Sima v. Obekpa

Lack of a wide body was evident last night.

Lack of a wide body was evident last night.

Lack of seniors was evident last night.

Lacking in both....not lacking in TO's...lacking in defense....lacking in shooting......

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Quote from: hnk on December 03, 2015, 09:21:26 AM

Lack of a wide body was evident last night.

Lack of seniors was evident last night.

We shouldn't pretend that Fordham is a good or even a decent team. The game was absolutely a home game for Fordham but it was far from hostile.

Quote from: Dave on December 03, 2015, 10:59:55 AM

Quote from: hnk on December 03, 2015, 09:21:26 AM

Lack of a wide body was evident last night.

Lack of seniors was evident last night.

We shouldn't pretend that Fordham is a good or even a decent team. The game was absolutely a home game for Fordham but it was far from hostile.

Everything is hostile for our guys when they play their homes games in quaint Carnesseca Arena.

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

Last night was embarrassing. 
But we also blew a pair of 21 pt leads that year with Lavin.

Pick your Poison

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

Lavin was mediocre last year with those two #$%^- guys and four seniors, one of whom had the best four year career in recent memory and another who had the best senior year in recent memory. Fool's gold would have been keeping him because he might be able to beat Fordham in December year six of his tenure.

I don't want Lavin back, but I also don't to suck. Not living up to expectations and the constant drama is annoying. However, I would  have prefered watching Jordan and Sampson win by 10 last night.  Taking your lumps is going 4-14 in conference with some close games. Getting killed by Fordham is embrassing. We didn't play bad last night. If we played them 10 times I think they win every time.
I was thrilled like everyone when we got Mullin. I am getting nervous now. I think Sima is a Big East player. I think Mussini can have a role, but he is not close to being a good PG or SG in the big east. Christian Jones has been better, but he is still a back up. Amar is just awful. Felix is our best player (a senior) and he isnt very good. Yawke is as raw as everyone said- At-least he athletic

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

Last night was embarrassing. 
But we also blew a pair of 21 pt leads that year with Lavin.

Pick your Poison

Jordan stop going to class when Lavin was here.

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

Last night was embarrassing. 
But we also blew a pair of 21 pt leads that year with Lavin.

Pick your Poison

Jordan stop going to class when Lavin was here.

I meant in the game itself we blew the 21 point leads.  Wasnt trying to turn it into a Lavin problem thread

Quote from: we are sju on December 03, 2015, 12:51:57 PM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

Last night was embarrassing. 
But we also blew a pair of 21 pt leads that year with Lavin.

Pick your Poison

Jordan stop going to class when Lavin was here.

I meant in the game itself we blew the 21 point leads.  Wasnt trying to turn it into a Lavin problem thread

Replied to your post in error was in response to Newsie post about us being better this year if Lavin had stayed. Would be true for this year but you couldn't count on having Jordan here regardless.

Jordan wasn't going to be here - he wasn't eligible, so even if Lavin ignored the perpetual nonsense, the odds of him sticking around to the second semester where slim to none, and I've read that he wasn't returning to play for Lavin anyway.  My guess is Obekpa was gone too - and even if he wasn't, that is the last guy you want on a struggling team with impressionable freshman.  Also, we wouldn't have Sima, Ellison, Williams, etc.  In fact, the most probably scenario is that we'd have Sampson and maybe Mussini/Lovett.  That's it.  Before one asks how worse it could be, imagine what that would have looked liked.  And what next year might look like.

I was still shell shocked when I ranted.  Sitting through last night's game in a LOUD arena watching such a terrible beatdown by a team that's hasn't won anything since Digger Phelps left town to coach Notre Dame was worse than being waterboarded.  I'll confess to anything rather than go through that again.

I agree it may have been unlikely Cannibis Chris Obekpa  would have returned.  I say "may have" because Lavin was a drama junkie who might have found a way to keep the loose ends around.

All five people I came to the game with told me in two years, we'll be a force.  On the other hand, my doctor told me not to buy green bananas.

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

the problem we have this year is the fact that our upper class guys (e.g Johnson) are not good enough to allow the freshmen be freshmen...

Johnson, in particular, should be getting less time if/when we get some of our injured players back

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

We didn't switch coaches to beat teams like Fordham this year.  We did it to win games in the NCAA tournament on a regular basis starting in a year or two.  I was never anti-Lavin because he could clearly attract more talent to SJU than we probably deserve, but Mullin and his staff have the potential to build an actual program.

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

We didn't switch coaches to beat teams like Fordham this year.  We did it to win games in the NCAA tournament on a regular basis starting in a year or two.  I was never anti-Lavin because he could clearly attract more talent to SJU than we probably deserve, but Mullin and his staff have the potential to build an actual program.

+1

Quote from: Marillac on December 04, 2015, 01:50:17 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  Mullin brings up hope for a better future than Lavin could have brought us...I'm still elated he's here...but this team is downright embarrassing.

Mullin talks about the learning process.  I can't figure out how they're better than the players who were given the big enema by STAC.  We may take this trip to the woodshed by Fordham out on St Frances...but it'll be fool's gold.

 

We didn't switch coaches to beat teams like Fordham this year.  We did it to win games in the NCAA tournament on a regular basis starting in a year or two.  I was never anti-Lavin because he could clearly attract more talent to SJU than we probably deserve, but Mullin and his staff have the potential to build an actual program.

+1

+2

I don't want Lavin back, but I also don't to suck. Not living up to expectations and the constant drama is annoying. However, I would  have prefered watching Jordan and Sampson win by 10 last night.  Taking your lumps is going 4-14 in conference with some close games. Getting killed by Fordham is embrassing. We didn't play bad last night. If we played them 10 times I think they win every time.
I was thrilled like everyone when we got Mullin. I am getting nervous now. I think Sima is a Big East player. I think Mussini can have a role, but he is not close to being a good PG or SG in the big east. Christian Jones has been better, but he is still a back up. Amar is just awful. Felix is our best player (a senior) and he isnt very good. Yawke is as raw as everyone said- At-least he athletic

We might suck this year, but that was inevitable whether it was Lavin or Mullin coaching.  Maybe we would have landed Sampson but that wouldn't have changed the fact that this roster was decimated.  It's never fun starting from scratch.  I don't think we will see Mullin and staff ever starting from scratch again like they did this year.  Next year we will already be a ton more talented than this season, and it will only get better when we have a few talented upperclassmen to mix with young talent.  This year isn't going to be pretty, but it's just a foundation.