6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2012 Class => Topic started by: lihoop on June 28, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
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has anyone seen him play? he's a 6' 8" PF out of IMG
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see Big Recruiting Wkend thread
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thanks paultzman
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thanks paultzman
No bother. Actually we should have a thread here.
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Asked on Rivals board if anyone knew anything and Bossi responded with this-
Freakish leaper who is pretty strong. Went to prep to develop into more of a wing but was more of an undersized four man with heart and that freaky athleticism at about 6-4/6-5 when I last saw him in high school. Didn't get to see him as a prep schooler. Like a poor man's Anthony Glover last time I saw him.
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Asked on Rivals board if anyone knew anything and Bossi responded with this-
Freakish leaper who is pretty strong. Went to prep to develop into more of a wing but was more of an undersized four man with heart and that freaky athleticism at about 6-4/6-5 when I last saw him in high school. Didn't get to see him as a prep schooler. Like a poor man's Anthony Glover last time I saw him.
Thanks moose
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Asked on Rivals board if anyone knew anything and Bossi responded with this-
Freakish leaper who is pretty strong. Went to prep to develop into more of a wing but was more of an undersized four man with heart and that freaky athleticism at about 6-4/6-5 when I last saw him in high school. Didn't get to see him as a prep schooler. Like a poor man's Anthony Glover last time I saw him.
Good find Moose!
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Asked on Rivals board if anyone knew anything and Bossi responded with this-
Freakish leaper who is pretty strong. Went to prep to develop into more of a wing but was more of an undersized four man with heart and that freaky athleticism at about 6-4/6-5 when I last saw him in high school. Didn't get to see him as a prep schooler. Like a poor man's Anthony Glover last time I saw him.
Good find Moose!
Still doesn't explain why there is so little info on the kid. You'd think a freakish athlete "poor man's Anthony Glover" would have a lot of write up - even if only projected at the mid or low D-1 level.
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Poor man's Anthony Glover is similar to what I was likening him to with the Gathers comparo. Gathers also undersized.
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Poor man's Anthony Glover is similar to what I was likening him to with the Gathers comparo. Gathers also undersized.
Fess up. Your really Eric Bossi
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Poor man's Anthony Glover is similar to what I was likening him to with the Gathers comparo. Gathers also undersized.
Fess up. Your really Eric Bossi
Moose strikes again! Very funny man!
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“@TooRealC_Jones: Had a fun time out here in NYC”
Not sure why, but seems likely we have a new player, genius that I am.
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Maybe as a walkon? Noone is beating down his door with offers
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Maybe as a walkon? Noone is beating down his door with offers
Doubt that
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Maybe as a walkon? Noone is beating down his door with offers
Doubt that
Does he have any other offers?
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Maybe as a walkon? Noone is beating down his door with offers
Doubt that
Does he have any other offers?
Don't know, but guess Fratto will tell us, unless I am all wet on this.
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Soo how does this affect Wood? Because I thought we had 8 guys in this class before Jones.
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Or maybe just a Kevin Daley. Another freak jumper Lav's recruited. Didn't pan out for UCLA - but did later become an NAIA All American, better known now as "Special K" - the star player for the Globetrotters....
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
Not saying he will. Just hoping. He has offers from legit schools.
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
Not saying he will. Just hoping. He has offers from legit schools.
Just kidding around!
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
Not saying he will. Just hoping. He has offers from legit schools.
Just kidding around!
Lol. I'm just guessing he's probably at least a little bit better than walkon status like some people are inferring. Lavin has no need to offer a non-contributor, so I tend to believe the kid probably has a bit more upside than face value. Nobody wanted Phil Greene out of IMG either, but Lavin and staff were all over him early. I think Phil is a heck of a player and is only going to get better.
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
Not saying he will. Just hoping. He has offers from legit schools.
Just kidding around!
Lol. I'm just guessing he's probably at least a little bit better than walkon status like some people are inferring. Lavin has no need to offer a non-contributor, so I tend to believe the kid probably has a bit more upside than face value. Nobody wanted Phil Greene out of IMG either, but Lavin and staff were all over him early. I think Phil is a heck of a player and is only going to get better.
phil Greene was a borderline top 100 player out of HS. With a 91 scouts grade from ESPN.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/)
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Walk on does make sense, but you gotta believe if this kid is good enough to play here than he's good enough to get a ship somewhere else that's also strong too.
Or at the very least, somewhere among D1.
Zags reporting that Jones is mulling over going to Auburn or Oklahoma State, but leaning to SJU. Talk about an "under the radar" recruitment....
Yeah, but getting solid offers. I'm all for going into this season with thoroughbreds through all roster spots. Maybe he turns out to be a Montrezl Harrell or Shane Behanan-type if we're lucky?
Marcus, I have to commend your optimism. You could turn a pig into a stallion! Lol
Not saying he will. Just hoping. He has offers from legit schools.
Just kidding around!
Lol. I'm just guessing he's probably at least a little bit better than walkon status like some people are inferring. Lavin has no need to offer a non-contributor, so I tend to believe the kid probably has a bit more upside than face value. Nobody wanted Phil Greene out of IMG either, but Lavin and staff were all over him early. I think Phil is a heck of a player and is only going to get better.
phil Greene was a borderline top 100 player out of HS. With a 91 scouts grade from ESPN.
Phil greene wasn't borderline top 100 on any lists I saw. Scout had him a 2-star and rivals a 3-star prospect. He wasn't heavily recruited, but did hold some decent offers. Real point was that he's another IMG player who I'm hoping is also better than his ranking.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players. I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/)
6 foot 8????
The kid will be 7 foot 2 by November at this pace
It mentions he knows Phil. Phil spent 1 yr at IMG. I thought this kid only did his post grad yr there?
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players. I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
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Gift played 30 minutes a game. (well, to be fair 29.9 minutes). Not like they stopped using him at the end of the season - his last 3 games were 30 and 28 vs Pitt and 29 vs Rutgers. He played more minutes than Amir or Sir Dom. He was the teams 2nd leading rebounder, 3rd in Scoring behind 2 of the 7 highest scoring freshmen in Division 1. And as for "all of his turnovers" he was 1/10th of a turnover from LOWEST on the team per game among the regulars - Moe, D'lo, Phil, Sir Dom, and Nuri were all much higher. Only Amir was lower - at 1.6 per game to Gift's 1.7 (58 in 34 games). I think his minutes go down, but I think he's an integral part of any success/improvement we see this year.
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Lenn Robbins @LennRobbins
St. John's gets a verbal from 6-6 Texas F Christian Jones...Lavin has established the Red Storm as national players in recruiting #stjbb
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welcome aboard Christian!!
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Lavin working around the clock - gets verbals in the middle of the night.
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Welcome aboard Christian!
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Not sure if this was posted
Christian Jones 2k10 - 2k11 college recruitment reel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyx1EnvuCk0#)
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I'm all for taking a flyer on this kid. Looks like a great raw athlete. Throw in a year at IMG, which couldn't hurt his development.
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Not sure if this was posted
Christian Jones 2k10 - 2k11 college recruitment reel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyx1EnvuCk0#)
damn. that boy can throw down. From everything I've read (which isn't a lot) he boards hard and plays with passion, and can run the break with the rest of our freakishly athletic team. Welcome Chris.
LOVE that play at 3:14. Shows great adaptability and adjustability with that spin move and composure to balance himself and then finish a difficult shot with his weak hand. He has such a quick first step too he can be used against the zone to catch the ball and make that quick first move to the baseline a la 3:09. His jumper form looks decent as well. They usually do based on highlight reels, but this kid looks like a player.
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Welcome Chris. I'm all for having a full roster. At least we can have full scrimmages in practice and actually have a bench this year.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players.
I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
Gift was great against W&M and Lehigh. I think he was used to playing against guys like that. As our only senior, I hope he is working hard this summer to get up to speed on BE game. While he was outclassed most of the time since the Arizona game, he wasn't completely unable to help us.
What we want to see from all of our second year players: hard work over the summer with an excellent understanding of what they need to work on.
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welcome Chris. you chose a great staff to take you to the next level.
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Welcome Chris! Have to trust staff on this puzzler!
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players.
I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
Gift was great against W&M and Lehigh. I think he was used to playing against guys like that. As our only senior, I hope he is working hard this summer to get up to speed on BE game. While he was outclassed most of the time since the Arizona game, he wasn't completely unable to help us.
What we want to see from all of our second year players: hard work over the summer with an excellent understanding of what they need to work on.
Lavin feels that Gift will be more effective next season and will contribute more to the team coming off the bench. Lavin's very grateful to Gift for the position that he was placed in last season. Gift was asked to do more than anyone could have expected. Now he will come into games strong off the bench and lift this team up. He will play like Sean Evans did in the successful second half of Lavin's first season.
It's great to see this new kid come aboard an exciting group and help NYC college hoops return to where it belongs. It seems we are building a nice Texas pipeline. Lots of great athletes in that region of the country. The BE expansion to Texas could bring us more Texas fan support too.
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Question, Wood and Hooper where do they fit in?
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Question, Wood and Hooper where do they fit in?
If Jones is here, Wood likely didn't qualify. Hooper is a transfer and has to sit out this season.
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This is the kind of pickup where 5 years ago, we'd be saying sleeper. Now, when this guy is a junior, he'll start off the season ready to kick butt because he will have learned for 2 years in a great system. See, I can write sane posts too.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players.
I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
Gift was great against W&M and Lehigh. I think he was used to playing against guys like that. As our only senior, I hope he is working hard this summer to get up to speed on BE game. While he was outclassed most of the time since the Arizona game, he wasn't completely unable to help us.
What we want to see from all of our second year players: hard work over the summer with an excellent understanding of what they need to work on.
He was also great against Kentucky. So I think that pretty much deflates any theory. Gift is solid and serviceable.
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As for Jones...I have nothing. Never heard of him.
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Most athletic team in the big east is fair I think now.
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http://mobile.searchingforbillyedelin.com/2010/11/27/1839203/christian-jones-can-dunk-we-want-more-info (http://mobile.searchingforbillyedelin.com/2010/11/27/1839203/christian-jones-can-dunk-we-want-more-info)
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This kid is a mystery. Did Lavs find the basketball Steve Nebraska?
