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St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on December 20, 2016, 03:49:57 PM

Title: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 20, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
We may catch a break. Tyler Lydon game time decision.

Nothing to lose here. Run, run and run some more.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 20, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
We'll be up to chuck up 3s at will against their zone. If we shoot like we did against Tulane, or last year against Cuse, we have a chance. If not, we could lose by 40 easily.

We'll be about 15 point dogs
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 20, 2016, 04:17:48 PM
We'll be up to chuck up 3s at will against their zone. If we shoot like we did against Tulane, or last year against Cuse, we have a chance. If not, we could lose by 40 easily.

We'll be about 15 point dogs

I think we need to push the issue, even on made baskets. Start 4 guards and either  Yakwe or Owens. And run. Take it to the basket, force it. Make them foul
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 20, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
We'll be up to chuck up 3s at will against their zone. If we shoot like we did against Tulane, or last year against Cuse, we have a chance. If not, we could lose by 40 easily.

We'll be about 15 point dogs
Agree. If this kid is out, and we guard 3 point line. Their is a chance. Also could lose by 50
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 20, 2016, 04:28:20 PM
We'll be up to chuck up 3s at will against their zone. If we shoot like we did against Tulane, or last year against Cuse, we have a chance. If not, we could lose by 40 easily.

We'll be about 15 point dogs

I think we need to push the issue, even on made baskets. Start 4 guards and either  Yakwe or Owens. And run. Take it to the basket, force it. Make them foul

Ideal offensive lineup would be Lovett, Ponds, Mussini, Ahmed and Owens/Yakwe. Perfect opportunity for Ahmed to be the guy that catches it at the foul line against their zone, face up and attack. The other three guards are spread out behind the 3 point line for Ahmed to kick it to. Owens/Yakwe waiting for a pass along the baseline near the basket.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 20, 2016, 04:30:43 PM
We'll be up to chuck up 3s at will against their zone. If we shoot like we did against Tulane, or last year against Cuse, we have a chance. If not, we could lose by 40 easily.

We'll be about 15 point dogs

I think we need to push the issue, even on made baskets. Start 4 guards and either  Yakwe or Owens. And run. Take it to the basket, force it. Make them foul

Boeheim's going to force us to make 3's all day. We will have a very hard time cracking that zone. We need to take it to the hoop and draw fouls just not sure how plausible that is for this team. Coleman has been there for like 10 years and we have no big bodies to deal with him.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 20, 2016, 05:31:07 PM
If we can stay within 5 on the boards and shoot 40% from 3 it can be a win.  The second is doable, the first unlikely,  Need to run and press and, to do so, need to rebound well.  Cuse not very good so we do have a chance if we somehow learned to play D in the last few days.  I am seeing an 11-12 win season based on some hot games from the guards. (I originally predicted 18 wins in my usual optimistic fashion.....I am unfailingly optimistic about SJU hoops and my golf game.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 20, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
If we can stay within 5 on the boards and shoot 40% from 3 it can be a win.  The second is doable, the first unlikely,  Need to run and press and, to do so, need to rebound well.  Cuse not very good so we do have a chance if we somehow learned to play D in the last few days.  I am seeing an 11-12 win season based on some hot games from the guards. (I originally predicted 18 wins in my usual optimistic fashion.....I am unfailingly optimistic about SJU hoops and my golf game.

11-12 win season? Who do you see us beating from here on ?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 20, 2016, 06:38:27 PM
Watching DePaul now (yes the game was yesterday) . They suck also.Don't think we sweep them though. Have seen a little of Syracuse, they aren't great and not that Athletic. This may sound crazy but this may be one of the winnable games we have left.
I love pressing and playing tough. However you can't do it with this roster. Lovett, ponds, and Ahmed need to play 30 plus. Huge drop off when they are on bench. (I know many of you hate Ahmed) still one of our better players.
If mullin wins 12 games- I will completely change my opinion of him. I think we beat DePaul at home and maybe providence. 7 wins
I think boheim gets some pay back. We lose 85-72 and make it a game for 30 minutes hopefully.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 20, 2016, 06:58:41 PM
Syracuse is weak on defense and they don't have their typical well rounded offense.
Still, I don't it's healthy to expect anything other than a blow out. We had a miracle last year.

The Dome is intimidating, and this is a pretty intimidated St.John's team.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 12:06:46 AM
No Mussini tomorrow. Elijah Ingram's Carrier Dome record is safe. That probably means that Holyfield will get some minutes.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 21, 2016, 12:21:34 AM
Mussini actually sick or something else going on?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marillac on December 21, 2016, 12:52:08 AM
If we can stay within 5 on the boards and shoot 40% from 3 it can be a win.  The second is doable, the first unlikely,  Need to run and press and, to do so, need to rebound well.  Cuse not very good so we do have a chance if we somehow learned to play D in the last few days.  I am seeing an 11-12 win season based on some hot games from the guards. (I originally predicted 18 wins in my usual optimistic fashion.....I am unfailingly optimistic about SJU hoops and my golf game.

11-12 win season? Who do you see us beating from here on ?

I'm confident you'll beat a few dead horses.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Section 9 on December 21, 2016, 05:42:42 AM
Mussini actually sick or something else going on?

In the hospital with an infection according to Zach
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: nudginator59 on December 21, 2016, 10:20:47 AM
Mussini actually sick or something else going on?

In the hospital with an infection according to Zach

It's confirmed he's out.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 21, 2016, 10:53:38 AM
If we can stay within 5 on the boards and shoot 40% from 3 it can be a win.  The second is doable, the first unlikely,  Need to run and press and, to do so, need to rebound well.  Cuse not very good so we do have a chance if we somehow learned to play D in the last few days.  I am seeing an 11-12 win season based on some hot games from the guards. (I originally predicted 18 wins in my usual optimistic fashion.....I am unfailingly optimistic about SJU hoops and my golf game.







11-12 win season? Who do you see us beating from here on ?

I'm confident you'll beat a few dead horses.






Cant predict who we will beat......it is a matter of playing good D and hitting from 3.....I believe the team will slowly improve defensively, they could not get any worse.....team was close early when playing some good teams, must learn to finish games, be consistent and win.  Unfortunately, when you start losing games, particularly those you should win, the confidence level plummets. The youngstesr will learn and improve, when is the question. As I said earlier, I am always optimistic.   
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 11:30:07 AM
Time to make some money on this team and take Syracuse -14
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 11:45:34 AM
Time to make some money on this team and take Syracuse -14
You finally gave up?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
Time to make some money on this team and take Syracuse -14
You finally gave up?

