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Title: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
Thoughts on todays game? 8-1 top 25?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 13, 2009, 06:32:02 PM
We played well, a little sloppy in the second half but it's the same thing every game.  Fordham was a one man team tonight, they just didn't have the talent to hang with us.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 13, 2009, 06:38:37 PM
We played like garbage. I'm disgusted that I had to watch this. 

Chris Gaston went unguarded for 40 minutes.
We let a freshman, that's right, a freshman drop 32 and 15 on us on our court.

Sean Evans played with zero focus, and very little effort.

It felt like this game was a joke to our guys. They came out sloppy, and they ended sloppy.

Coker was pretty good, but Roberts didn't play him enough.
I don't know what the logic is there. Probably isn't any.

0-14 from downtown? Man, I know this was a 17 point win, but it really felt a loss. Hofstra will beat us, if we keep up this head in the clouds basketball.

 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 13, 2009, 06:44:48 PM
i thought the game was sloppy all around. going up for rebounds with one hand, missing layups/dunks. i hope we are playing down to our opponents. although the game was never in jeopardy.

also, id like to thank to old fordham fan in white jumpsuit behind the bench. giving the student section the middle finger the whole game was real classy. class act.

oh and to the idiot that came up to the student section after the game saying that stj is trash and that we going to get destroyed by notre dame, needs to get his facts straight. nd lost 2 games already, one of which was to loyola marymount (4-7) at home.

and he went on too.....saying that we're not going to win any big east games.

Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 13, 2009, 06:48:11 PM
0-14 from downtown?

damn....i knew it was bad, but not that bad.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 13, 2009, 06:48:38 PM
Fordham fans talking trash. Now, I've seen it all.
They are the worst team I've ever seen. Ever.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Marillac on December 13, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
Thoughts on todays game? 8-1 top 25?

No top 25 becaue Wisconsin and Butler avenged their losses earlier in the week with impressive wins over Marquette and #13 Ohio State, respectively.
Also, the pollsters don't have much sense and Temple will surely be in the top 25 for beating #3 Nova today at home, even though we beat Temple comfortably at their place.  Also, factor in Kansas State's thumping of #18 UNLV.  They'll be in.

I can say with 100% confidence that we will be in if we run the Holiday Festival this weekend.  We'd be 10-1 and that win @ Temple is looking better every day.  They are running through some good teams--Va Tech, Penn State, Siena, Nova, lost by 1 at G'town...

Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: TONYD3 on December 13, 2009, 06:50:41 PM
We won which was the most important thing. We also don't play a game for another week. This should give our coaches and players plenty of time to re-focus. 8-1 is pretty good.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Mikethegreat on December 13, 2009, 07:04:39 PM
Lack of focus.

There were a lot of hustle plays made by Boothe. I haven't seen the box score but just going on what I remember there were still not enough assists. To his credit though he drove into the lane with conviction a few times (finishing hard not just lobbing bad shots as he did in the Georgia game).

The poor shooting percentage included at least 3 missed monster dunks and at least four 3-point shots from Boothe and Brownlee. Not letting them take those shots and finishing hard to the hoop would boost the percentage up to something respectable.

This looked like a practice scrimmage and in reality it was. It's hard to get up for games like this as a fan and a player. Thanks to the classy folks from Fordham who showed up to heckle the student section. That boosted the noise level up a little in what was an otherwise silent CA yet again. A few people did stand up to catch a T-shirt.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 13, 2009, 07:21:52 PM
Hopefully we got our bricks out of the way in this game, Brownlee's 14 and 14 was impressive
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 13, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
boothe was the mvp

terrible shooting from everyone, douchebag fordham fans, lame admins threatening to kick out the only 30fans stj has for the season....not a fun game

its good to see that guys step up and we can win when we shoot that bad....dj making hustle plays with rebounds ect....boothe picking up the team with his drives....brownlee on the offensive glass....paris with his drives

we will have to play better than this against good teams, but its good to see that we still hustle like a team with a lot to prove
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 13, 2009, 07:28:42 PM
One school in the nation has a worse fan base than us: Fordham.
Their students and alumni truly hate the basketball team.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
boothe was the mvp

terrible shooting from everyone, douchebag fordham fans, lame admins threatening to kick out the only 30fans stj has for the season....not a fun game

its good to see that guys step up and we can win when we shoot that bad....dj making hustle plays with rebounds ect....boothe picking up the team with his drives....brownlee on the offensive glass....paris with his drives

we will have to play better than this against good teams, but its good to see that we still hustle like a team with a lot to prove