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I trust the staff in evaluating talent.. I just don't understand the need to give out the ship. I mean in this day and age for nobody to know about a kid is really odd. I have asked around and got zero info in return. If he improved or is a late bloomer someone would have heard of him .. Especially at Img who has tipsters all through that program. I hadn't heard that Ok state and Auburn had offered either.. Would have loved to have pocketed the ship.. But staff must see something.
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Well i trust this staff, who knows maybe they know D'lo is going to try to go pro and is it possible that the reds may ask Amir to play full time after this season and give up hoops? lots of possibilities.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players. I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
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Gift played 30 minutes a game. (well, to be fair 29.9 minutes). Not like they stopped using him at the end of the season - his last 3 games were 30 and 28 vs Pitt and 29 vs Rutgers. He played more minutes than Amir or Sir Dom. He was the teams 2nd leading rebounder, 3rd in Scoring behind 2 of the 7 highest scoring freshmen in Division 1. And as for "all of his turnovers" he was 1/10th of a turnover from LOWEST on the team per game among the regulars - Moe, D'lo, Phil, Sir Dom, and Nuri were all much higher. Only Amir was lower - at 1.6 per game to Gift's 1.7 (58 in 34 games). I think his minutes go down, but I think he's an integral part of any success/improvement we see this year.
Ok, I don't want to make this thread about GG. I was just stating why I think coach has stockpiled power forwards; I don't see him using Gift very much. With that said its nothing personal against Gift, he seems like a good person and I hope he's working hard this summer.
But it's not surprising that he had lower turnover numbers than PGs and wings, he touched the ball 1/10 of the number of times they did. But as a percentage of times the ball was in his hand; my observations tell me he commuted turnovers at a high rate.
And there's no question from the WVU game on, when the staff went with the fresh 5, his minutes went down. The last two games against Pitt and Rutgers were anomalies because Moe got hurt in the Pitt game if you remember.
But as for Jones ... Don't know much about him, but welcome aboard. I expect everyone will contribute at some point this year.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/06/30/christian-jones-leaning-to-st-johns/)
6 foot 8????
The kid will be 7 foot 2 by November at this pace
It mentions he knows Phil. Phil spent 1 yr at IMG. I thought this kid only did his post grad yr there?
I think sometimes these connections are exaggerated. Same goes for Texas ... It's a big state.
But if the kid is really 6'7 - 6'8 then well have a lot of depth in the front court compared to last year.
We had just 2 guys over 6'8.... This season it looks like we may have 5. Not a lot of size.. But certainly depth.
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Still can't really piece together the need for another wing/4 hope nobody is on their way out.
I don't see Lavin playing Gift ... at all. The staff played him as little as they could last year, and they only had 6 players.
I think that's very telling.
Personally I like Gift, think he can be a good part-time contributor. But I think the staff has soured on him. Just my opinion though, I don't have any sources. But I think the turnovers and his inability to grasp rotating in the zone kind've doomed him in Dunlap's eyes... and in turn, Lavin's as well.
That's one possible explanation anyway.
Gift was great against W&M and Lehigh. I think he was used to playing against guys like that. As our only senior, I hope he is working hard this summer to get up to speed on BE game. While he was outclassed most of the time since the Arizona game, he wasn't completely unable to help us.
What we want to see from all of our second year players: hard work over the summer with an excellent understanding of what they need to work on.
He was also great against Kentucky. So I think that pretty much deflates any theory. Gift is solid and serviceable.
Dave, there are several people on this board that were very impressed with Gift vs UK. I am not among them. The theory that he played well against them is seriously flawed. If you focus just on the box score, and not on the game you just watched, then yes, it looked liked he played well.
We needed baskets and defense early to be in the game. He wasn't ready to contribute at that point.
It wasn't until the game was ridiculously out of hand that he started scoring. If that was the REAL Gift, we would have seen him again throughout the season.
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Welcome Christian! Cant wait to see you in the red and white!
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Welcome to St. John's Mr. Jones!
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I think Lavin will want to be going at least 10-deep come mid-late season with our running, trapping and pressing style. We will have 12 active players this season. We will be prepared for fatigue, injury and fouls. I see nothing wring with this pickup. The staff must feel he's a gem that fits in somewhere here. The fact that we don't know about doesn't mean he can't play. I'm willing to give benefit of doubt here. I don't think we'd add a substandard player to waste a ship here.
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I think Lavin will want to be going at least 10-deep come mid-late season with our running, trapping and pressing style. We will have 12 active players this season. We will be prepared for fatigue, injury and fouls. I see nothing wring with this pickup. The staff must feel he's a gem that fits in somewhere here. The fact that we don't know about doesn't mean he can't play. I'm willing to give benefit of doubt here. I don't think we'd add a substandard player to waste a ship here.
It's the fact that nobody knows if he can play. In this day and age its easy to find info on players. Not one service knows the kid. Just doesn't scream big east recruit
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Interesting connection is now we will have 2 Players from IMG and where did Moe go to train/work on his game for his NBA tryouts? The same IMG!
IMG originally started as tennis academy which developed a lot of major players; now into more sports; maybe not a bad feeder school.
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Interesting connection is now we will have 2 Players from IMG and where did Moe go to train/work on his game for his NBA tryouts? The same IMG!
IMG originally started as tennis academy which developed a lot of major players; now into more sports; maybe not a bad feeder school.
I just saw it costs $52k a year for "school" at IMG. Who is paying that for these kids?
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Is this the second coming of Dwight Meikle? It sounds like it, as a prep player, with St. John's player contacts, comes from no where to being a committed recruit. And surprises every one on this board! How is that possible? You have to think that Coach knows something that no other coach knows about Christian.
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Is this the second coming of Dwight Meikle? It sounds like it, as a prep player, with St. John's player contacts, comes from no where to being a committed recruit. And surprises every one on this board! How is that possible? You have to think that Coach knows something that no other coach knows about Christian.
A late recruit w no rep. Could be the second coming of DJ Kennedy. Prep rankings guarantee nothing. Ask Nova how well Cheeks and Wayans panned out. They stink on ice. It's the staff that develops the good prospects into great players. Ask the endless supply of Lavin coached NBA players. Not trying to start an argument. I just believe in Lavin's system.
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Is this the second coming of Dwight Meikle? It sounds like it, as a prep player, with St. John's player contacts, comes from no where to being a committed recruit. And surprises every one on this board! How is that possible? You have to think that Coach knows something that no other coach knows about Christian.
A late recruit w no rep. Could be the second coming of DJ Kennedy. Prep rankings guarantee nothing. Ask Nova how well Cheeks and Wayans panned out. They stink on ice. It's the staff that develops the good prospects into great players. Ask the endless supply of Lavin coached NBA players. Not trying to start an argument. I just believe in Lavin's system.
Not a good example with DJ. He was 3 star players by Rivals and ranked 134 overall
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Is he qualified?
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Is this the second coming of Dwight Meikle? It sounds like it, as a prep player, with St. John's player contacts, comes from no where to being a committed recruit. And surprises every one on this board! How is that possible? You have to think that Coach knows something that no other coach knows about Christian.
A late recruit w no rep. Could be the second coming of DJ Kennedy. Prep rankings guarantee nothing. Ask Nova how well Cheeks and Wayans panned out. They stink on ice. It's the staff that develops the good prospects into great players. Ask the endless supply of Lavin coached NBA players. Not trying to start an argument. I just believe in Lavin's system.
Dj was top 150
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I forget, was Lavor Postell ranked in high school?
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Someone asked Nate on Twitter if he saw Jones at IMG. He said yes and compared him to Michael Gbinije who went to Duke before transferring.
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I forget, was Lavor Postell ranked in high school?
Top 50
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Not sure if this was posted
Christian Jones 2k10 - 2k11 college recruitment reel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyx1EnvuCk0#)
looks like he can jump out of the gym
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Obviously the staff has seen something in Christian that they like. There ARE some things that can be gleaned from a highlight reel, tho I feel pretty sure Laving and Chiles have seen him in person, and verified that during the on campus friday/saturday. Great leaper, obviously very strong physically. Looks like great footspeed (judging from the clips - he pulls away on breaks several times from what look like 6 foot guards chashing him). Decent midrange shot (one highligh clip showed him hitting three 15-17 foot shots in what from the jerseys appeared to be the same game...most kids these days don't even ATTEMPT 3 midrange shots a game). Appears to have a fine first step, and very good body control. Looks to be very guick off the floor on 2nd jumps - again highlight clip stuff, but several times gets his own offensive reb for a putback. Appears to have a good concept of spacing on offense. Generally seems to be in the right place on the court. Appears to also move well without the ball.
Some seem concerned with his size - they're calling him a PF, and one report says 6'8, but it seems pretty obvious that's an overstatement (tho kids DO grow - at his age David Robinson was stillshort enuf to get into the Naval Academy) - but I'm guessing 6'5-6'6.
Size at the PF spot has never scared off Lavin - especially at the BACKUP Pf spot. From the clips Jones reminds me physically very much of a poor mans version of former Lavin player JaRon Rush - the BEST of the three Rush brothers (Kareem and Brandon), who drank himself out of his college and pro career. And yes, Lav's had no qualms qualms with the 6'5 1/2 210 lb Rush at PF (his natural position) or at SF. He led the Lav's top 25 Bruin team in rebouding as a frosh, on front line that also had Dan Gadzuric, future lotto pick Jerome Moiso, and Matt Barnes. And its worth noting, the 6'6 1/2 Matt Barnes (then now list him at 6'7 in the NBA) started for 2 years at PF - on two Sweet 16 teams - alongside SF Jason Kapono and C Gadzuric for Steve.
Right now this kid projects as the 12th man off the bench, as the 3rd string PF (behind a College All Americn in Sanchez and a top 40 talent in Sampson). SO there's plenty of time for him to develop.
Think of it this way - if this kid was a year older and this was a year earlier and we signed him July 1st, even tho we aleady knew our roster was Norvell Pelle, Mo Harkless, Amir Garrett, Nurideen Lindsey, Malik Stith, Sir Dom Pointer, D'Angelo Harrison, God's Gift Achiuwa, Phil Greene - we'd have likely thought he was in excess THEN, too - we should save the ride for the 2012 class. After all, look at all the posts on there being no downside to the Meikle decommit. Heck, Meikle would have never seen the court for us last year, right? :) So we finish the season with 6 bodies. A 7th (even a Meikle or Christian Jones - and I like the idea of Jones better) would have been a blessing.