Not gonna win at the Carrier Dome with eight players. Not these eight players.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redmen not storm on December 21, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
 :up:
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: nudginator59 on December 21, 2016, 03:15:04 PM
Last time SJU won back to back at Syracuse was during Mullin's era...More magic tonight?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Lydon starting
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:08:29 PM
Shot clock violation smfh
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:09:21 PM
If nothing else they are solid at passing around the 3 pt line
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 07:09:22 PM
Anyone have the online stream?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:11:03 PM
If nothing else they are solid at passing around the 3 pt line

Lol. Ellison to Lovett to Ponds. Rinse repeat
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redmen not storm on December 21, 2016, 07:14:32 PM
what channel is the game on ?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:17:01 PM
what channel is the game on ?

YES
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
Ellison baker from the top of key was impressive. Not sure I ever saw that before
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redmen not storm on December 21, 2016, 07:18:07 PM
#$%^ing comcast...killing me
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: 0404 on December 21, 2016, 07:28:09 PM
We came to play tonight

Great bounce back so far from the last couple of disasters
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:28:14 PM
On fire!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Hitting them from everywhere!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:30:17 PM
Cuse frustrated. Let's get some quick baskets now
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:33:02 PM
Good drive on the hoop and harm for Ahmed
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:33:52 PM
We get the ball to Ahmed at free throw line we have a chance
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:35:04 PM
#$%^ing hate Syracuse
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Cuse has one timeout left with about 27 minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:39:15 PM
That is intentional
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:41:00 PM
damn Owens got posterized
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:42:24 PM
Thrilled we are winning. But this is ugly
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: upstate32 on December 21, 2016, 07:43:22 PM
I don't see Mussini on the bench?  Anyone know whats up with him?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:43:53 PM
Gone cold. Good timeout
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:44:03 PM
I don't see Mussini on the bench?  Anyone know whats up with him?
Sick , I think in hospital
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:44:37 PM
Gone cold. Good timeout
I like when he saves it , so we can run an ISO
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:44:53 PM
I don't see Mussini on the bench?  Anyone know whats up with him?

Think he is in hospital
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:47:42 PM
I like Owens
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:49:09 PM
This Syracuse team is terrible
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 07:49:33 PM
I like Owens

Plays his balls off
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 07:50:46 PM
This Syracuse team is terrible

They're bad but they'll make a run they gotta hold steady.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
Didn't work. But I like Ellison in high post
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 21, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
First 4 minutes of the second half are gonna be really important
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:01:11 PM
Happy we are winning. We need to get better shots. Already took 18's. This is not a great zone
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Cuse has no offense outside of Lydon. This is a winnable game but I still see a run coming.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
Colman is a horse
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:10:43 PM
Bring in Williams .
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
Ahmed!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: upstate32 on December 21, 2016, 08:12:36 PM
Ellison has done a tremendous job defending White tonight!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:12:55 PM
Ass hole took his last TO
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
Ahmed getting it done
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 08:13:30 PM
They let Coleman get those pts but now he's tired. Not in shape at all.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:13:38 PM
Still hate uconn more. But this would be great
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
Couldnt take following on gamecast...ran to local bar to watch 2nd half
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Mparty7441 on December 21, 2016, 08:14:43 PM
As someone who went to school just south of Syracuse, nothing makes me more happy than beating them.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:16:49 PM
Awful
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:16:57 PM
Like I said we got no one who can hang with Coleman. Hopefully he tire out or fouls out soon.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 08:17:16 PM
Great start, but man, box out. We can win this
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 08:17:57 PM
Stop gathering yourself. Just go up strong!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
Ponds is the man. Keep feeding the hot hand!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:19:51 PM
Freud about to get into double figures as I expected.

Kid's got more potential in one hand than Amar ever had.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:20:27 PM
Like I said we got no one who can hang with Coleman. Hopefully he tire out or fouls out soon.
Williams can try. He has 5 fouls to give . German kid is playing decent
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:21:03 PM
Rich looking great
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:22:39 PM
Trivia question wrong. We had another coach
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 08:23:12 PM
Ellison just hit two straight free throws I think I'm dreaming.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:23:34 PM
Like I said we got no one who can hang with Coleman. Hopefully he tire out or fouls out soon.
Williams can try. He has 5 fouls to give . German kid is playing decent

Yeah. Freud just needed more minutes and he's making the most of his time. Not sure why they're not using Williams but doesn't look like they need him tonight.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:25:22 PM
#$%^ing 2 on 1 and no points.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:26:30 PM
These refs suck
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:26:58 PM
German can't guard him
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 08:27:02 PM
Refs starting to call every ticky tack on us.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
These refs suck

I agree. Throw the challenge flag!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:28:51 PM
Could use a timeout
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 21, 2016, 08:28:57 PM
Big trouble now. Syracuse in the bonus not even 7 minutes into the half. Freud can't guard Lydon. We don't have the bodies to absorb foul trouble
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 08:29:56 PM
Williams in
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:30:01 PM
This Gillon kid is out of control.

SJU needs to step in and cut him off.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Cuse can't shoot free throws
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:30:09 PM
Cmon man we got this
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:31:43 PM
Is this kid related to derrick Coleman?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:32:31 PM
Cuse guards are awful
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:33:40 PM
Gotta hit these Ahmed
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:34:07 PM
Man them earn in it from free thro line
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 08:34:29 PM
Way to work Ahmed! Also, good job not going to the rack earlier in that play. Good patience.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:37:48 PM
Back breaker. Gametime!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:38:11 PM
Ahmed with the nasty stuff.

Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:38:16 PM
Williams 3 more to give. Ahmed looked like dom
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 08:38:44 PM
I know we gotta be careful not to get into so much foul trouble that Ellison is our center, but SU doesn't hit free throws.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
Ok im starting to feel it
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:39:36 PM
Beat them by 30. ACC punks
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:40:13 PM
19 pt lead stjohns
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:40:45 PM
Even if we feel good 1ce a year...ill take it...
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:41:18 PM
Nothing better than beating these punks.

Go Johnnies! 23 pt lead.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: 0404 on December 21, 2016, 08:41:35 PM
If I'm watching this team for the first time this year, I'm thinking this St. John's team is a fantastically coached young team. Crazy.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:41:38 PM
Lolololololol
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:41:42 PM
Beat them by 30. ACC punks

+1
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 08:41:53 PM
They're gonna stop scheduling us.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:41:57 PM
Syracuse imploding
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
Who is that next to Amar on bench?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:43:10 PM
They're gonna stop scheduling us.

Broke their will
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:44:00 PM
Who is that next to Amar on bench?

