PM

And just remember when you start judging coaches soley on post-season success.

Since Villanova made the Final Four in 2009 Jay Wright has not gotten Nova to the second week yet.  Remember in 2010 they barely beat Mike Rice and Robert Morris as a 2 seed before being knocked out by St. Mary's.  Lost in the 8/9 to George Mason in 2011.  Failed to make it in 2012.  Lost in the 8/9 game to UNC in 2013, lost to UCONN as a 2 seed last year in the round of 32 and just lost as a 1 seed to NC St again in the round of 32.

And guess what, Georgetown is even "worse."  Since they made the Final Four in 2007 they have failed to make it to the round of 16 for the last 8 years.  Two times they were an NIT team, 2009 and 2014.  In 2008 as a 2 seed they lost in the Round of 32 to of course Seth Curry and Davidson.  2010 lost to Ohio as the 3 seed in the round of 64.  2011 lost again right off the bat as a 6 seed to 11 seed VCU.  2012 they got to round of 32 as a 3 losing to 11 seeded NC St.  2013 they were a 2 seed and lost right off the bat to 15 seed Florida Gulf Coast.  And now this year.

These are probably the 2 best programs not to mention the two best AND longest serving coaches in the BE and neither one as gotten to the second week in 6 and 8 years.  Think about that.

I guess winning the BET doesn't count as post-season success

No I never said that but what is your point.  And to that they have a combined 1 title in that span.

Here is the bottom line they are both great coaches and great programs but think about this since 2007 Georgetown has a been a 3 seed twice and a 2 seed twice.  Villanova since 2009 has a been a 2 seed twice and a 1 seed once.  So in essence both teams combined since their last Final Four appearances have 7 seasons where they were  1,2 or 3 seed.  Meaning legit Final Four contenders.  And none of those years have they even produced a Round of 16 appearance.  Not one.

Not sure what your point is. So because JT3 and Wright lose early the NCAA tournament does that mean Lavin shouldn't be held accountable for his lack of NCAA tourney success here? Do your comments relate to Lavin at all or are you just speaking in generalities?

Also, Coach K has been bounced early in the tournament several times the past few years after having really good regular seasons. So has Bill Self. So has Roy Williams. So has Bo Ryan. In one-game tournaments that stuff happens

Exactly. Which is why people who want Lavin fired should not point to 2 first round exits. If you are saying 2 tourneys in 5 years is not good enough, I agree with you. But I'd also like to ask who could we bring in that would do better? I'm ok with letting Lavin continue pushing this program in a positive direction from where we were under Norm. But if we can't get to the point where we make the tourney at least every other season then I agree maybe it's time for a change

Exactly.  I am not hear to defend Lavin at all cost.  He is big boy who makes good money he can take the criticism,

But I think a 2 year extension with the right buyout and the right incentives is fair after his first 5 years and then we'll see where SJU is in 2 years.