I'm thinking the staff is simply taking no chances. They think this kid is a legitimate 10th/11th/12th player on the bench, with a chance a couple years with Rico can turn him into something more.
Rides for next year will work out (D'lo, Sampson, Sanchez may go). I mean, you realize the DOWNSIDE if the rides don't open up? The DOWNSIDE is we have to play with D'lo as a Junior, Sampson as a Sophmore, and Sanchez as a Senior, instead of breaking in three freshmen, and get our freshman in the 2014 class instead.
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Video of him getting dunked on and missing 2 layups :P
Top 8 dunks at IMG Tournament. Ft. Kamari Murphy, Christian Jones, Brian Greene jr. etc. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0KN49EHA_I#ws)
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He's the 12th man on the roster next season. Would I have liked for our 12th guy to be someone I've heard of, or the talentless son of a former Redmen great? Sure, but I won't criticize this move.
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is it legit that he had offers from auburn and ok st?
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is it legit that he had offers from auburn and ok st?
Interesting that BOTH of those schools also have 2012 signees from IMG - Auburn has guard Brian Green, OK State has PF Kamari Murphy....And Auburn's still in it for 2012 7'0 Jordan Dickerson, also from IMG. Wonder if Jones was considered as a package deal with any of them for those two schools? OR when we were sweating Chandler's NCAA approval, and Obekpa's Cincy-lean, did the staff go back and take another look at Dickerson, and get a better look at Jones then?
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Brightest side to the Christian Jones verbal - SJU recruiting posts from here on out will HAVE to pertain to 2013 kids and beyond! :D :D
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He's the 12th man on the roster next season. Would I have liked for our 12th guy to be someone I've heard of, or the talentless son of a former Redmen great? Sure, but I won't criticize this move.
or the talentless son of a former Redmen great?
really? I always hate the idea of having former players coach, or having former players kids get drafted/recruited, unless they are seriously talented. It just gets weird. I hear people say they want Leetch to get an assistant job with the Rangers, Messier to be the GM, Patrick Ewing or Mark Jackson to coach the Knicks. But what happens when/if those guys can't perform the job? Now you have to fire a legend and everybody gets all weird and it just becomes an uncomfortable situation for all.
I really like this kid Jones. I think CR summed up his skillset based on that highlight reel quite nicely.
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Is this the second coming of Dwight Meikle? It sounds like it, as a prep player, with St. John's player contacts, comes from no where to being a committed recruit. And surprises every one on this board! How is that possible? You have to think that Coach knows something that no other coach knows about Christian.
A late recruit w no rep. Could be the second coming of DJ Kennedy. Prep rankings guarantee nothing. Ask Nova how well Cheeks and Wayans panned out. They stink on ice. It's the staff that develops the good prospects into great players. Ask the endless supply of Lavin coached NBA players. Not trying to start an argument. I just believe in Lavin's system.
Not a good example with DJ. He was 3 star players by Rivals and ranked 134 overall
DJ was ranked higher than this kid, but the pI forget, was Lavor Postell ranked in high school?
Top 50 recruit. Brian Mahoney recruited him.
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speaking of Postell (loved his tenacity and defensive prowess, easily my favorite player of that era) it seems he has started a sports and entertainment talent agency down in Georgia...giving us a little shoutout on the home page.....http://www.lavorpostell.com/ (http://www.lavorpostell.com/)
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He's the 12th man on the roster next season. Would I have liked for our 12th guy to be someone I've heard of, or the talentless son of a former Redmen great? Sure, but I won't criticize this move.
or the talentless son of a former Redmen great?
really? I always hate the idea of having former players coach, or having former players kids get drafted/recruited, unless they are seriously talented. It just gets weird. I hear people say they want Leetch to get an assistant job with the Rangers, Messier to be the GM, Patrick Ewing or Mark Jackson to coach the Knicks. But what happens when/if those guys can't perform the job? Now you have to fire a legend and everybody gets all weird and it just becomes an uncomfortable situation for all.
I really like this kid Jones. I think CR summed up his skillset based on that highlight reel quite nicely.
In an ordinary year, the 13th (12th for us this season) man isn't seeing daylight. If your 13th man is actually talented he'll probably transfer from lack of playing time. I like to keep transfers to a minimum personally.
I also prefer to just have 11 guys every year instead of 13, but Lavin's the coach.
If Jones is better than everyone thinks, we'll probably lose someone else to transfer, and I'm more attached to every one of our other players because they didn't come out of the blue.
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I forget, was Lavor Postell ranked in high school?
He was rated in the 60 to 75 range.
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Really don't get this at all..... He isn't even rated on Rivals or any major recruiting service. Pretty hard to believe any major talent can go under the radar like this.
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
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OMG! a great athlete off the bench in the 12th spot, what are they thinking!!! lol but seriously are there any top 150 players that would want to be the 12th or 13th guy? lets trust the staff on this one. Unless of course we want walk-on's for the 7-12 spot again.
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
Now he's 6-7. Man Zags needs a new tape measure.
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
Also hope posters notice no mention of Wood.
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
Now he's 6-7. Man Zags needs a new tape measure.
As soon as I posted, I knew you would jump all over that! ha!
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Welcome aboard Chris!! I trust Lavin and staff regardless of rankings.
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Welcome aboard Chris!! I trust Lavin and staff regardless of rankings.
+1,000
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
Also hope posters notice no mention of Wood.
Yeah, but if this kid is REALLY 6'7 220 now, this was a no-brainer.
This was SUPPOSED to be uner Moose's "zag's tape measue" comment. Sorry.
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I have never seen this kid, but feel fine about him joining us. IMO, he appears to have the athleticism and size to compete down the road in the BE. The recruitment of Max Hooper, on the other hand, had more to do with making JaKarr happy than potential. I know Max can shoot, but I just don't see him succeeding in an up temp style in a rugged league. Hope I am wrong on this. My gut tells me Jones will get the job done, if he is willing to wait his turn.
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I have never seen this kid, but feel fine about him joining us. IMO, he appears to have the athleticism and size to compete down the road in the BE. The recruitment of Max Hooper, on the other hand, had more to do with making JaKarr happy than potential. I know Max can shoot, but I just don't see him succeeding in an up temp style in a rugged league. Hope I am wrong on this. My gut tells me Jones will get the job done, if he is willing to wait his turn.
+1
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“@AdamZagoria: Christian Jones Talks St. John's Commitment http://t.co/XkoVKrln (http://t.co/XkoVKrln)”
Now he's 6-7. Man Zags needs a new tape measure.
in another month he will referred to on our sites as a 6ft11 245 pound kevin garnett clone :)
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I have never seen this kid, but feel fine about him joining us. IMO, he appears to have the athleticism and size to compete down the road in the BE. The recruitment of Max Hooper, on the other hand, had more to do with making JaKarr happy than potential. I know Max can shoot, but I just don't see him succeeding in an up temp style in a rugged league. Hope I am wrong on this. My gut tells me Jones will get the job done, if he is willing to wait his turn.
I REALLY have no problem with this type of kid as the 11th-12th-13th guy on the bench. His size and atheleticism helps the team, even if he never sees more than garbage minutes. How much faster would Mo and Gift and Amir have progressed last year if they'd had THIS kid with his size and bulk to bang against in practice all year, instead of Sam Sealy?
And I think folks are getting cofused with the "only had offers from Auburn and Ok State". There's no doubt in my mind those were his only major conference offers, not his only offers. There are over 350 Division 1 schools. I think, JUST based on the highlight clips, there are 175 of those that would be THRILLED to have landed this kid as their PRIMARY recruit.
Every year in the dance there's a low D-1 team that thows a scare into a top team, maybe even knocks one off. They do it with kids like this - under the radar kids, late developing kids. I remember Hampton making waves a few years ago with a three kids who'd gone under the radar. A big kid named Tarvis Williams led D-1 in shot blocking that year, PG Marsellius Brown, and SG Tommy Adams gave them an OUTSTANDING backcourt. A 15 seed knocked off 2-seed Iowa State. Those kids could have played for any D-1 team. Maybe not at 3 and 4 year starters, but as contributors.
There are TONS of GOOD ballplayers outside the "top 150" rankings. Just think about it. 350+ D 1 teams. 13 rides per team. That means there's a turnover of 3.25 players per team per year (yes, this is simplified math - not meant to be specific, just to give a general perception). In other words, there are nearly 1,200 scholarship-level D-1 players entering college EACH YEAR. At the top 50 schools alone, there are 162. If EVERY top 150 player in the senior class went to JUST that seasons NCAA tourney teams, those 68 schools would STILL have to find SEVENTY ONE more freshman to fill up their rosters - and that would leave almost THREE HUNDRED D-1 Schools to fill their entire quota's - nearly A THOUSAND additional d-1 scholarship non-top 150 players.
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Forgetting for a minute that he's not "under the radar", he's not even on the radar. (Zero stars from Rivals)
But why a combo forward? I trust the staff. But I really think if we were going to take an under the radar player with a big upside to round out the roster, we need a backup pg or true center more than another combo guy.
I'm not against taking chances. I just think this roster isn't entirely balanced. If you want to keep the athletic, good defense theme going, that's fine... I like having a team of thorough-breads, but then go grab a bouncy kid who can dribble as your 13th scholarship. We don't have very many ballhandlers. That would fill a need.
But, all my b*&ching aside, I do trust the staff. So let's just wait and see how this turns out. I do find it puzzling though.
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I have never seen this kid, but feel fine about him joining us. IMO, he appears to have the athleticism and size to compete down the road in the BE. The recruitment of Max Hooper, on the other hand, had more to do with making JaKarr happy than potential. I know Max can shoot, but I just don't see him succeeding in an up temp style in a rugged league. Hope I am wrong on this. My gut tells me Jones will get the job done, if he is willing to wait his turn.
Hooper is a 3 pt specialist. Might be better at shooting the 3 then D LO. There are going to be times when that skill is going to come in handy. I think people are overrating athleticism. Chris Mullin would be one of the worse athletes on the team, but the best BB player.
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I have never seen this kid, but feel fine about him joining us. IMO, he appears to have the athleticism and size to compete down the road in the BE. The recruitment of Max Hooper, on the other hand, had more to do with making JaKarr happy than potential. I know Max can shoot, but I just don't see him succeeding in an up temp style in a rugged league. Hope I am wrong on this. My gut tells me Jones will get the job done, if he is willing to wait his turn.