Some priest.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:44:43 PM
Player of the game is Ahmed. Breakout game. This is what we expected from him
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:45:10 PM
Who is that next to Amar on bench?

Some priest.

Black kid in red uniform lol?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:45:36 PM
Mullin has cuse's number
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
Who is that next to Amar on bench?
Some priest.

Black kid in red uniform lol?
They have added walkons
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:47:43 PM
Who is that next to Amar on bench?

Some priest.

Black kid in red uniform lol?

lol picked him up off campus before the game
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
Lovin me some Ahmed tonight. Playing like a man
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redstorm89 on December 21, 2016, 08:49:02 PM
pleasantly surprised. happy my prediction was wrong.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
AHMED with the RIM ROCKER!!!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:50:08 PM
Fckn Ahmed !
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
Ahmed with the phi slama jama
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:51:09 PM
Dunk fest. Fck Cuse.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:51:10 PM
A Johnnies Dunkfest!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:51:43 PM
Holyshitman.......31st pt blowout
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Everything going right. Get Ahmed out after this free throw
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:52:04 PM
We need to get up a 100
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: upstate32 on December 21, 2016, 08:52:07 PM
Lovett being a distributor tonight.  Love it!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:52:24 PM
Attack more!!!!!!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 21, 2016, 08:52:28 PM
This is glorious
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
Great momentum builder going into BE play.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: 0404 on December 21, 2016, 08:53:01 PM
What a rout!!!!!!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 21, 2016, 08:54:31 PM
This feels great as a fan and has to feel even better for the coaches and players!!!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:55:25 PM
Great momentum builder going into BE play.

No doubt. Some hope
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:55:54 PM
This feels great as a fan and has to feel even better for the coaches and players!!!

A big relief I would say
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 08:57:33 PM
Holyfield has been waiting to get in for weeks. Get this kid some burn
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: buckeyestorm on December 21, 2016, 08:59:41 PM
Largest sju win over cuse 35 in 1961.....wer have 35 pt lead
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 08:59:43 PM
Coles?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 09:00:21 PM
This is the greatest day of my life. Well, almost, but wow!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: fordham96 on December 21, 2016, 09:00:22 PM
Mullin set to resign after tonight.

Says beating Cuse 2 years in a row is enough to satisfy his coaching.

Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Mparty7441 on December 21, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
Amar Alibegovic is 3-0 in his career against Syracuse.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: goredmen on December 21, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
They can't make the excuse that Boeheim wasn't around for this one...
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: upstate32 on December 21, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Great effort and energy tonight!!  All around team win!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
Who would have thought the kid wearing a postle jersey that none of us ever hear of would dribble the game out winning by 30
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 09:05:53 PM
They can't make the excuse that Boeheim wasn't around for this one...
I won't
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: boo3 on December 21, 2016, 09:15:14 PM
So.....are we still firing Mullin?   Lmk.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
This game was honestly everything. Feel like a million bucks.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Acrimony on December 21, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
Baldi back on band wagon? Wow, hopefully this propelled us in the right direction.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
Baldi back on band wagon? Wow, hopefully this propelled us in the right direction.

Let's no get crazy.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Scheppy on December 21, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
I think manhandling the Cuse is much better win than Iona beating Santa Barbara

I am sure Baldi will have something negative he is always more happy when SJU loses.
Foad how was  the greatness of Coach Jim on display today.
Just shows the season is not total loss hope.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 09:28:31 PM
I think manhandling the Cuse is much better win than Iona beating Santa Barbara

I am sure Baldi will have something negative he is always more happy when SJU loses.
Foad how was  the greatness of Coach Jim on display today.
Just shows the season is not total loss hope.
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I think manhandling the Cuse is much better win than Iona beating Santa Barbara

I am sure Baldi will have something negative he is always more happy when SJU loses.
Foad how was  the greatness of Coach Jim on display today.
Just shows the season is not total loss hope.
Are you 9 years old or 90?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
I think manhandling the Cuse is much better win than Iona beating Santa Barbara

I am sure Baldi will have something negative he is always more happy when SJU loses.
Foad how was  the greatness of Coach Jim on display today.
Just shows the season is not total loss hope.

Dude watched the entire game and was positive what do you want from him?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: MCNPA on December 21, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
The game might not mean much in the long run, but beating Cuse 3 years in a row, and destroying them in the dome this year still feels great.   We are rebuilding, they aren't.  We absolutely ran them out and made it a dunk contest.  That kinda wins, especially vs Cuse doesn't get old nor less fun....
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: prjohnnies on December 21, 2016, 09:37:17 PM
Great win.  Great for team morale, too.  I know Cuse is down, but any win of that magnitude in the Carrier dome is a terrific win for the program and this young team.  Cuse is still Cuse with a terrific coach, huge home court advantage and top 50 kids all over their roster.  Certainly feels good after having watched in person the Penn State debacle.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: desco80 on December 21, 2016, 09:39:50 PM
Do we already have them on the schedule for next year?
I could see Cuse not continuing this series. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 21, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Only bad thing about this game that it was on Wednesday. Many of us should have been there
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Celtics11 on December 21, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
Amar Alibegovic is 3-0 in his career against Syracuse.
Need to find a way to get him a 5th year of eligibility.  :)  Never thought I would live to see the day we out alley ooped and out dunked the Cuse especially up in the carrier dome
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: RedStormNC on December 21, 2016, 10:35:40 PM
Post game quotes

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/122116aaf.html
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: kjd01067 on December 21, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Just got back from the game. What a great win! 3 in a row versus Cuse
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjdinkins on December 21, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
I was out dining in a restaurant, but the game was on a TV above my head.  The decimation of the Cuse became funny, as I laughed out loud a handful of times.  That was a thorough, ass-beating. 

It would be even better, if tonight's win could catapult this group.  I doubt it, but it would be fun if that were to occur. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on December 21, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
If anyone caught Lovett's second postgame live instagram they were talking about:

-If Syracuse would continue the series since we are on a winning streak
-Why Syracuse has "New Yorks Team" when they're from upstate, and some Binghamton jokes.

It was lovely.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 21, 2016, 10:53:09 PM
No Mussini tomorrow. Elijah Ingram's Carrier Dome record is safe. That probably means that Holyfield will get some minutes.

Poison was right. Holifield got minutes!! :)
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: oldfan on December 21, 2016, 11:12:49 PM
"New York's College Team"  my a$$.  Memo to Syracuse:   How's that ACC thing working out so far.
  I do wish them well for the balance of the season, because of their BE roots and their enormous role in building that league, but tonight, and any time they play a BE team, it is glorious pay back for helping to "kill" our league. The only issue is, we refuse to go away and be killed.

Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 11:14:13 PM
No Mussini tomorrow. Elijah Ingram's Carrier Dome record is safe. That probably means that Holyfield will get some minutes.

Poison was right. Holifield got minutes!! :)

And he isn't bad either!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: oldfan on December 21, 2016, 11:17:09 PM
No question that they will continue the series. It's in the Garden next year and, frankly, they , like us,  have a lot of real sportsmen running the ship.  They wont quit nor will we.  Tonight was lousy basketball but the games with them are almost always classics.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 11:17:26 PM
I was out dining in a restaurant, but the game was on a TV above my head.  The decimation of the Cuse became funny, as I laughed out loud a handful of times.  That was a thorough, ass-beating. 

It would be even better, if tonight's win could catapult this group.  I doubt it, but it would be fun if that were to occur. 

Why do you doubt it? Isn't the point of the pre-season to get ready for the real one? Season is alive again. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjdinkins on December 21, 2016, 11:19:44 PM
I was out dining in a restaurant, but the game was on a TV above my head.  The decimation of the Cuse became funny, as I laughed out loud a handful of times.  That was a thorough, ass-beating. 

It would be even better, if tonight's win could catapult this group.  I doubt it, but it would be fun if that were to occur. 

Why do you doubt it? Isn't the point of the pre-season to get ready for the real one? Season is alive again. Enjoy it.

I'll believe it when I see it.  Regardless, tonight's game was enjoyable.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: desco80 on December 21, 2016, 11:21:03 PM
"New York's College Team"  my a$$.  Memo to Syracuse:   How's that ACC thing working out so far.

They went to the Final Four last April.   Two Final Fours in the 4 seasons they've been in the ACC.   So... yea I think they're doing OK in their new conference.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 21, 2016, 11:22:15 PM
WHere are the pessimists today?  The process seems to be working.  Particularly like the distribution of minutes today with everyone contributing.  When Mussini and Amar are back the starters will play a little less which will be a positive.  GREAT WIN, I'm smelling some BE wins.  Butler will be interesting.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redmen4life on December 21, 2016, 11:31:51 PM
Great game. But let's be honest Syracuse looked awful. They clearly overlooked us. They had no energy, zone was horrible, and overall lacked effort. Big win for us, no doubt. And I hope we can use this as a catalyst.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 21, 2016, 11:36:42 PM
Great game. But let's be honest Syracuse looked awful. They clearly overlooked us. They had no energy, zone was horrible, and overall lacked effort. Big win for us, no doubt. And I hope we can use this as a catalyst.

"I can only coach one team" - Lou Carnesecca
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjdinkins on December 21, 2016, 11:41:34 PM
Great game. But let's be honest Syracuse looked awful. They clearly overlooked us. They had no energy, zone was horrible, and overall lacked effort. Big win for us, no doubt. And I hope we can use this as a catalyst.

How can a team who lost to an extremely mediocre Georgetown team and a crappy UConn team overlook anybody?  Frankly, the "overlook" term is trite, and player and fan speak.  I do agree Syracuse isn't worth a damn, but I doubt they overlooked us.

The other day, I said something is off with this particular Syracuse team.  Who cares?!  It's their problem.  We whipped their ass tonight, and it was enjoyable to watch. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Celtics11 on December 21, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
WHere are the pessimists today?  The process seems to be working.  Particularly like the distribution of minutes today with everyone contributing.  When Mussini and Amar are back the starters will play a little less which will be a positive.  GREAT WIN, I'm smelling some BE wins.  Butler will be interesting.
Hey we all hope we go on to bigger and better things. But why call people out? How's this for pessimism-last year after throttling the Cuse we went like 1-4,672. Let's just all hope things are different this year. Besides it Christmas time!
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 21, 2016, 11:50:45 PM
WHere are the pessimists today?  The process seems to be working.  Particularly like the distribution of minutes today with everyone contributing.  When Mussini and Amar are back the starters will play a little less which will be a positive.  GREAT WIN, I'm smelling some BE wins.  Butler will be interesting.

Pessimists or realists?

Either way, most of the same people have been posting
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: SJUFAN on December 22, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
Funny how much better the team looks when the ball goes through the net. Great win tonight. I just hope we tone down the staff can't coach talk. It's a young team and we still have holes to fill, but this is a system players will want to play in. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Lycidas on December 22, 2016, 12:05:20 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 22, 2016, 12:30:24 AM
Great game. But let's be honest Syracuse looked awful. They clearly overlooked us. They had no energy, zone was horrible, and overall lacked effort. Big win for us, no doubt. And I hope we can use this as a catalyst.

So if St. John's loses it's because they stink. If they win it's because other team stinks. You need to watch a Christmas Carol.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: QuanMan on December 22, 2016, 12:33:56 AM
Great game. But let's be honest Syracuse looked awful. They clearly overlooked us. They had no energy, zone was horrible, and overall lacked effort. Big win for us, no doubt. And I hope we can use this as a catalyst.

That's absolutely inaccurate. Every time they punched we punched back, and then when it was time we ran them out of their own gym.

Breakthrough game for Rich, expect him to improve even more over BE season. We all have seen this in his game since his 20 pt barrage in the scrimmage.

Malik's ascension from his injury last year to this point has been fun to watch. 22 against Penn St. and now his best all around game as a Johnnie tonight.

Over Malik's last 5 games : 13 ppg, 4.4 apg, 3.2 rpg while shooting 56% from the field.

Lastly, it feels great to be in the midst of a 3 year winning streak over Syracuse. Each win tastes better. Slowly but surely, we're coming along.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 22, 2016, 12:33:58 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Foad on December 22, 2016, 05:34:47 AM
I was out dining in a restaurant, but the game was on a TV above my head. 

If you were in a restaurant and there was a TV above your head you weren't dining, you were eating.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: 0404 on December 22, 2016, 05:38:00 AM
In 6 games in December, Ellison is averaging ~12-4-3 while shooting 54% from the field and 61% from 3 (11-18)
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Scheppy on December 22, 2016, 06:48:20 AM
Hopefully Ellison keeps on playing like this.

 When he hits the three and can drive to the hoop and finish like he can he is the perfect player for this team.
Great win and hopefully this will get people off Chris and Mitch back for awhile.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 22, 2016, 07:54:05 AM
Hopefully Ellison keeps on playing like this.

 When he hits the three and can drive to the hoop and finish like he can he is the perfect player for this team.
Great win and hopefully this will get people off Chris and Mitch back for awhile.

