2015-16 Nonconference schedule

I'm not in the know whatsoever, but fwiw there were rumors on Twitter about 3 weeks back claiming that Monasch had mismanaged the 15'-16' OOC so much that the Fordham game had to be moved to the BX. Idk what happened with @ LBST, but it looks as if the new regime cancelled any pre-exisiting relationships and started with a clean slate. Obviously the core local relationships (Niagara/Cuse/SFNY) remain and won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see what OOC home/home contracts develop over the next few years with Mullin's reach. 

It was selfish of Lavin to schedule a home and away series with garbage like San Francisco. That flight is no joke, and it was completely unnecessary. He only did that because of his own personal ties with the Bay Area. Can't blame Monasch for a schedule that was heavily influenced by the coach.

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

I'm not in the know whatsoever, but fwiw there were rumors on Twitter about 3 weeks back claiming that Monasch had mismanaged the 15'-16' OOC so much that the Fordham game had to be moved to the BX. Idk what happened with @ LBST, but it looks as if the new regime cancelled any pre-exisiting relationships and started with a clean slate. Obviously the core local relationships (Niagara/Cuse/SFNY) remain and won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see what OOC home/home contracts develop over the next few years with Mullin's reach. 

I believe the mismanagement was pointed at Lavin not Monasch. 

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:03:48 AM

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc

Quote from: wpc77 on August 25, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:03:48 AM

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc

I hear you, but those recruits will get to see us play Cuse, Nova and Hoyas at home so not all is lost. Also, for next year, I would rather not have a recruit's lasting impression be "wow, Kansas really pushed Mullin's sh#t in man!"

Schedule is absolutely adequate.  3-4 KenPom top 100 teams last year.  Should be a top 50-75 overall SOS, which is appropriately challenging in a rebuild year. 

No recruit would view this schedule as a negative, and a harder schedule likely would lead to a worse record and possible blowouts on national TV, which is more detrimental to recruiting. 

Also, Vandy is an experienced team that should make the tournament this year.  Tough opener in Maui

Schedule is absolutely adequate.  3-4 KenPom top 100 teams last year.  Should be a top 50-75 overall SOS, which is appropriately challenging in a rebuild year. 

No recruit would view this schedule as a negative, and a harder schedule likely would lead to a worse record and possible blowouts on national TV, which is more detrimental to recruiting. 

Also, Vandy is an experienced team that should make the tournament this year.  Tough opener in Maui

Agree

I thought we played at Duke this year?

I'm with Paultz and Chudney on this one.  I think Cuse, Indiana and Vandy are all tourney teams (or at least in the hunt).  And Cuse/Indiana are big name, storied programs.  Maui is one of the top 2 pre-season tournaments.  Yes, I would prefer to throw in a Manhattan or Iona instead of an Incarnate Word, but we still play St. Francis/Fordham/Rutgers.

Quote from: wpc77 on August 25, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:03:48 AM

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc

Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable. 
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:50:21 AM

Quote from: wpc77 on August 25, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:03:48 AM

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc

Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable. 
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.

St. Johns is not Kentucky, Duke or Kansas either. Those schools recruit themselves. St John's needs to up its game, don't see how playing these bottom feeders helps anything in the future

Quote from: SJUFAN on August 25, 2015, 11:07:18 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:50:21 AM

Quote from: wpc77 on August 25, 2015, 08:48:01 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 08:03:48 AM

Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana

11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)

11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)

11/13 Wagner

11/16 UMBC

11/19 Rutgers

11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)

11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)

11/25 TBD (Maui)

12/2 Fordham

12/6 St. Francis (NY)

12/9 Niagara

12/13 Syracuse

12/18 Incarnate Word

12/20 NJIT

12/22 South Carolina

Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.

Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc

Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable. 
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.

St. Johns is not Kentucky, Duke or Kansas either. Those schools recruit themselves. St John's needs to up its game, don't see how playing these bottom feeders helps anything in the future

Getting crushed at home by good teams doesn't help either. Especially in Mullin's first year. Schedule needs to improve over the years as recruiting improves.

Maui definitely blew away the travel budget in one fell swoop, which is why stopping at LBST for a few nights before had to be especially straining. Fiscally, I understand why there wasn't another true road game scheduled, but in the years to come I hope that the Johnnies brand stretches into SEC/Big12/Pac10 country alongside the annual Gavitt Big 10 game, as the program continues to revive it's name. I thought Lavin did his best in that regard.

My crew goes to a true road game every year. We went to @GTown in 2009 and then Morgantown, WV during the 2010 season and had such a great time that we decided to make it a point to go to every BE city. If there was a more attractive OOC game scheduled that year (@Duke, @Cuse, etc.), then we'd choose that. It's become a great tradition. There's nothing cooler than being in an opponent's city, exploring their restaurants, tourist attractions, monuments, and then enjoying their in game atmosphere. We hope to be going to Indianapolis and Providence this year if the games are on the weekend. @Hall is a given, love winning at the Rock. 

When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.

When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.

So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?

We reserve the right to complain about whatever we want, whenever we want to complain about it.

Maui definitely blew away the travel budget in one fell swoop, which is why stopping at LBST for a few nights before had to be especially straining. Fiscally, I understand why there wasn't another true road game scheduled, but in the years to come I hope that the Johnnies brand stretches into SEC/Big12/Pac10 country alongside the annual Gavitt Big 10 game, as the program continues to revive it's name. I thought Lavin did his best in that regard.

My crew goes to a true road game every year. We went to @GTown in 2009 and then Morgantown, WV during the 2010 season and had such a great time that we decided to make it a point to go to every BE city. If there was a more attractive OOC game scheduled that year (@Duke, @Cuse, etc.), then we'd choose that. It's become a great tradition. There's nothing cooler than being in an opponent's city, exploring their restaurants, tourist attractions, monuments, and then enjoying their in game atmosphere. We hope to be going to Indianapolis and Providence this year if the games are on the weekend. @Hall is a given, love winning at the Rock. 

Doesnt the tournament pitch in to cover those costs?  Or at least a sizeable portion.

Quote from: queensfinest on August 25, 2015, 01:07:08 PM

When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.

So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?

With respect to recruiting, there should be no schedule-related complaints

Quote from: Marco Baldi on August 25, 2015, 01:11:08 PM

Quote from: queensfinest on August 25, 2015, 01:07:08 PM

When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.

So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?

With respect to recruiting, there should be no schedule-related complaints

Especially when you have Maui one year and Atlantis the next.