Hooper is a 3 pt specialist. Might be better at shooting the 3 then D LO. There are going to be times when that skill is going to come in handy. I think people are overrating athleticism. Chris Mullin would be one of the worse athletes on the team, but the best BB player.
Think the comparison for Lavin would be Billy Knight, part of his first recruiting class along with OTHER guards/wings Baron Davis, Earl Watson, Schea Cotton, Rico Hines, Todd Ramasaar, and transfer Moose Bailey. Billy was the UNRANKED player among those SEVEN players (yes, snide comment by me re some posts on unbalanced recruiting). He was perceived as slow, and unathletic. But as a redshirt Junior Billy won a starting spot halfway thru the season, and as a senior was the starting SG - averaging over 14 a game - a career 41% 3 pt shooter. Never made the League, but had a nice pro career anyway, including several years with the Globetrotters.
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Not sure what this means, but passing it along. it was posted at 3pm ET.
Hopefully it has nothing to do w SJU.
“@TooRealC_Jones: Big set back”
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Not sure what this means, but passing it along. it was posted at 3pm ET.
Hopefully it has nothing to do w SJU.
“@TooRealC_Jones: Big set back”
Very interesting...
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Late signees generally have issues with their academics. I'm not sure if this is the case with Jones, but I always question why guys don't sign with teams by the end of the signing period.
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Sometimes I wish they would ban twitter...
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Sometimes I wish they would ban twitter...
They do
Once the season starts :)
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
No indication it's even hoops related. Could be about some girl for all we know :)
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
Oh. And uh-oh!
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
No indication it's even hoops related. Could be about some girl for all we know :)
Where did I say it was hoops related?
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
No indication it's even hoops related. Could be about some girl for all we know :)
Precisely. How much did we speculate on Pelle's tweets?
This is why we should ban it...
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1382053 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1382053)
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1382053 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1382053)
Content?
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Who was the tweet from? Could even be referring to Lolo Jones the Olympian. Not sure our C Jones rates that high on the sports meter.
Its Christian's twitter page.
No indication it's even hoops related. Could be about some girl for all we know :)
Where did I say it was hoops related?
Not directed at you, Moose - just at the general board reaction. There are no surrounding tweets from jones on Twitter, and the recipent doesn't appear to be a teammate. Just reminding the folks could be about anything going on in an 18 year olds life....
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His advisor says;
“@UncleDreRozay: 2day is a great day @TooRealC_Jones leaves for St Johns to start summer school. 👍👍👍👍👍”
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His advisor says;
“@UncleDreRozay: 2day is a great day @TooRealC_Jones leaves for St Johns to start summer school. 👍👍👍👍👍”
Great news. Full team and all qualified. Should be fun this year with the massive depth improvement.
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Just a gut feeling, over time CJ will be an overachiever, who we will enjoy.
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Just a gut feeling, over time CJ will be an overachiever, who we will enjoy.
Agreed
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Welcome Christian!
“@TooRealC_Jones: Finally landed”
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Texas Hoops site from Rivals with an interview with Christian Jones on his commitment to SJU:
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1385293 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1385293)
Jones told SNY.tv that head coach Steve Lavin and the Red Storm coaching staff was a primary reason he chose St. John's over schools such as Oklahoma State and Auburn. Additionally, Jones looks to reunite with familiar faces. He will join guards and fellow Texans D'Angelo Harrison and Jamal Branch on the roster. Also on the team is guard Phil Greene, who played at IMG.
"They're fun, they're energetic, they get you going, and they're just overall good," Jones said. "When they're all together, we all had fun. And then their style of play, they're fast, they're up-tempo. That's how I came from. With IMG, that's how we were, real fast, they don't slow the ball down."
Jones is expected to suit up for St. John's in the fall as a combo forward. Physically, he was a power forward at Bowie, but his athleticism allowed him to defend small forwards and shooting guards. Jones is looking to see time as a small forward in addition to power forward because of his quickness.
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#STJBB Fans, please officially welcome Christian Jones (@TooRealC_Jones) to the family! Forms approved, been with the fellas for Summer II!
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Sure it is the usual stuff hastily put together, but to those who subscribe;
“@NYCHoops: Christian Jones says he's ready for the #BigEast. http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd (http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd) #STJBB #goredstorm #collegehoops”
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Sure it is the usual stuff hastily put together, but to those who subscribe;
“@NYCHoops: Christian Jones says he's ready for the #BigEast. http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd (http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd) #STJBB #goredstorm #collegehoops”
Link to the same story from July 14th that I posted a few posts ago.
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Sure it is the usual stuff hastily put together, but to those who subscribe;
“@NYCHoops: Christian Jones says he's ready for the #BigEast. http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd (http://t.co/sVDZ17Yd) #STJBB #goredstorm #collegehoops”
Link to the same story from July 14th that I posted a few posts ago.
Oops
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“@STJ_Basketball: Forward Christian Jones Rounds Out @STJCoachLavin's Eight-Man #STJBB Recruiting Class: http://t.co/5cOmrFz1 (http://t.co/5cOmrFz1)”
Formal announcement w rediculous recruiting rating again!
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“@STJ_Basketball: Forward Christian Jones Rounds Out @STJCoachLavin's Eight-Man #STJBB Recruiting Class: http://t.co/5cOmrFz1 (http://t.co/5cOmrFz1)”
Formal announcement w rediculous recruiting rating again!
Nice to finally see some high school #s on Christian. Again begs the question - how the heck does a kid who averages 12/5 on a nationally ranked team with SEVEN other D-1 signees, go totally unranked by the various recruiting organizatioins?
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“@STJ_Basketball: Forward Christian Jones Rounds Out @STJCoachLavin's Eight-Man #STJBB Recruiting Class: http://t.co/5cOmrFz1 (http://t.co/5cOmrFz1)”
Formal announcement w rediculous recruiting rating again!
Nice to finally see some high school #s on Christian. Again begs the question - how the heck does a kid who averages 12/5 on a nationally ranked team with SEVEN other D-1 signees, go totally unranked by the various recruiting
organizatioins?
That's an excellent question.
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Well- I'm glad to have Christian aboard and never saw him play, but 15 pts & 6 rebs
as a senior in HS dont scream top 150 ( I'd bet we've had walk ons that averaged better)
I can discount the reduced #'s (12.0/5.0) @ IMG as being in a stacked team so less minutes.
Stats dont say everything, but without knowing the intangibles (that our staff obviously does)
him not being ranked doesnt seem like a huge oversight.
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Also means it is impossible for evaluators to see and evaluate everyone. When you watch a game can you even truly evaluate more than one or two players? If you are trying to evaluate a particular player don't you basically need to keep your eyes on him all the time to see how and what he is doing even off the ball?
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thanks coach
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thanks coach
When you are called up from the practice squad then you can comment. :)
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Well- I'm glad to have Christian aboard and never saw him play, but 15 pts & 6 rebs
as a senior in HS dont scream top 150 ( I'd bet we've had walk ons that averaged better)
I can discount the reduced #'s (12.0/5.0) @ IMG as being in a stacked team so less minutes.
Stats dont say everything, but without knowing the intangibles (that our staff obviously does)
him not being ranked doesnt seem like a huge oversight.
Sure some walkons might have averged that. But doesnt guarantee them getting a ship.
Thats 1 less basket and one less rebound in presumably less minutes vs. better competition at IMG. Too many factors you can make assumptions on without watching full games. What kind of offense was run? Did they have chucking happy guards? Was he double teamed a lot? Blowouts where minutes might be reduced?
I agree its unsual that he was not recruited at all. Even academic risks are recruited.
Interesting note Jones played D-Lo and D-Lo's had 29 in his teams win.
http://www.maxpreps.com/contests/zvDbfm7QcUibGaT679aIdg/basketball-winter-10-11/boxscore-bowie-arlington-vs-fort-bend-dulles-sugar-land.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/contests/zvDbfm7QcUibGaT679aIdg/basketball-winter-10-11/boxscore-bowie-arlington-vs-fort-bend-dulles-sugar-land.htm)
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Well- I'm glad to have Christian aboard and never saw him play, but 15 pts & 6 rebs
as a senior in HS dont scream top 150 ( I'd bet we've had walk ons that averaged better)
I can discount the reduced #'s (12.0/5.0) @ IMG as being in a stacked team so less minutes.
Stats dont say everything, but without knowing the intangibles (that our staff obviously does)
him not being ranked doesnt seem like a huge oversight.
According to Maxpreps http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm) Nerlens Noel averaged 12 pts and 7 rebounds this past season at Tilton.
Our own Amir Garrett averaged 12 pts and 5 rebounds at Findlay Prep.
Other IMG teammates - Jordan Dickerson is going to SMU to play for Larry Brown after a 10pt/8reb year at IMG. It looks like OK State commit Kamari Murphy averaged 13/7.
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Well- I'm glad to have Christian aboard and never saw him play, but 15 pts & 6 rebs
as a senior in HS dont scream top 150 ( I'd bet we've had walk ons that averaged better)
I can discount the reduced #'s (12.0/5.0) @ IMG as being in a stacked team so less minutes.
Stats dont say everything, but without knowing the intangibles (that our staff obviously does)
him not being ranked doesnt seem like a huge oversight.
According to Maxpreps http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm) Nerlens Noel averaged 12 pts and 7 rebounds this past season at Tilton.
Our own Amir Garrett averaged 12 pts and 5 rebounds at Findlay Prep.
Other IMG teammates - Jordan Dickerson is going to SMU to play for Larry Brown after a 10pt/8reb year at IMG. It looks like OK State commit Kamari Murphy averaged 13/7.
I was going to use Noel too but Blocks set him apart. Good job finding the others.
Rivals used to have stats on their pages but I spot checked a few and didnt see any.
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Well- I'm glad to have Christian aboard and never saw him play, but 15 pts & 6 rebs
as a senior in HS dont scream top 150 ( I'd bet we've had walk ons that averaged better)
I can discount the reduced #'s (12.0/5.0) @ IMG as being in a stacked team so less minutes.
Stats dont say everything, but without knowing the intangibles (that our staff obviously does)
him not being ranked doesnt seem like a huge oversight.