Ellison also rebounded. We need him on the glass.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: survivedc on December 22, 2016, 08:02:51 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

He's had the physical talent all along, happy to see it coming together, he's improving in leaps and bounds. Hope he keeps working on FT's, with his ability to get to the rack it will be very important down the line.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 22, 2016, 08:37:58 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

I agree w you on Ellison. We haven't seen the best version of him yet. But w Mussini, when he's out there, he gives the opposing team a wide open look. He wasn't the only doing that against Penn State and LIU, but he is simply limited physically. His minutes need to drop significantly. I would like to see him used the way Lavin used Max Hooper. If he's going to do one thing, and one thing only, we shouldn't throw him out there and hope that no one notices that he can't guard anyone.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: newsman13 on December 22, 2016, 09:07:11 AM
WHere are the pessimists today?  The process seems to be working.  Particularly like the distribution of minutes today with everyone contributing.  When Mussini and Amar are back the starters will play a little less which will be a positive.  GREAT WIN, I'm smelling some BE wins.  Butler will be interesting.
Just when you put this team in your back mirror they pull off something like this.  I scheduled a dinner party last night because I thought there was no use watching a debacle against Syracuse.  I'm thinking they can win half their remaining games.  I hate being an SJU junkie...hate it.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 22, 2016, 09:07:23 AM
I absolutely think it was beneficial not having either of those guys last night. I think Williams is ok. Decent shooter, but doesn't chuck like Amar. Teams will leave him wide open and he will score 4/6 a game.
Mussini helped us beat some of those bad teams. Without him we may not have 6 wins. His season is over in my opinion. Big east teams won't let him get a shot off.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 09:13:26 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

Mussini has to be wide open with his feet set. I do not think he is the best shooter on the team at all
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Foad on December 22, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
Syracuse recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: derk on December 22, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
The reality is we're not as bad as we showed against Penn State nor as good as we showed against Syracuse. The question is which of those games is closer to who we really are. It would be nice to double down against Butler and start a little BE streak.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 22, 2016, 10:01:38 AM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.

Mussini has to be wide open with his feet set. I do not think he is the best shooter on the team at all

That isn't true. He has a nice crossover, step back, he can hit consistently. Sometimes off 1 foot.

I think we have better shot makers than Mussini (Ponds) but he is the best shooter. Quickest release and purest stroke.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 22, 2016, 10:25:24 AM
Ellison has looked much better lately I must admit. As long as he stays under control and doesn't try to force things by making silly passes or turnovers then he should be a valuable piece to this team.

Rich is getting more comfortable every game as expected. His next step is to be more consistent from deep and convert at a higher rate driving to the hoop. The confidence is building and you see more glimpses of his talent every time out.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 22, 2016, 10:49:09 AM
Given Ellison's play Mussini's minutes will lessen but he is still an integral part.  With Ponds and Lovett penetrating he will get looks when he is in.  Ellison finally cut down his TOs, which is key.  Feud looking good, Amar minutes will be minimal going forward.  Love the way Freud moves the ball.   
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: newsman13 on December 22, 2016, 11:00:27 AM
Syracuse people released game highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Ol1glrW5Y
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: prjohnnies on December 22, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Foad on December 22, 2016, 12:25:05 PM
Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: TONYD3 on December 22, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?
Agree
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: prjohnnies on December 22, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
In games where those 4 are all shooting decently well, I agree that Rico's minutes should be very limited.   In games where Malik, Ponds, etc are struggling shooting the ball, and we need someone to knock down a three, I have no problem giving Mussini some burn for a few minutes at time.

Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Foad on December 22, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
In games where those 4 are all shooting decently well, I agree that Rico's minutes should be very limited.   In games where Malik, Ponds, etc are struggling shooting the ball, and we need someone to knock down a three, I have no problem giving Mussini some burn for a few minutes at time.

Fair enough. He's well-suited to being the eighth or ninth man.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Celtics11 on December 22, 2016, 01:40:57 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 
I will continue to root for all of our white players. Seriously though really wish you would get off this race BS.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Scheppy on December 22, 2016, 02:14:54 PM
Root for all the players the same regardless of the race.
I say something about Baldi - Celtics - comes down hard on me.
But somebody says something about race -its funny and nobody says anything
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: QuanMan on December 22, 2016, 02:18:26 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
Root for all the players the same regardless of the race.
I say something about Baldi - Celtics - comes down hard on me.
But somebody says something about race -its funny and nobody says anything


Lesson learned Scheppy. Don't mess with Baldi
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 02:23:21 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 02:24:55 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.


Don't read it, I don't normally read your posts or I would be able to accurately discuss what you bring to any conversation. I do think it is funny when simpleton's decree a post useless than take time out of their busy day to comment on said useless post. What then does that say about your post criticizing the usefulness of another post?
For their talent level, people spend way to much time discussing our 7 th, 8th and 9th men. Max Hooper had a 100 threads and so did the Marco kid whose name I can't be bothered to remember. And yes it is because some people would like to be able to root for a white kid. Judging by your reaction you might be one of those people.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 02:26:16 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: derk on December 22, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
Ellison has looked much better lately I must admit. As long as he stays under control and doesn't try to force things by making silly passes or turnovers then he should be a valuable piece to this team.

Rich is getting more comfortable every game as expected. His next step is to be more consistent from deep and convert at a higher rate driving to the hoop. The confidence is building and you see more glimpses of his talent every time out.

He still makes those long cross court passes which are easily picked
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 
I will continue to root for all of our white players. Seriously though really wish you would get off this race BS.

Half if it is to bust balls, but honestly do you think the combined talent of RF, Mussini and Amar equates to the number of times they are mentioned on these boards? Owens is way better than Amar, but who do you think has more threads about him? Why do you think that is exactly. In fact I bet there are more Mussini threads and mentions than Ponds. It is really hard to take anyone serious about basketball related stuff when they are constantly pimping guys at the end of the bench. If someone is going to post RF should play more and Ahmed should be benched-yes that has been posted, then how can you rationally challenge that?
It is either a Black vs White thing or someone is just really stupid thing?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Celtics11 on December 22, 2016, 02:39:09 PM
Root for all the players the same regardless of the race.
I say something about Baldi - Celtics - comes down hard on me.
But somebody says something about race -its funny and nobody says anything
Maybe if you stopped playing the victim and making everything about yourself you would have less to complain about. My post had zero to do with you. And hey, Baldi just called me out so F Baldi. Happy now?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: desco80 on December 22, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB


When men were men.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: desco80 on December 22, 2016, 02:45:11 PM
I'm concerned our shooting percentages are due to fall precipitiously.

