Lavin

Quote from: boo3 on March 21, 2015, 01:49:57 PM

People are leaving NY in droves.  This isn't the 80s and 90s.

that's misleading boo.   Nyc and the metro area are growing.   Upstate is losing population fast.   

Quote from: boo3 on March 21, 2015, 01:44:39 PM

Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago.  He'd laugh at St. John's.

UCLA is completely unreasonable situation. All we want is a consistant winner. It isn't just the school. A coach has to think about where he wants to make a life for his family, and New York is a sell that cannot be matched.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 21, 2015, 01:06:20 PM

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on March 21, 2015, 01:04:25 PM

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 21, 2015, 12:37:10 PM

Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility

I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.

The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.

Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.

Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily

That Dayton/Providence game was a disgrace on so many levels. But again not really disagreeing with you. But Obekpa would have made a difference against SDSU no doubt in my mind.

Ya so would have Harkless, Amir and jakarr. Pointer and Harrison were great at the post game interview. No excuse. Lavin did them dirty

But I'm saying Harkless, Amir and Jakarr is a shitty excuse to use and it's dumb. There should be no excuses, even though there is one. Agreeing Lavin should man up.

I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything.  In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.

Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is,  very low chance it happens.  Then what? 

Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years.  Start over now?  Not sure I think that is right move. 

Quote from: boo3 on March 21, 2015, 02:42:45 PM

I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything.  In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.

Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is,  very low chance it happens.  Then what? 

Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years.  Start over now?  Not sure I think that is right move. 

Think we will be relevant next year? Year 6

I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything.  In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.

Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is,  very low chance it happens.  Then what? 

Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years.  Start over now?  Not sure I think that is right move. 

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 21, 2015, 02:54:01 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 21, 2015, 02:42:45 PM

I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything.  In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.

Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is,  very low chance it happens.  Then what? 

Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years.  Start over now?  Not sure I think that is right move. 

Think we will be relevant next year? Year 6

if the choice is back to Norm years or where we are today, is there really a question on which fans would rather have?

Lavin, of course, went the other way. He wouldn’t pin the loss on Obekpa, because there were so many other culprits he could blame. Rysheed Jordan sat for 18 first-half minutes, for starters. That didn’t help. Sir’Dominic Pointer was heroic early, keeping the Aztecs from blowing the game open in the first half, but he went down in a heap and banged up his hip. That didn’t help, either.
But Lavin — not for the first time — wouldn’t stop there, passive-aggressively referencing for the hundredth time the fact this class started with Mo Harkless (now with the Magic), JaKarr Sampson (now with the 76ers) and Amir Garrett (now playing baseball in the Reds organization).
What’s the point? Sure, the Johnnies might have had a different result for these last four years if all of them had spent every moment here. But they didn’t. You know what? If you could transport 1985 Walter Berry through the time-space continuum and onto this roster, that would be a big boost for the home team too. It’s just as relevant.

If you wan to blame Lavin for not coaching well that is fine and reasonable. He did not blame yesterdays game on any former players.

Pretty sure all of that could be said about Norm too.

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2015, 01:48:48 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 21, 2015, 01:44:39 PM

Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago.  He'd laugh at St. John's.

UCLA is completely unreasonable situation. All we want is a consistant winner. It isn't just the school. A coach has to think about where he wants to make a life for his family, and New York is a sell that cannot be matched.

from what i have heard every coach outside of NYC is lining up for this job, because of all NY has to offer for lifestyle and family.  reliable sources tell me that administration is choosing between Calipari and coach K, they are both willing to take huge discounts from what they are currently making and if SJU doesn't come through they are all over the Fordham opening. 

once a simpleton always a simpleton...

He's not the greatest game coach. But when you look at the big picture, I personally think you are crazy to fire him unless you have a proven winning coach to take his place.

Three 20 win seasons out of 5 and 2 NCAA appearances. If you were told those would be the numbers 5 years ago, you'd be smiling  We have short memories about just how bad things were before Lavin.

If Jordan and Obekpa are gone, and Lavin doesn't secure more top 100 players, then I might go into the fire Lavin camp. But until then, I'm still supporting him. I think he's a good face for SJU basketball.