According to Maxpreps http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/7T4_J5xWREOBs3wklmWk-Q/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-nerlens-noel.htm) Nerlens Noel averaged 12 pts and 7 rebounds this past season at Tilton.
Our own Amir Garrett averaged 12 pts and 5 rebounds at Findlay Prep.
Other IMG teammates - Jordan Dickerson is going to SMU to play for Larry Brown after a 10pt/8reb year at IMG. It looks like OK State commit Kamari Murphy averaged 13/7.
I was going to use Noel too but Blocks set him apart. Good job finding the others.
Rivals used to have stats on their pages but I spot checked a few and didnt see any.
Unfortunately the recruiting Gurus have migrated away from reporting stats. In evaling kids, they report on body type, explosiveness, length, "feel" - a lot of stuff that while measureable, is really in the eye of the beholder. If if they're a guru with a good track record, I have no problem with that. It's just it's gone to the EXTREME - stats DO have a place in recruiting. Yes you have to put them in perspective, mitigate them with a lot of other factors. But a Noel, supposedly the NUMBER ONE recruit in the country at 6'10, only pulls down 7 boards a game? Sorry - that's a major red flag. Maybe it means you have to more for those mitigating circumstances, but a red flag nonetheless. What REALLY ticks me off is that you can almost NEVER find one of the MOST important high school stats: Free Throw Percentage. The one stat that really (statistically) doesn't change from HS to College. The shot is 15 feet way at a 10 foot hoop no matter what level you're playing at once you hit middle school. In addition to being a relative constant, a strong FT% also is an indication of a decent midrange shot. I get so tired of getting my hopes up over some supposed great scoring guard or wing, and have him show up with no midrange game, and a bricklayer at the line. If someone had told me the kid hit 53% FTs in high school, rather than that he was "long and explosive with great feel", I'd have had a better idea what to expect!
End of rant :)
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Put aside the rankings for a sec, my guess is there was some good interest in him.
By not being ranked and having his recruitment end so late when so many of recruiting gurus are focused on the upcoming summer AAU events that makes it is easy to get overlooked. My guess is the interest from schools like Auburn and Okie St was legit and probably ran deeper. Also he was probably a late qualifier which may have held off other offers.
Also if you remember a few months ago Lavin tweeted how he and Chiles were recruiting in Florida. We all assumed he or Chiles were trying to see Morris. In retrospect it was probably Jones.
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Put aside the rankings for a sec, my guess is there was some good interest in him.
By not being ranked and having his recruitment end so late when so many of recruiting gurus are focused on the upcoming summer AAU events that makes it is easy to get overlooked. My guess is the interest from schools like Auburn and Okie St was legit and probably ran deeper. Also he was probably a late qualifier which may have held off other offers.
Also if you remember a few months ago Lavin tweeted how he and Chiles were recruiting in Florida. We all assumed he or Chiles were trying to see Morris. In retrospect it was probably Jones.
They were watching Morris though. Chiles said he was going to Jacksonville to watch a shooter. And Jax isn't near Bradenton.
Fair point about this years recruitment, its fair to just wonder this day in age with technology, Max Preps, YouTube, Rivals, yadda yadda where was the chatter last year. When you google him you would think you run into a local paper story here or there. No?
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Put aside the rankings for a sec, my guess is there was some good interest in him.
By not being ranked and having his recruitment end so late when so many of recruiting gurus are focused on the upcoming summer AAU events that makes it is easy to get overlooked. My guess is the interest from schools like Auburn and Okie St was legit and probably ran deeper. Also he was probably a late qualifier which may have held off other offers.
Also if you remember a few months ago Lavin tweeted how he and Chiles were recruiting in Florida. We all assumed he or Chiles were trying to see Morris. In retrospect it was probably Jones.
They were watching Morris though. Chiles said he was going to Jacksonville to watch a shooter. And Jax isn't near Bradenton.
Fair point about this years recruitment, its fair to just wonder this day in age with technology, Max Preps, YouTube, Rivals, yadda yadda where was the chatter last year. When you google him you would think you run into a local paper story here or there. No?
I stand corrected I don't remember him mentioning the city.
Last year? Again a late bloomer. Kind of like Remi Barry (I know he was foreign). Probably got tipped off perhaps by an IMG coach and then did some evaluation and boom.
Remember the story about Barry. Some guy that Lavin had got to know in his UCLA days had his phone number and called Lavin shortly after he got the SJU job and was at a workout where Barry was in front of some coaches (he did not play that year because of Cali transfer rules) and the guy essentially told Coach to get out there and see this kid. And suddenly the kid is being recruited by Arizona St, UCLA and SJU.
It happens. Barry wasn't ranked either.
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
PR nonsense
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
PR nonsense
What a tease
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
I think it was Clark in the Dark Francis who ranked us 8
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
I think it was Clark in the Dark Francis who ranked us 8
His dopey system rewards large #s of recruits in a given class I believe. Clark is a total tool and weirdo!
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Put aside the rankings for a sec, my guess is there was some good interest in him.
By not being ranked and having his recruitment end so late when so many of recruiting gurus are focused on the upcoming summer AAU events that makes it is easy to get overlooked. My guess is the interest from schools like Auburn and Okie St was legit and probably ran deeper. Also he was probably a late qualifier which may have held off other offers.
Also if you remember a few months ago Lavin tweeted how he and Chiles were recruiting in Florida. We all assumed he or Chiles were trying to see Morris. In retrospect it was probably Jones.
They were watching Morris though. Chiles said he was going to Jacksonville to watch a shooter. And Jax isn't near Bradenton.
Fair point about this years recruitment, its fair to just wonder this day in age with technology, Max Preps, YouTube, Rivals, yadda yadda where was the chatter last year. When you google him you would think you run into a local paper story here or there. No?
I stand corrected I don't remember him mentioning the city.
Last year? Again a late bloomer. Kind of like Remi Barry (I know he was foreign). Probably got tipped off perhaps by an IMG coach and then did some evaluation and boom.
Remember the story about Barry. Some guy that Lavin had got to know in his UCLA days had his phone number and called Lavin shortly after he got the SJU job and was at a workout where Barry was in front of some coaches (he did not play that year because of Cali transfer rules) and the guy essentially told Coach to get out there and see this kid. And suddenly the kid is being recruited by Arizona St, UCLA and SJU.
It happens. Barry wasn't ranked either.
Actually, if you read (that's reed, not red) the official announcement, they note in the story that Christian and Jamal Branch were AAU teammates in high school in Texas. I'd guess Branch was the original "blip on the radar" for Jones.
Also, with the uncertainly on true bigs Chandler and Obekpa earlier in the year, there's a good chance the staff took another look at 7'0 Jordan Dickerson this past spring - Jones teammate at IMG. Could easily have gotten an eyeful, as Jones was the higher scorer for IMG, and almost as strong on the boards.
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Where is our school ranked 8 for 2012 class
I think it was Clark in the Dark Francis who ranked us 8
Moose, I can't tell... are people thinking #8 is too high for us? Figuring eligible transfers as well as frosh, our class is 2 top 50 recruits, a JC All American big, and two solid wings - an uber athlete 2 guard and a deadly outside shooting JC Wing. And just on size alone, Jones has value.
anywhere from 6-10 seems just about right to me. After UCLA, Kentucky and Arizona there's a considerable drop off in the top 10.
By the way - I don't think it's Clark's "dopey" way of ranking classes, I think Clark REALLY likes our 3 main guys - Obekpa, Sampson and Sanchez. Pulled this from a March Column at Hoopscoop: "best player was 6'9 Christopher Obekpa, who finished with 11 points, seven rebounds, and eight blocked shots and is clearly one of the fastest rising players in the senior class nationally. And, while we're not willing to mention Obekpa in the same breath with 6'10 Jr Nerlens Noel from Tilton (School) NH, who is the #3-ranked junior nationally by the HOOP SCOOP, the comparison is interesting, as in both cases their defense is why ahead of their offense, they both block shots like crazy, and, once they get bigger and stronger physically, their upside and potential are off the chart."
From another blurb on Hoopscoop re: Jakarr: "And to really illustrate the top heaviness of this event, six of our top eight-ranked 5th Year Players (Ledo McGary, Tarczewski, Davis, Sampson, and Niang), five of our top seven-ranked seniors (Muhammad, Jefferson, Anderson, Parker, and Bennett), and our top three-ranked juniors (Randle, Parker, and Noel) will all be on hand at this year's Hoophall Classic."
By the way - if Clark used the ranking system some others do, we'd be HIGHER than 8th. His rankings DON'T include mid season transfers - hence a top 50 talent (in Hoopscoops rating system worth 6 additional points) isn't counted. And the rankings were given before the Jones signing. He would likely allow an additional two pts - which means we'd be 3rd with 36 pts, not tield for 8th with 28 if Clark's ranking was as "dopey" as some others. Ky would be #1 with 40, UCLA #2 with 38, and SJU #3. Ky, Clark's current #2 would move in front, as they too have an elite mid-season transfer PG not being counted in THEIR total.
Yes, as you can tell, I'm having a bad "meds" day, and trouble sleeping! :)
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
Instead of Rothstein regurgitating what Lavin and other coaches tell him, a hard hitting question like you bring up would be 'earning his bucks'
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
Instead of Rothstein regurgitating what Lavin and other coaches tell him, a hard hitting question like you bring up would be 'earning his bucks'
Mint.
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
Instead of Rothstein regurgitating what Lavin and other coaches tell him, a hard hitting question like you bring up would be 'earning his bucks'
Mint.
I did have Chicken Scarpiello yesterday ;)
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
Instead of Rothstein regurgitating what Lavin and other coaches tell him, a hard hitting question like you bring up would be 'earning his bucks'
Mint.
I did have Chicken Scarpiello yesterday ;)
I had the Fried Calamari at Dominick's on Arthur Avenue, Mint.
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JR repeating his positive view of CJ. We will see.
“@JonRothstein: Remember the name Christian Jones. Not one of the Big East's most heralded freshman but he's a player. Terrific get by @STJCoachLavin.”
I fully believe it, because I'm a Lavin believer, but why do we know nothing about him?
Ask Rothstein? He usually answers. Dude eats like an animal. Angelo's on Mulberry is one of my personal favorites as well. Been a few years since I've been there.
Spedini, cold seafood salad, Meatballs, Chick'n Scarp, and Cheesecake- The JR special.