Ellison for example was barely a 50% foul shooter last season.(I think 53%)  Now, he shoots better than 40% from three? 

Seems to me there is a regression to the mean coming up.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.

Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 02:58:31 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB
That place was literally the Wild West of the internet. Those were fun times with people throwing verbal bombs at each other every day
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: QuanMan on December 22, 2016, 03:14:21 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: prjohnnies on December 22, 2016, 03:25:17 PM
If we don't tighten up the defense, in those games, you will see more of the Penn St. result unless our guys become more effective at scoring near the basket/foul line in, whether in the half court or transition.  Maybe Ahmed develops into a more effective scorer from the foul line in, where I think he can be effective.  Maybe Freudenberg can show a bit of that later in the year?  Maybe Ponds, Lovett and Ellison take the ball more into the lane when the shots aren't falling?  Or maybe we defend/rebound a bit and get out on the break.  Right now, this team lives and dies by the 3.  I think we can win some games that way because we have much better shooters on this team than the past (even if Ellison regresses to the mean, I think Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and Mussini can knock down shots from that range at a decent clip, and perhaps Freudenberg starts to as well). 

I'm concerned our shooting percentages are due to fall precipitiously.

Ellison for example was barely a 50% foul shooter last season.(I think 53%)  Now, he shoots better than 40% from three? 

Seems to me there is a regression to the mean coming up.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 03:28:58 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Dude. Find you safe space and chill
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Yes that is what I did. Are you 7 years old?
That was what we call a joke Shirley.
For your benefit allow me to recap. Yes I think some on here are overly invested in the three white guys.  They get brought up way more than their talent dictates. And honestly to each his own. You like white guys, black guys, chicks with dicks, whatever. My point is it is hard to have a rational basketball discussion with people who aren't being honest with themselves. No RF is not better than Ahmad and Mussini is probably our 4th best guard. So I joke about the race thing and people who know deep down they are that guy get mad.

Now in your case I just think everything went over your head and you are just not that bright.

Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 22, 2016, 03:29:17 PM
Mussini is not Hooper.  Mussini can do far more than Hooper could.  Yes, Mussini is a weak defender, but he can handle the ball, get his shot off the dribble (though not regularly against quicker/bigger comp, at this point), and operate within the flow of an offense. 

Lavin didn't know how to use Hooper and I don't think most major conference teams could find a role for Hooper.  He fared better against mid major comp and playing with a PG who was a really good college player and could control the game at that level so that Hooper was able to get/make open looks, which outweighed the fact that he was a liability on defense and didn't bring anything else to the table.

There is a role for Mussini.  He is a streak shooter, like most, and when he's making shots off the bat he could be in the game and the team should find ways to get him looks.  When he comes out misfiring, he should head back to the bench until the team needs a burst or the opponent plays zone.

Ponds, Lovett, Ahmed and now even Ellison are all shooting 40 percent plus from three and all of them bring something else to the table. What do we need a fifth shooter for, one who brings nothing else to the table?






He brings good ball movement to the table and is a better pure shooter than anyone on the team.  When he is in he attracts attention because of his shooting ability which leaves More area for the other 3 guard to penetrate.  He is now the 4th guard thanks to Ellison's suddenly playing more intelligently but he will still get minutes via 3 guard offense and Elllsion playing the 3.  Id like to see him playing around 15 a game, more if he comes out hot. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: newsman13 on December 22, 2016, 03:34:59 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB
That place was literally the Wild West of the internet. Those were fun times with people throwing verbal bombs at each other every day
We were "lucky" to have Norm to kick around relentlessly...
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 22, 2016, 03:35:22 PM
Ellison has looked much better lately I must admit. As long as he stays under control and doesn't try to force things by making silly passes or turnovers then he should be a valuable piece to this team.

Rich is getting more comfortable every game as expected. His next step is to be more consistent from deep and convert at a higher rate driving to the hoop. The confidence is building and you see more glimpses of his talent every time out.

He still makes those long cross court passes which are easily picked

That is why I said as long as he doesn't make those silly passes which he has been prone to do. Get rid of those and be more controlled on his drives and he can be something for us.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: QuanMan on December 22, 2016, 03:35:40 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Yes that is what I did. Are you 7 years old?
That was what we call a joke Shirley.
For your benefit allow me to recap. Yes I think some on here are overly invested in the three white guys.  They get brought up way more than their talent dictates. And honestly to each his own. You like white guys, black guys, chicks with dicks, whatever. My point is it is hard to have a rational basketball discussion with people who aren't being honest with themselves. No RF is not better than Ahmad and Mussini is probably our 4th best guard. So I joke about the race thing and people who know deep down they are that guy get mad.

Now in your case I just think everything went over your head and you are just not that bright.



If you're just joking and trolling people within these boards then I'm cool w that. Still a ridiculous post. I didn't know where you were coming from, you're just being a troll, moving on. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Yes that is what I did. Are you 7 years old?
That was what we call a joke Shirley.
For your benefit allow me to recap. Yes I think some on here are overly invested in the three white guys.  They get brought up way more than their talent dictates. And honestly to each his own. You like white guys, black guys, chicks with dicks, whatever. My point is it is hard to have a rational basketball discussion with people who aren't being honest with themselves. No RF is not better than Ahmad and Mussini is probably our 4th best guard. So I joke about the race thing and people who know deep down they are that guy get mad.

Now in your case I just think everything went over your head and you are just not that bright.



If you're just joking and trolling people within these boards then I'm cool w that. Still a ridiculous post. I didn't know where you were coming from, you're just being a troll, moving on. 

Guy, if you are going to take the time to respond to a post read it carefully. Would also help if you have read said poster's previous posts. I was making a joke AT THE EXPENSE OF the people on these boards that are pushing RF, Mussini and Amar based on the fact that they are white. I was not advocating rooting for someone based on skin color. The opposite in fact.

So basically people got mad at me for calling them racist and you took my joke seriously and accused me of being what I was making fun of others for. WE ARE SJU
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: QuanMan on December 22, 2016, 03:46:20 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Yes that is what I did. Are you 7 years old?
That was what we call a joke Shirley.
For your benefit allow me to recap. Yes I think some on here are overly invested in the three white guys.  They get brought up way more than their talent dictates. And honestly to each his own. You like white guys, black guys, chicks with dicks, whatever. My point is it is hard to have a rational basketball discussion with people who aren't being honest with themselves. No RF is not better than Ahmad and Mussini is probably our 4th best guard. So I joke about the race thing and people who know deep down they are that guy get mad.

