4. Ed Cooley- Close to Lavin in recruiting department but Lavin has been him in both recruiting and on court.
Not in the most important game of both team's season last year on our home court
Guess their record against one another.
On Court
2011-12: W 91-67
2012-13: L 62-59
2013-14: L 83-84 2OT, W 86-76, L 79-74
2014-15: W 83-70, W 75-76
Advantage +1
Recruiting
St. John's- JaKarr Sampson, Orlando Sanchez, Chris Obekpa
Providence-
Advantage +3
Thanks, Dave. I was awaiting go's response, and then I was gonna hit him with the very, same thing you just posted.
By the way, it was 75-66 in our second win against the Friars this season.
In these last 4 years (since Cooley got to Providence) Providence will have 1 more NCAA tourney appearance and Cooley has a BET championship already. Also, very very hard to argue that SJU is in a better position for success than PC going forward as it stands right now. Now Lavin can definitely tie him in BET championship category this season and could put SJU in a better position for success with a solid class here, but Providence has been far more successful than SJU over these past 4 years and its really not that close.
That wasn't your initial argument, but nice way to move the goal posts. Your argument was basically debunked and you change midstream. Likely of you.
IMO, Cooley and Lavin are basically in the same boat (that is even with Cooley's Big East tournament trophy). St. John's and Providence will be even when it comes to tourney appearances by both coaches (go back and check your math). Cooley has been to one at Providence and Lavin the same at St. John's (they'll both likely have two in a couple weeks).
We don't know who is better shaped up for success in the long run. In your opinion, you believe it to be PC. IMO, that's yet to be determined.
Also, who cares that Lavin won recruits from Cooley if those recruits didn't do anything productive? Sampson and Sanchez did not take us to an NCAA tournament so how could that viewed as a success?
Obviously, Cooley cared, as he went after Sampson and Sanchez. I'm sure he didn't go after them to intentionally waste Providence College's resources. Only you would attempt to denigrate it, as it supports your obvious agenda.
A) Cooley beat us in our most important game of last season. My argument hasn't changed. Thats a fact. Go ahead and try to debunk that
B) I said last 4 years, which is when Cooley got the PC job. He didn't have a team of solid seniors that he could bring to the tourney in year 1 like Lavin did. My math is correct, your reading comprehension is terrible
C) I didn't say PC is better suited for success going forward, but you can't argue that SJU is. I agreed that this is something that will be played out in recruiting in the next few months. Again, your reading comprehension needs a little work
D) I would take losing recruits to PC and winning the BET over winning the recruits and losing in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris any day of the week and so would Providence
E) I have no agenda. I just want this program to be successful. You and I disagree about our current head coach. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it. That's the great thing about this country and sports
A) So, what? That doesn't necessarily make him the better coach. That's asinine. Your argument did change.
B) So, now you're putting asterisks and stipulations on Lavin's tourney team, huh? Agenda. Besides, Cooley's top dog's on last season's team wasn't his recruits (Cotton and Batts). So, should I place an asterisk and put a stipulation on his Big East tournament title and NCAA appearance?
C) That is pretty much the message you conveyed. Stop with the manipulation and riddles.
D) Yeah.... It's easy to say that when it's all said and done. Revisionist at its best.
E) You sound eerily familiar with someone else, per the latter sentences. Whatever.
There is a difference between an opinion and conveying things like it's the truth. I don't care about you or anyone else having an opinion. My issue is more about approach and style that either falls on deaf ears or a few of you fail to know the difference.
Your posts also screams something entirely differently (on having an agenda). You're not the only one who wants the program to succeed. Stop repeating yourself over and over, and manipulating conversations, while conveying them like it's the gospel. Then, you also occasionally contradict what you've previously stated. You're someone who would probably complain about any coach of St. John's. Just a vibe that resonates from your posts.
Dude, I don't give a crap who is the coach, as long as we're winning. Trust me on that one!