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“@STJ_Basketball: @JonRothstein: 20 Under-The-Radar Freshmen For The 2012-13 CBB Season --> including #STJBB's @TooRealC_Jones: http://t.co/nk81if1T (http://t.co/nk81if1T)”
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“@STJ_Basketball: @JonRothstein: 20 Under-The-Radar Freshmen For The 2012-13 CBB Season --> including #STJBB's @TooRealC_Jones: http://t.co/nk81if1T (http://t.co/nk81if1T)”
Our 3 man frontcourt is going to have returnees Gods Gift, Amir Garrett and Sir Dominic Porter. We're Adding top 40 prospects Jakarr Sampson and Chris Obekpa. And JC All America Orlando Sanchez. That's 6 players to make up 3 starters. And Rothstein thinks JONES could be the "top frontcourt reserve"?
Wow.
This is the 2nd Rothstein refeerence to "the burly 6'7 Jones" - but back on July 30th the reference was only that he had "the tools to be an effective piece of Lavin's puzzle". Now RR has moved him up from "puzzle piece" to "top frontcourt reserve"....
Makes you wonder where his tips on the subject are coming from....
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“@STJ_Basketball: @JonRothstein: 20 Under-The-Radar Freshmen For The 2012-13 CBB Season --> including #STJBB's @TooRealC_Jones: http://t.co/nk81if1T (http://t.co/nk81if1T)”
Our 3 man frontcourt is going to have returnees Gods Gift, Amir Garrett and Sir Dominic Porter. We're Adding top 40 prospects Jakarr Sampson and Chris Obekpa. And JC All America Orlando Sanchez. That's 6 players to make up 3 starters. And Rothstein thinks JONES could be the "top frontcourt reserve"?
Wow.
This is the 2nd Rothstein refeerence to "the burly 6'7 Jones" - but back on July 30th the reference was only that he had "the tools to be an effective piece of Lavin's puzzle". Now RR has moved him up from "puzzle piece" to "top frontcourt reserve"....
Makes you wonder where his tips on the subject are coming from....
Out of his rear end most of the time.
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“@STJ_Basketball: @JonRothstein: 20 Under-The-Radar Freshmen For The 2012-13 CBB Season --> including #STJBB's @TooRealC_Jones: http://t.co/nk81if1T (http://t.co/nk81if1T)”
Our 3 man frontcourt is going to have returnees Gods Gift, Amir Garrett and Sir Dominic Porter. We're Adding top 40 prospects Jakarr Sampson and Chris Obekpa. And JC All America Orlando Sanchez. That's 6 players to make up 3 starters. And Rothstein thinks JONES could be the "top frontcourt reserve"?
Wow.
This is the 2nd Rothstein refeerence to "the burly 6'7 Jones" - but back on July 30th the reference was only that he had "the tools to be an effective piece of Lavin's puzzle". Now RR has moved him up from "puzzle piece" to "top frontcourt reserve"....
Makes you wonder where his tips on the subject are coming from....
Have you noticed that at some point he hypes up every single program and says they could be a "breakout team"?
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“@STJ_Basketball: @JonRothstein: 20 Under-The-Radar Freshmen For The 2012-13 CBB Season --> including #STJBB's @TooRealC_Jones: http://t.co/nk81if1T (http://t.co/nk81if1T)”
Our 3 man frontcourt is going to have returnees Gods Gift, Amir Garrett and Sir Dominic Porter. We're Adding top 40 prospects Jakarr Sampson and Chris Obekpa. And JC All America Orlando Sanchez. That's 6 players to make up 3 starters. And Rothstein thinks JONES could be the "top frontcourt reserve"?
Wow.
This is the 2nd Rothstein refeerence to "the burly 6'7 Jones" - but back on July 30th the reference was only that he had "the tools to be an effective piece of Lavin's puzzle". Now RR has moved him up from "puzzle piece" to "top frontcourt reserve"....
Makes you wonder where his tips on the subject are coming from....
Have you noticed that at some point he hypes up every single program and says they could be a "breakout team"?
Yes and No. SHU fans were retweeting everyone of his tweets when he was tweeting observations from a summer workout at SHU.
Lots of positive stuff. Then when he put out his early Big East pre-season rankings he had SHU at 13 or 14, right at the bottom.
All the SHU fans were like "What the hell, I thought he loved us." They don't realize he tries to be positive in these observations but when it is time to make predictions he ultimately has to be realistic.
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
Or he could just be throwing something against a wall and if it works out he's golden.
Just saying......
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Makes you wonder where his tips on the subject are coming from....
Out of his rear end most of the time.
If I were a staff member, I'd float stuff like this to boost my 12th man's confidence, even if it were total crap.
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
This sounds similar to Greene last year.
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
This sounds similar to Greene last year.
Stith was also touted. That worked out well.
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
What makes you say that?
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
What makes you say that?
Coach Lavin is extremely good at finding adequate PT to keep his players happy. He's had McD All Americans who didn't start for him till their senior years, but still stayed all 4 years. Future NBA players who never got 15 minutes a game till their Junior years.
But I don't think that's a worry with Sir Dom. I think Dave's right - Jones likely does take minutes from Dom...AT THE PF SPOT that Dom had to play last year with 1 real post player on the roster. But Dom is potentially too strong a defensive force at the wing to lose TOO many minutes overall. All I know is, if I'm running a full court press (which I expect we will a good deal this year), I'd want Sir Dom on the court.
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Pointer is a warrior and not a malcontent. I too think he'll be improved and will earn his share of PT. love his fire and aggressiveness.
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
What makes you say that?
Coach Lavin is extremely good at finding adequate PT to keep his players happy. He's had McD All Americans who didn't start for him till their senior years, but still stayed all 4 years. Future NBA players who never got 15 minutes a game till their Junior years.
But I don't think that's a worry with Sir Dom. I think Dave's right - Jones likely does take minutes from Dom...AT THE PF SPOT that Dom had to play last year with 1 real post player on the roster. But Dom is potentially too strong a defensive force at the wing to lose TOO many minutes overall. All I know is, if I'm running a full court press (which I expect we will a good deal this year), I'd want Sir Dom on the court.
That was before the transfer pandemic began
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
Sleepers sometimes become studs... It all hinges on who has the eye for the talent.
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I'll say one thing though. Rothstein seems to be real high on Christian Jones who is one of our lowest ranked guys and toward the bottom of our roster on paper. As we know, what happens on the court is entirely different, but it is extremely encouraging that the guy with maybe the least expectations is being touted as a "sleeper". If that is in fact the case, we will be sooo deep with talent that it's not even funny and have a very good year.
Sleepers sometimes become studs... It all hinges on who has the eye for the talent.
Exactly. And with the horses that we have on the roster, a guy like this in addition makes us talented deep into the roster. Can't wait for the season.
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
What makes you say that?
Talent there, skill isn't, but a summer with Rico I believe will help in that area
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Don't be shocked if Jones challenges Pointer for playing time.
If that happens, I will also not be shocked when Pointer transfers home.
I really see pointer as much improved. Hopeful for a breakout season
What makes you say that?
Talent there, skill isn't, but a summer with Rico I believe will help in that area
I think he's a terrific athlete and a passionate defender. His jump shot showed no promise, but that doesn't mean he won't find it with hard work. He's the kind of athlete who could break out this year or next. It depends on work ethic. The staff is there is to show him what he needs. If he follows through he will be a star.
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I remember Postell's shot not looking the best. Not comparing the 2 as players but Postell worked his @ss off and got better and better.
I hope for the same type results.
I love Dom's D though. My best memory of him last year is him at the garden limping badly down the court getting back on D and him totally stuffing a shot by another player
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I love Dom's D though. My best memory of him last year is him at the garden limping badly down the court getting back on D and him totally stuffing a shot by another player
Shocked you remember something from the Garden last year ;)
BTW never got that text from you.....
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I remember Postell's shot not looking the best. Not comparing the 2 as players but Postell worked his @ss off and got better and better.
I hope for the same type results.
I love Dom's D though. My best memory of him last year is him at the garden limping badly down the court getting back on
D and him totally stuffing a shot by another player
Postell is the prototypical SJ player. The kind of guy you want 10 of.
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I love Dom's D though. My best memory of him last year is him at the garden limping badly down the court getting back on D and him totally stuffing a shot by another player
Shocked you remember something from the Garden last year ;)
BTW never got that text from you.....
only the 1st game of that holiday tourney or whatever it was that Im a little foggy. lol After that I was fine. At least during the game:)
Ted texted me about him looking for flights today. havent heard back about hotels etc yet
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He is not on the bottom of the roster trust me. He isn't the best but he will get minutes
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He is not on the bottom of the roster trust me. He isn't the best but he will get minutes
Good to see you enjoyed watching him and Orlando practice.
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No comment
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Well you know what I meant. Wasn't trying to back anyone into anything.
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As this season unfolds, we'll find out a lot more about Christian Jones. I'm hoping the biggest question about the kid gets answered at some point - how could he POSSIBLY fly THAT far under the radar. I mean, we've got a top 10 kind of recruiting class, yet we're reading multiple reports that Jones is the most impressive of the newcomers. Even allowing for 75% hyperbole, that still begs the question - how the heck did he go unnoticed? How could he have only 3 freaking offers? I've been following hoops for considerably more than half a century. You just don't see his combination of size, mass, agility, hops and atleticism all that often. I can MAYBE see major conference oversite. But there are over 340 D-1 schools. How could the coaches at least a couple HUNDRED schools have failed to offer this kid????
Since I have no actual FACTS :) , thought I'd list some POSSIBILITIES...
* Did he perhaps also play another sport, and scouts thought that would be the direction he'd pursue in college?
* Did he have some kind of lingering injury or illness that limited him that's since been addressed? Sometimes guys keep those things hidden, even from their coaches.
* Was he in his coach's "doghouse" for some reason - limiting his PT and on court opportunites, and sabotaging inquiries from scouts and college coaches?
* Was there another player on his team at his position who got the minutes and the attention?
* Could there be disciplinary issues?
* Are the scouts and coaches who saw him at IMG just stupid and blind as bats?
Any other theories out there?