Now in your case I just think everything went over your head and you are just not that bright.



If you're just joking and trolling people within these boards then I'm cool w that. Still a ridiculous post. I didn't know where you were coming from, you're just being a troll, moving on. 

Guy, if you are going to take the time to respond to a post read it carefully. Would also help if you have read said poster's previous posts. I was making a joke AT THE EXPENSE OF the people on these boards that are pushing RF, Mussini and Amar based on the fact that they are white. I was not advocating rooting for someone based on skin color. The opposite in fact.

So basically people got mad at me for calling them racist and you took my joke seriously and accused me of being what I was making fun of others for. WE ARE SJU


Yea I know, you didn't quote anyone else's posts, you just posted that without prefacing anything, so it came off as racist and offensive. You were just trolling I know.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Celtics11 on December 22, 2016, 04:02:59 PM
Agree with post to just chill (didn't want to credit that post to Baldi for fear of Scheppy) don't take your posts on the subject that seriously but the repetitiveness of them is annoying at least to me. But must take exception to your assertion that the 3 white players are receiving undue support. You yourself are jokingly calling for consolidation to RF who in actuality does not receive undue support and I don't know any big fans of AliB.  With Mussini you have a case. I like the kid as he came here from another country to play for my alma mater and from all indications is a great kid well liked by his teammates. Your best case for undue favoritism towards a player may well have been that showed towards Fred Lyson. Anyway, would rather be talking strictly about basketball than about race on these boards. Yours and Foad's opinions on undue favoritism toward players of a certain race have been duly noted unduly.  :)
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: desco80 on December 22, 2016, 04:10:02 PM
Moving on ...   

Do we know Mussini's status moving forward?
He has an infection or a virus?

Hopefully he is out if the hospital promptly.  Not sure if he goes home, but nobody likes being in a hospital for Christmas.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 04:10:32 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 04:11:03 PM
Agree with post to just chill (didn't want to credit that post to Baldi for fear of Scheppy) don't take your posts on the subject that seriously but the repetitiveness of them is annoying at least to me. But must take exception to your assertion that the 3 white players are receiving undue support. You yourself are jokingly calling for consolidation to RF who in actuality does not receive undue support and I don't know any big fans of AliB.  With Mussini you have a case. I like the kid as he came here from another country to play for my alma mater and from all indications is a great kid well liked by his teammates. Your best case for undue favoritism towards a player may well have been that showed towards Fred Lyson. Anyway, would rather be talking strictly about basketball than about race on these boards. Yours and Foad's opinions on undue favoritism toward players of a certain race have been duly noted unduly.  :)

I aim to amuse and annoy. Whichever is cool with me.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Johnny23 on December 22, 2016, 04:16:11 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?

Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Foad on December 22, 2016, 04:21:04 PM
nobody likes being in a hospital for Christmas.

No one likes being cooped up less at Christmas than Santa Claustrophobia.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 22, 2016, 04:23:19 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?

Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 04:23:47 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?

All Cracker ass cracker team
Paultz
Mullin
Schaeffer
Loughery
Mcguire

No real power forward that I can think of off top of head
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: cjfish on December 22, 2016, 04:26:51 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?


Sure it is.  Dick McGuire or Alan Seiden at the point, Mullin at 2, Billy Shaefer, the Whopper and Wennington up front.  A solid team.  All black team, Leroy Ellis, Sonny Dove and Berry up front Mark Jackson and Tony Jackson in the backcourt.  I make the Black team 10 Pt Favorites.   
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Rodman on December 22, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.

It has zero to do with race.  Brust was so popular because he played with unbridled passion.  It had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
tru dat
Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 07:54:52 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?

Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft
tru dat
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marillac on December 22, 2016, 07:55:30 PM
Agree with post to just chill (didn't want to credit that post to Baldi for fear of Scheppy) don't take your posts on the subject that seriously but the repetitiveness of them is annoying at least to me. But must take exception to your assertion that the 3 white players are receiving undue support. You yourself are jokingly calling for consolidation to RF who in actuality does not receive undue support and I don't know any big fans of AliB.  With Mussini you have a case. I like the kid as he came here from another country to play for my alma mater and from all indications is a great kid well liked by his teammates. Your best case for undue favoritism towards a player may well have been that showed towards Fred Lyson. Anyway, would rather be talking strictly about basketball than about race on these boards. Yours and Foad's opinions on undue favoritism toward players of a certain race have been duly noted unduly.  :)

RF doesn't get enough support. He is right where I and many others expected him to be, but he's labeled as somewhat of a bust. It seems, if anything, WASJU and our fans are harder
on white players. I can't think of a single white player WASJU hasn't mocked from a very early stage.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 07:57:20 PM
We Are Sju ... +100 for your last half dozen posts.
Spot on.  It's an unfortunate aspect of our fan base that dates back to Matty Bruss slamming the floor wojo-style.
And probably earlier than that - although that's my earliest recollection of unusual support for a white guy.


Thanks for the support.
Just to be clear though people are free to root for whoever they want for whatever the reason. The only reason I bring up is it is hard to have a basketball discussion with people who are arguing because of reasons they won't admit.

You're blind to your own ignorance. You just urged everyone who reads this forum to have preferential treatment towards the white players on the team bc of their race, and which white player currently has the best chance of succeeding. Disgusting.

Yes that is what I did. Are you 7 years old?
That was what we call a joke Shirley.
For your benefit allow me to recap. Yes I think some on here are overly invested in the three white guys.  They get brought up way more than their talent dictates. And honestly to each his own. You like white guys, black guys, chicks with dicks, whatever. My point is it is hard to have a rational basketball discussion with people who aren't being honest with themselves. No RF is not better than Ahmad and Mussini is probably our 4th best guard. So I joke about the race thing and people who know deep down they are that guy get mad.

Now in your case I just think everything went over your head and you are just not that bright.



If you're just joking and trolling people within these boards then I'm cool w that. Still a ridiculous post. I didn't know where you were coming from, you're just being a troll, moving on. 

Guy, if you are going to take the time to respond to a post read it carefully. Would also help if you have read said poster's previous posts. I was making a joke AT THE EXPENSE OF the people on these boards that are pushing RF, Mussini and Amar based on the fact that they are white. I was not advocating rooting for someone based on skin color. The opposite in fact.

