Program expectations + reality

Or people smart enough to get away from cold weather and go where it's warm...

Or people smart enough to get away from cold weather and go where it's warm...

NY isn't for everyone. Some people can't handle it.

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 12:21:56 PM

Not trying to stick up for Lavin. But I think some of you forget how bad it was. Under the circumstances the last 5 years were good.

This program is over 100 years old. Before Harrington, we were the 4th winningest program in the country. 4th! And now, we want to be grateful for a 5th place finish in the BE. We had one terrible season under Jarvis/Harrington, and 6 terrible seasons under Norm Roberts.  I'm not going accept a little improvement just because Father Harrington wanted to teach the athletic department a lesson by hiring Norm Roberts.

A University should aspire to greater things. I'm not asking to return to the glory days. I'm asking for more than that. Lavin isn't terrible, but he's not the answer here. St.John's and New York City deserves better. If a coach from Ohio, Florida or some other shit state thinks he's bigger than NY, than F that delusional scared piece of shit. Enjoy your Olive Gardens, your wide open spaces and your gigantic fins splashing in that little pond.

rant of the month - you get the award immediately.


Just like my instantaneous tourney quote of the month 

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/3/18/8254359/north-florida-coach-explains-how-life-works-for-players-ballers-and

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

You would have preceded the two championships though. You would have seen one Final Four, correct?

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

I had plenty of fun at gantrys on union turnpike. The best night I ever had is like a Tuesday in Gainesville. Alumni hall or the swamp. Are you crazy?

Suspensions, failed drug tests, ineligibility, players leaving the team unannounced, recruiting suspicious characters,guys refusing to check back into games, hugely overpaid staff, taking years off of recruiting, alienating NYC High school coaches, Robert Morris thumping, deflecting responsibility, star guard blatant disregard for Carnesecca arena, failure to respect SJU tradition( we don't need to hear about John Wooden), 7-18 in March, 2-9 in postseason tournaments, lack of player development etc etc etc.

Where do I sign up?

I had plenty of fun at gantrys on union turnpike. The best night I ever had is like a Tuesday in Gainesville. Alumni hall or the swamp. Are you crazy?

You're talking about a student's perspective. I'm talking about a coach.

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:32:01 PM

I had plenty of fun at gantrys on union turnpike. The best night I ever had is like a Tuesday in Gainesville. Alumni hall or the swamp. Are you crazy?

You're talking about a student's perspective. I'm talking about a coach.

Bottom line is were not going to be able to match his salary let alone exceed it, so the rest is irrelevant.

Suspensions, failed drug tests, ineligibility, players leaving the team unannounced, recruiting suspicious characters,guys refusing to check back into games, hugely overpaid staff, taking years off of recruiting, alienating NYC High school coaches, Robert Morris thumping, deflecting responsibility, star guard blatant disregard for Carnesecca arena, failure to respect SJU tradition( we don't need to hear about John Wooden), 7-18 in March, 2-9 in postseason tournaments, lack of player development etc etc etc.

Where do I sign up?

You have just summarized all 300 posts youve shared in the last 7 days so succinctly.

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

Yeah, Donovan has had a terrible time selling Florida to perspective recruits.  So much easier selling beautiful Jamaica, Queens!!!

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:32:01 PM

I had plenty of fun at gantrys on union turnpike. The best night I ever had is like a Tuesday in Gainesville. Alumni hall or the swamp. Are you crazy?

You're talking about a student's perspective. I'm talking about a coach.

I would understand it more from a student's perspective.  As a coach, you still get plenty of recognition in Florida.  Plus, your old bones don't have to worry about the cold weather.  You're not partying 7 days a week so being in NYC doesn't matter (the reverse JR Smith).  The only advantage I see is not having to compete with the football program.  But some would see that as a bad thing - nothing to hide behind in down years.