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As this season unfolds, we'll find out a lot more about Christian Jones. I'm hoping the biggest question about the kid gets answered at some point - how could he POSSIBLY fly THAT far under the radar. I mean, we've got a top 10 kind of recruiting class, yet we're reading multiple reports that Jones is the most impressive of the newcomers. Even allowing for 75% hyperbole, that still begs the question - how the heck did he go unnoticed? How could he have only 3 freaking offers? I've been following hoops for considerably more than half a century. You just don't see his combination of size, mass, agility, hops and atleticism all that often. I can MAYBE see major conference oversite. But there are over 340 D-1 schools. How could the coaches at least a couple HUNDRED schools have failed to offer this kid????
Since I have no actual FACTS :) , thought I'd list some POSSIBILITIES...
* Did he perhaps also play another sport, and scouts thought that would be the direction he'd pursue in college?
* Did he have some kind of lingering injury or illness that limited him that's since been addressed? Sometimes guys keep those things hidden, even from their coaches.
* Was he in his coach's "doghouse" for some reason - limiting his PT and on court opportunites, and sabotaging inquiries from scouts and college coaches?
* Was there another player on his team at his position who got the minutes and the attention?
* Could there be disciplinary issues?
* Are the scouts and coaches who saw him at IMG just stupid and blind as bats?
Any other theories out there?
Witness protection program?
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As this season unfolds, we'll find out a lot more about Christian Jones. I'm hoping the biggest question about the kid gets answered at some point - how could he POSSIBLY fly THAT far under the radar. I mean, we've got a top 10 kind of recruiting class, yet we're reading multiple reports that Jones is the most impressive of the newcomers. Even allowing for 75% hyperbole, that still begs the question - how the heck did he go unnoticed? How could he have only 3 freaking offers? I've been following hoops for considerably more than half a century. You just don't see his combination of size, mass, agility, hops and atleticism all that often. I can MAYBE see major conference oversite. But there are over 340 D-1 schools. How could the coaches at least a couple HUNDRED schools have failed to offer this kid????
Since I have no actual FACTS :) , thought I'd list some POSSIBILITIES...
* Did he perhaps also play another sport, and scouts thought that would be the direction he'd pursue in college?
* Did he have some kind of lingering injury or illness that limited him that's since been addressed? Sometimes guys keep those things hidden, even from their coaches.
* Was he in his coach's "doghouse" for some reason - limiting his PT and on court opportunites, and sabotaging inquiries from scouts and college coaches?
* Was there another player on his team at his position who got the minutes and the attention?
* Could there be disciplinary issues?
* Are the scouts and coaches who saw him at IMG just stupid and blind as bats?
Any other theories out there?
Witness protection program?
That's pretty much what happened to Nuri after his 2nd brother and friend were murdered - they got him a 1000 miles out of Philly, and off the basketball courts for a couple years. But the scouts STILL found him, and still had him hyped as a "Major talent"...
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As this season unfolds, we'll find out a lot more about Christian Jones. I'm hoping the biggest question about the kid gets answered at some point - how could he POSSIBLY fly THAT far under the radar. I mean, we've got a top 10 kind of recruiting class, yet we're reading multiple reports that Jones is the most impressive of the newcomers. Even allowing for 75% hyperbole, that still begs the question - how the heck did he go unnoticed? How could he have only 3 freaking offers? I've been following hoops for considerably more than half a century. You just don't see his combination of size, mass, agility, hops and atleticism all that often. I can MAYBE see major conference oversite. But there are over 340 D-1 schools. How could the coaches at least a couple HUNDRED schools have failed to offer this kid????
Since I have no actual FACTS :) , thought I'd list some POSSIBILITIES...
* Did he perhaps also play another sport, and scouts thought that would be the direction he'd pursue in college?
* Did he have some kind of lingering injury or illness that limited him that's since been addressed? Sometimes guys keep those things hidden, even from their coaches.
* Was he in his coach's "doghouse" for some reason - limiting his PT and on court opportunites, and sabotaging inquiries from scouts and college coaches?
* Was there another player on his team at his position who got the minutes and the attention?
* Could there be disciplinary issues?
* Are the scouts and coaches who saw him at IMG just stupid and blind as bats?
Any other theories out there?
Witness protection program?
That's pretty much what happened to Nuri after his 2nd brother and friend were murdered - they got him a 1000 miles out of Philly, and off the basketball courts for a couple years. But the scouts STILL found him, and still had him hyped as a "Major talent"...
Nuri not in witness protection because he was a "shooter" for sure!
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Recent article mentioned that he was being recruited by baylor and Marquette.
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Recent article mentioned that he was being recruited by baylor and Marquette.
Jones had some strong programs after him. It looks like schools were late to the game. That's great. It's so refreshing to be on the lucky end of this. If he turns out to be a player, it could be the kind of push we need to be an NCAA team. If you notice, Lavin says he's good at everything. And when Lavin speaks, I listen.
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Recent article mentioned that he was being recruited by baylor and Marquette.
All of our targets seem to have Baylor after them
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Recent article mentioned that he was being recruited by baylor and Marquette.
All of our targets seem to have Baylor after them
They've certainly been successful lately, so I suppose that's a good thing if we win the recruiting battles against them.
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Fran knows his Texas boys;
“@franfraschilla: Watching Saint John's and though opponent was D-3, Arlington,TX native Christian Jones will be great addition. He's high energy 6-7 athlete!”
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With all recent frustration on board about Eligibility issues, can we agree staff deserves credit for this guy?
“@QSTJHoops: Lavin on Christian Jones: "Physically and mentally, he's just all there. He's built like a Sherman tank. #stjbb #LavinLines”
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With all recent frustration on board about Eligibility issues, can we agree staff deserves credit for this guy?
“@QSTJHoops: Lavin on Christian Jones: "Physically and mentally, he's just all there. He's built like a Sherman tank. #stjbb #LavinLines”
No we can't give credit.
Only complain.
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With all recent frustration on board about Eligibility issues, can we agree staff deserves credit for this guy?
“@QSTJHoops: Lavin on Christian Jones: "Physically and mentally, he's just all there. He's built like a Sherman tank. #stjbb #LavinLines”
No we can't give credit.
Only complain.
Self serving statement by an interested party-sorry just the lawyer in me. :)
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He looks great out there. If he can routinely hit that mid range shot it will be hard to keep him off the court. I have a slight concern that he wont be able to get it off against better comp.
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Will reserve judgment until I see a opponent with the caliber of at least my YWCA league. No joke, my corporate league would have beat Concordia by 25. I understand that we want to get these guys ready for game day expirience, but would rather scrimmage quality opponents (Georgetown scrimmaged UNC; Texas scrimmaged Davidson).
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Scrimmaging should not be about who a team plays but instead about just getting some live action. Whether it be a professional sport or college
it is about seeing what teams have that they thought they would, and what they think they can have. Neither of these games will give any more direction to about what kind of season we will have as a fan, and for coaches it is a chance to see some things that need to be worked on going into the season regardless of outcome. Even if we lost, it would be by no means any indication on talent, however it would just be blown up by media and fans as the sky is falling. We truly won't know what we have until December because of all the new faces, regardless of record come big east play.
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Will reserve judgment until I see a opponent with the caliber of at least my YWCA league. No joke, my corporate league would have beat Concordia by 25. I understand that we want to get these guys ready for game day expirience, but would rather scrimmage quality opponents (Georgetown scrimmaged UNC; Texas scrimmaged Davidson).
Posts like this crack me up. To be fair your corporate team would not by Concordia by 1 let alone 25.
Scrimmaging another school is fine. Usually there is a closed door scrimmage but nobody would get to see anything. In the past we have scrimmaged Drexel and a couple other teams.
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Don't sleep on my corporate team were 6-0 and definetly bigger than Concordia.
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Don't sleep on my corporate team were 6-0 and definetly bigger than Concordia.
How tall is your starting 5? ;)
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well, we'll know in a week if lavin has this team ready to play for the regular season. i happen to believe that the coach knows what he's doing, and that this team is for real. with or without all of its pieces. i think all three newcomers have a shot at the big east all freshmen team, and i hope that they get as many minutes as possible.
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Tallest is 6-6, couple of 6-4+ guys. A 6-2 pg and a 5-10 sg. Average age is in the 30's (probably because I lie about my age), but we are fierce.
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He looks great out there. If he can routinely hit that mid range shot it will be hard to keep him off the court. I have a slight concern that he wont be able to get it off against better comp.
I think Christian could well struggle against elite competition. Most frosh do :). But looking at the rosters of the schools on our schedules, I see very few elite 4s he'll be matching up with.
One of my main concerns was with his quickness. Knew he was strong, knew he could jump. Just assumed he wasn't quick. After the two exhibitions, I don't really have that concern. Not based on a comparison to the opposition, but on a comparison to his TEAMMATES. To Jakarr, to Amir, and to Sir Dom. I KNOW they have good D-1 quickness - and I don't see a huge drop-off when watching Jones. I think he's going to be able to match up with the vast majority of 4s out there, can be effective against smaller 5s, and even against "average" 3s.
Given his strength, and that midrange shot, I think he's going to easily replace Gift's 10/6 production from last year.
The one concern I have that hasn't really been addressed is attitude. And that may not be the right word. I always have a concern about kids who have talent, but weren't called on to PRODUCE in high school. As a UCLA fan, that concern has proved out numerous times. Lav's once signed the #1 SG in the country - shooting guard Ray Young, a McDonalds All American. Everyone kept telling me how great he was. But I'm a stat guy. When I looked him up, he'd averaged 15 pts a game as a high school Jr, and 14 as a Senior. After 5 years at UCLA, fans couldn't understand why the kid wasn't even a double digit scorer. And I kept posting, what in his past made you THINK he was a scorer? He'd never BEEN a scorer, that wasn't his mentality or "his attitude" toward the game. Same with a few years ago - Bruins got the #20 prospect in the country - a 6'10 250 lb center out of Texas. (This, by the way, is why I have concerns over Nerlens Noel!) - but in checking his stats, he'd never put up higher than 13 pts and 8 rebs a game. WTF is that??? You can look him up. J'Misson "Bobo" Morgan. 2 years at UCLA, transferred to Baylor, played one year, redshirted, will be a senior this year. His BEST year is that Jr year at Baylor - 3 pts, 2 rebs a game. He's got physical ability, but not the "attitude" to be productive....