So basically people got mad at me for calling them racist and you took my joke seriously and accused me of being what I was making fun of others for. WE ARE SJU


Yea I know, you didn't quote anyone else's posts, you just posted that without prefacing anything, so it came off as racist and offensive. You were just trolling I know. 
I've met SJu and he loves hot black girls on porn just as much as white girls

Seriously though unless someone has met someone it's pretty unfair to brand them a racist especially when most of what they write has some sort of sarcasm,humor or irony in it
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marillac on December 22, 2016, 07:58:02 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
tru dat
Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft

Pajama boys. Some of these "men" make Rachel Maddow look like The Rock.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
tru dat
Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft

Pajama boys. Some of these "men" make Rachel Maddow look like The Rock.
HAAAAA. They would never had survived that night we all met at that bar that PMG set up for that drinkathon years ago. If we ever turn into lord of the flies I know which ones are gonna survive
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Marillac on December 22, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
tru dat
Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft

Pajama boys. Some of these "men" make Rachel Maddow look like The Rock.
HAAAAA. They would never had survived that night we all met at that bar that PMG set up for that drinkathon years ago. If we ever turn into lord of the flies I know which ones are gonna survive

Hahaha It won't be George Takei and the "Resistance."
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Pete88 on December 22, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB
That place was literally the Wild West of the internet. Those were fun times with people throwing verbal bombs at each other every day

LOL.... Wasn't that the birth place of Scotch??? That guy was f'n amazing.  When men were men is right.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 22, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
As I noted on the other board, I think everyone should aggregate their Great White Hope support to RF. Of the three candidates he has the best chance to have a future role 

Is this 1963? Your posts are disgraceful and you bring nothing to any conversation, you should be ashamed of yourself for writing that and posting it.

You guys need to stop being so soft and sensitive. Wasju  is a good man

They would have struggled mightily on old BEB
That place was literally the Wild West of the internet. Those were fun times with people throwing verbal bombs at each other every day

LOL.... Wasn't that the birth place of Scotch??? That guy was f'n amazing.  When men were men is right.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: section3 on December 22, 2016, 09:25:59 PM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.
When his offense comes within the flow of the game, he is actually quite effective. When he feels the need to be the man, not so good. Definite upside but needs to avoid the lazy passes, lackadaisical defense and brain farts (receiving passes while out of bounds on 2 occasions The threat of lost PT to next year's newbies will hopefully ensure more consistent focus -- as well as overall maturity..
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: wpc77 on December 22, 2016, 09:49:18 PM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.
When his offense comes within the flow of the game, he is actually quite effective. When he feels the need to be the man, not so good. Definite upside but needs to avoid the lazy passes, lackadaisical defense and brain farts (receiving passes while out of bounds on 2 occasions The threat of lost PT to next year's newbies will hopefully ensure more consistent focus -- as well as overall maturity..

It's the plays where he appears to be high on ecstasy that stand out.  Like totally bizarre shots and passes that are not usually seen once kids hit age 12.  By and large he's actually very solid.  It's weird. 
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 22, 2016, 10:07:55 PM
Having Mussini and Amar out hurt forced CM to tighten his rotation, going with only 3 guards and giving RF more time. I think some of our improved play tonight was a result of this tighter rotation.  Ellison, in particular, seems to perform better when he's not looking over his shoulder expecting to be yanked after every turnover, and RF certainly played loose and shot with greater confidence.  This was clearly Bashir's best and most under control performance of the year.

I'm not saying to dump Mussini from the rotation.  There are games where he will play and someone else won't, but I would prefer to see RF get the minutes that Amar's been getting. I think settling on an 8 man rotation improves everyone's focus and improves the team.  We're not deep enough to be playing 10 guys.

To a degree this is true. I do think Mussini has value. He's the best shooter on the team. Need to limit his minutes and increase his usage when in the game.

Ellison is really good. I know he's played poor at times but people tend to magnify every miss or turnover he has.
When his offense comes within the flow of the game, he is actually quite effective. When he feels the need to be the man, not so good. Definite upside but needs to avoid the lazy passes, lackadaisical defense and brain farts (receiving passes while out of bounds on 2 occasions The threat of lost PT to next year's newbies will hopefully ensure more consistent focus -- as well as overall maturity..

It's the plays where he appears to be high on ecstasy that stand out.  Like totally bizarre shots and passes that are not usually seen once kids hit age 12.  By and large he's actually very solid.  It's weird. 

Why do you think Pervis was never nervous?
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: we are sju on December 22, 2016, 10:25:35 PM
Agree with post to just chill (didn't want to credit that post to Baldi for fear of Scheppy) don't take your posts on the subject that seriously but the repetitiveness of them is annoying at least to me. But must take exception to your assertion that the 3 white players are receiving undue support. You yourself are jokingly calling for consolidation to RF who in actuality does not receive undue support and I don't know any big fans of AliB.  With Mussini you have a case. I like the kid as he came here from another country to play for my alma mater and from all indications is a great kid well liked by his teammates. Your best case for undue favoritism towards a player may well have been that showed towards Fred Lyson. Anyway, would rather be talking strictly about basketball than about race on these boards. Yours and Foad's opinions on undue favoritism toward players of a certain race have been duly noted unduly.  :)

RF doesn't get enough support. He is right where I and many others expected him to be, but he's labeled as somewhat of a bust. It seems, if anything, WASJU and our fans are harder
on white players. I can't think of a single white player WASJU hasn't mocked from a very early stage.

Ron Rowan I liked. Phil Missere. Big Steve Shurina fan, Chris Mullin was ok
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: redmen4life on December 23, 2016, 11:08:38 AM
For us to have long term success we need guys like RF, Sima, Mussini, KY, to stick around 4 years. They'll all got better. And while they may never become superstars they are the type of guys that we envy on teams like Creighton, Butler, etc.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: ras on December 23, 2016, 05:07:23 PM
For us to have long term success we need guys like RF, Sima, Mussini, KY, to stick around 4 years. They'll all got better. And while they may never become superstars they are the type of guys that we envy on teams like Creighton, Butler, etc.
Unfortunately that's our current problem. Since Lavin left the cup board bare we have no upperclassman leadership that has been here except a midiocre Amar. Also we are currently expecting too much from our underclassmen because of it.
Title: Re: Syracuse
Post by: Poison on December 24, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
So I guess now wouldn't be a good time for my "All time Caucasian St Johns team"?
tru dat
Lol NY has gotten so soft, such a shame.

Amazing isn't it. If someone called me a drunk Irish motherfcker,  I would laugh and agree with them. But then again, I'm not soft

Pajama boys. Some of these "men" make Rachel Maddow look like The Rock.
HAAAAA. They would never had survived that night we all met at that bar that PMG set up for that drinkathon years ago. If we ever turn into lord of the flies I know which ones are gonna survive

Of course not. You guys are so brave to stand up for white people.