Quote from: simplyred on March 22, 2015, 12:49:04 PM

Billy Donovan makes nearly $4 million in a state with no income tax, great weather and a comfortable lifestyle for his family and he should leave it to make less at SJU, pay more in taxes and suffer through long winters?  Some like cold and a city lifestyle and some don't.  None of us can decide what's right for someone else.

Florida is for people who are about to die.

Yeah, you should come down to Miami Beach and see all of these people ready to die.  It's actually quite sad... So healthy and vibrant, but little do they know in about 60 or so years they are going to die.  Makes me cry every time I'm down there enjoying the scenery. 

Quote from: Poison on March 22, 2015, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

Yeah, Donovan has had a terrible time selling Florida to perspective recruits.  So much easier selling beautiful Jamaica, Queens!!!

Donovan would have sold NYC too. 

Quote from: Pete88 on March 22, 2015, 01:41:00 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 22, 2015, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

Yeah, Donovan has had a terrible time selling Florida to perspective recruits.  So much easier selling beautiful Jamaica, Queens!!!

Donovan would have sold NYC too. 

Interesting that in 25+ years we have yet to have a coach who has successfully sold NYC consistently.  Tri-state schools have really been killing it with local and National recruits.  Kids from NYC and NJ are lining up to stay home and others from all over the country are lining up to play here.  Yup, its the Mecca!!!

Pete88 is killing it.   I'm with you.  Can't say it enough.  You're living in a fantasy world if you still think NYC is as desirable as it once once.   

I know tons of people who have gotten out in last 7-8 years.  Counting the days until I join them. 

Quality of life.    You should get out more.

Quote from: bball purist on March 22, 2015, 01:43:50 PM

Quote from: Pete88 on March 22, 2015, 01:41:00 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 22, 2015, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

Yeah, Donovan has had a terrible time selling Florida to perspective recruits.  So much easier selling beautiful Jamaica, Queens!!!

Donovan would have sold NYC too. 

Interesting that in 25+ years we have yet to have a coach who has successfully sold NYC consistently.  Tri-state schools have really been killing it with local and National recruits.  Kids from NYC and NJ are lining up to stay home and others from all over the country are lining up to play here.  Yup, its the Mecca!!!

Maybe because we didn't have Billy Donovan as HC. I stand by my comment.  Donovan would have recruited the country and Tri-State area.  Coaches have claimed it the past 25 years, none have done it.

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

You would have preceded the two championships though. You would have seen one Final Four, correct?

Actually hate gator sports. But my brother likes them. He has enjoyed a lot more success then I have. Most people hate Tim tebow. Gator fans love him. With good reason.

Quote from: Pete88 on March 22, 2015, 01:54:41 PM

Quote from: bball purist on March 22, 2015, 01:43:50 PM

Quote from: Pete88 on March 22, 2015, 01:41:00 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 22, 2015, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on March 22, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

How old are you poison? I am 36 my brother is 34. He went to Florida. I wish I went to Florida.

As a coach with a multi-million dollar salary, NY is the best choice. UF is a very good school with incredibly hot women, and a great party scene. But how does help the coach unless he's Bruce Pearl?

Yeah, Donovan has had a terrible time selling Florida to perspective recruits.  So much easier selling beautiful Jamaica, Queens!!!

Donovan would have sold NYC too. 

Interesting that in 25+ years we have yet to have a coach who has successfully sold NYC consistently.  Tri-state schools have really been killing it with local and National recruits.  Kids from NYC and NJ are lining up to stay home and others from all over the country are lining up to play here.  Yup, its the Mecca!!!

Maybe because we didn't have Billy Donovan as HC. I stand by my comment.  Donovan would have recruited the country and Tri-State area.  Coaches have claimed it the past 25 years, none have done it.

Yeah he probably could have... But, theres a reason Donovan and other premier coaches haven't been and aren't interested in the SJU or any other job in this area. It's all connected... If A happens, then B, then C...  We can't get A done, haven't since Louie. 

Bobby Hurley or Mas or Cluess or some other flavor of the month will change all of that???   Please....