I don't THINK that's going to be a problem with Jones. He looks more like the kind of kid with a bit of a chip on his shoulder 'cause he's been PREVENTED from being "the" guy - a player with the talent who's production is down because the coach had him defer to other players. I think Lavs has given him freedom on offense he didn't have in high school...
Just my opinion. It's the time of year for rose-colored speculation!
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you could also point to jordan. wasn't much of a scorer in college...relatively speaking, of course. the running joke at the time was who was the only person who can keep jordan under 20...dean smith. so u may be right about his coach holding him back. but early indication is he is a good fit on this team. still some question marks. but i think coach is sincere when he praises this kid. he'll be fine. again, can't wait for the season to start. haven't been this excited going into the season for a long while.
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You all have to realize that, as was the case with GG last season, Jones is playing against lesser competition thus far than he's played against his prior level. GG was killing the scrub teams we faced early last year, because that was equal or less than the talent he had competed against. Things will change as the competition increases. I don't trust freshmen.
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You all have to realize that, as was the case with GG last season, Jones is playing against lesser competition thus far than he's played against his prior level. GG was killing the scrub teams we faced early last year, because that was equal or less than the talent he had competed against. Things will change as the competition increases. I don't trust freshmen.
I have to disagree. Yes, he had some big games against Pan American and William and Mary. But he also had 18pts 10 rebs against National Champion Kentucky. 20pts 7 rebs vs. Marquette. 17 pts against Pittsburg. Was at or above his scoring or rebounding averages against Rutgers, Syracuse, Depaul, Fordham, Cincy, South Florida, Providence, Notre Dame and West Virginia.
And most of what we saw from Gift was phyical - he was stronger than a lot of players he went against. Jones will have that advantage as well, plus superior hops and (from what I've seen) superior quickness. Plus what looks to be a consistent midrange shot. And actual basketball skills - in two games I've seen him feed the post effectively 5 times. That's 5 times more than I saw ANY big feed it last year! :)
Not predicting a GREAT season. But Gifts near 10pts and 5+ boards should be well within his wheelhouse....plus a few more assists, steals and blocks than GIft gave us (9 total assists, 14 steals, 27 blocks on the year)....
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also keep in mind that he's going against quality opposition in practice everyday. now we don't see that...but coach does. obviously doing well against sampson and sanchez. we won't know for sure until the season starts, but as far as preliminary projections are concerned...who's a better analyst than lavin?
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also keep in mind that he's going against quality opposition in practice everyday. now we don't see that...but coach does. obviously doing well against sampson and sanchez. we won't know for sure until the season starts, but as far as preliminary projections are concerned...who's a better analyst than lavin?
That was MY bad - I meant to point that fact out. The staff has said Jones has been the best and most consistent of the bigs in practice. You would assume that means he's outperforming (or at worst, managing to "shine while working against) Samspon, Garrett, and Sanchez. And I' not sure how often in our schedule he's going to face a team with BETTER players than those 3....
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You all have to realize that, as was the case with GG last season, Jones is playing against lesser competition thus far than he's played against his prior level. GG was killing the scrub teams we faced early last year, because that was equal or less than the talent he had competed against. Things will change as the competition increases. I don't trust freshmen.
I have to disagree. Yes, he had some big games against Pan American and William and Mary. But he also had 18pts 10 rebs against National Champion Kentucky. 20pts 7 rebs vs. Marquette. 17 pts against Pittsburg. Was at or above his scoring or rebounding averages against Rutgers, Syracuse, Depaul, Fordham, Cincy, South Florida, Providence, Notre Dame and West Virginia.
And most of what we saw from Gift was phyical - he was stronger than a lot of players he went against. Jones will have that advantage as well, plus superior hops and (from what I've seen) superior quickness. Plus what looks to be a consistent midrange shot. And actual basketball skills - in two games I've seen him feed the post effectively 5 times. That's 5 times more than I saw ANY big feed it last year! :)
Not predicting a GREAT season. But Gifts near 10pts and 5+ boards should be well within his wheelhouse....plus a few more assists, steals and blocks than GIft gave us (9 total assists, 14 steals, 27 blocks on the year)....
CR did you see the Kentucky game? They were toying with him. He had his shot blocked over and over. The game was a blowout and he scored points much like a fifth grader would against his high school cousin. It wasn't even a game after five minutes. I also vehemently disagree that GG was physical. Yes, he is built like a truck, but his strength does not carry over to the court. If anything he was a finesse player. He has horrible hands and he should have never seen the court for more than 10-15 mpg last year. I think he could have been great in a limited role.
STJ fans tend to be irrational with expectations of new players. Jones is not a kid that should be playing extended minutes at this point in his career. If Lavin has to overextend his role like GG last year, we are in trouble. This team needs Orlando Sanchez to play 20-25 minutes per game.
I'm happy with C Jones thus far, but thinking this kid will consistently produce as a freshman against high major teams is foolish.
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STJ fans tend to be irrational with expectations of new players. Jones is not a kid that should be playing extended minutes at this point in his career. If Lavin has to overextend his role like GG last year, we are in trouble. This team needs Orlando Sanchez to play 20-25 minutes per game.
I'm happy with C Jones thus far, but thinking this kid will consistently produce as a freshman against high major teams is foolish.
Not just STJ fans. ALL FANBASES do that.
As for STJ they have a propensity for saying many negative things about players ;)
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You all have to realize that, as was the case with GG last season, Jones is playing against lesser competition thus far than he's played against his prior level. GG was killing the scrub teams we faced early last year, because that was equal or less than the talent he had competed against. Things will change as the competition increases. I don't trust freshmen.
I have to disagree. Yes, he had some big games against Pan American and William and Mary. But he also had 18pts 10 rebs against National Champion Kentucky. 20pts 7 rebs vs. Marquette. 17 pts against Pittsburg. Was at or above his scoring or rebounding averages against Rutgers, Syracuse, Depaul, Fordham, Cincy, South Florida, Providence, Notre Dame and West Virginia.
And most of what we saw from Gift was phyical - he was stronger than a lot of players he went against. Jones will have that advantage as well, plus superior hops and (from what I've seen) superior quickness. Plus what looks to be a consistent midrange shot. And actual basketball skills - in two games I've seen him feed the post effectively 5 times. That's 5 times more than I saw ANY big feed it last year! :)
Not predicting a GREAT season. But Gifts near 10pts and 5+ boards should be well within his wheelhouse....plus a few more assists, steals and blocks than GIft gave us (9 total assists, 14 steals, 27 blocks on the year)....
CR did you see the Kentucky game? They were toying with him. He had his shot blocked over and over. The game was a blowout and he scored points much like a fifth grader would against his high school cousin. It wasn't even a game after five minutes. I also vehemently disagree that GG was physical. Yes, he is built like a truck, but his strength does not carry over to the court. If anything he was a finesse player. He has horrible hands and he should have never seen the court for more than 10-15 mpg last year. I think he could have been great in a limited role.
STJ fans tend to be irrational with expectations of new players. Jones is not a kid that should be playing extended minutes at this point in his career. If Lavin has to overextend his role like GG last year, we are in trouble. This team needs Orlando Sanchez to play 20-25 minutes per game.
I'm happy with C Jones thus far, but thinking this kid will consistently produce as a freshman against high major teams is foolish.
Not sure where you're going with this discussion Marillac - you seem to be emphasizing MY point that Christian should pretty easily make up for the near 10 pts and 6 rebs that the Soft, Finesse, Horrible hands Gift was able to put up for us last year....
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
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I don't keep count but I think Rothstein has about 5 or 6 X factors on every team.
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
Exactly! the body english during last nights games screamed Let me out!
::) I don't care (Cuz I don't PLAY)
I also question why not give him a go since sampson struggle all night and fouled out and then you insert Bourgault :-\ who is playing well below any standard that I thought he would after all he press he got in media during preseason.
I'm just sayin
Might be selfish but I hope Dunlap gets Fired and runs back to Queens! ASAP!!! ;)
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
Might be selfish but I hope Dunlap gets Fired and runs back to Queens! ASAP!!! ;)
Honestly, it might not be out of the question the way the Bobcats are playing.
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Dunlop has a guaranteed contract meaning he gets paid full freight if fired. Why would anyone even think that if fired he would accept job at SJU when he could relax for a year or more without working. Every dollar he would make here would put nothing in his pocket and simply reduce what Bobcats had to pay him. And by the way, there is no room on current staff to take him on without firing someone. A more realistic scenario is to expect Mets to win both pennant and Series next year .
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
Exactly! the body english during last nights games screamed Let me out!
::) I don't care (Cuz I don't PLAY)
I also question why not give him a go since sampson struggle all night and fouled out and then you insert Bourgault :-\ who is playing well below any standard that I thought he would after all he press he got in media during preseason.
I'm just sayin
Might be selfish but I hope Dunlap gets Fired and runs back to Queens! ASAP!!! ;)
I think your post was in jest but jones did seem into the game from what I saw. Standing, cheering, and encouraging his teammates.
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
Exactly! the body english during last nights games screamed Let me out!
::) I don't care (Cuz I don't PLAY)
I also question why not give him a go since sampson struggle all night and fouled out and then you insert Bourgault :-\ who is playing well below any standard that I thought he would after all he press he got in media during preseason.
I'm just sayin
Might be selfish but I hope Dunlap gets Fired and runs back to Queens! ASAP!!! ;)
I think your post was in jest but jones did seem into the game from what I saw. Standing, cheering, and encouraging his teammates.
Saw same thing...I hope he gets another shot and takes advantage...I think he has skills
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Jon Rothstein ? @JonRothstein
Don't see Lavin all of the sudden giving him many minutes now that we're in Big East play but Rothstein seems to think he should.
A big key for @STJ_Basketball in the Big East? Getting more out of Christian Jones. Burly PF is an X-Factor. #stjbb
I'm more of a pf than him. My guess for first transfer announcement
Exactly! the body english during last nights games screamed Let me out!
::) I don't care (Cuz I don't PLAY)
I also question why not give him a go since sampson struggle all night and fouled out and then you insert Bourgault :-\ who is playing well below any standard that I thought he would after all he press he got in media during preseason.
I'm just sayin
Might be selfish but I hope Dunlap gets Fired and runs back to Queens! ASAP!!! ;)
I think your post was in jest but jones did seem into the game from what I saw. Standing, cheering, and encouraging his teammates.
I hope I'm wrong! :angel:
We NEED All hands on deck.