What went on at the game?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 13, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
our school administrators sent students to quiet the crowd......

then after the game some cockbag fordham fan came to the student section to inform me that stjohns sucks and we will lose to every team with a banner on the back wall. when i answered that beating fordham by 18 didnt mean shit, his sister threatened to beat me up lol.

but at least i got a free ice scraper
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 13, 2009, 08:08:05 PM
one of the red storm people came over and told us the administration would kick us out for the rest of they year if we didn't tone it down.

but they really did a good job on kickng out fordham fans giving the middle finger. oh wait.......they didnt do anything.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 13, 2009, 08:10:29 PM
oh and i think it was stupid that they gave out t-shirts for students who swiped in only.

i didnt swipe in since i didnt know it mattered. and they wouldnt give me one, i had to have a friend take one for me.

and little kids wanted t-shirts and they were told they were for "students only." i think thats messed up. they had about 900 tshirts. give the kids some.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 13, 2009, 08:12:33 PM
they shouldnt be kicking anyone out

that old dude giving us the finger was funny and he was having a good time....its just bullshit that they get upset when the fans actually get into the game.

there are seriously about 30 kids who i see at every game, and then threaten to kick us out for the season because we called guys yelling during our fts douchebags
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: jumpinjohnny on December 13, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
Fordham is not a good team.  It was a cakewalk..we could've won by 40.

Sorry to hear you guys were getting hassled.  With attendance the way it is you would think the admin would do everything they could to pander to the people who actually show up.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 13, 2009, 08:14:47 PM
they shouldnt be kicking anyone out

that old dude giving us the finger was funny and he was having a good time....its just bullshit that they get upset when the fans actually get into the game.

there are seriously about 30 kids who i see at every game, and then threaten to kick us out for the season because we called guys yelling during our fts douchebags

i agree man. the school threatens to kick out the heart and soul of the student section, year after year. its pathetic.



in my opinion, student tickets should be free at CA. and if they're afraid kids are going to get tickets and not show up, then make it that we have to swipe in to get in. first come first serve. then i think a lot more people would show up.

Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 13, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
they shouldnt be kicking anyone out

that old dude giving us the finger was funny and he was having a good time....its just bullshit that they get upset when the fans actually get into the game.

there are seriously about 30 kids who i see at every game, and then threaten to kick us out for the season because we called guys yelling during our fts douchebags

i agree man. the school threatens to kick out the heart and soul of the student section, year after year. its pathetic.



in my opinion, student tickets should be free at CA. and if they're afraid kids are going to get tickets and not show up, then make it that we have to swipe in to get in. first come first serve. then i think a lot more people would show up.

I 100% agree, our tickets should be free.  I know so many kids who follow the bball team and are fans but simply cannot afford to spend 5 dollars for a ticket to our home games.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Mullin20 on December 13, 2009, 08:34:16 PM
our school administrators sent students to quiet the crowd......

then after the game some cockbag fordham fan came to the student section to inform me that stjohns sucks and we will lose to every team with a banner on the back wall. when i answered that beating fordham by 18 didnt mean shit, his sister threatened to beat me up lol.

but at least i got a free ice scraper


   Student section is doing a great job but probably not a good idea to be shouting Fordham sucks on teh night the University President decided to show up for his only appearence of the year.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 13, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
w.e the threats are anoying but really send over public saftey no one wants to hear what some student has to say about our chants.  also its college basketball, i understand if we said anything down right terrible but calling someone an a rear of a donkey is better then alot of things.  as far as the game it was alright up 17 played at least 10 people, at one point we had 0 of the starters in so at least our bench can hang and is getting work when they are needed.  would like to see more of dj and horn or at least give them some 30+ minute games
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 13, 2009, 08:39:59 PM
but calling someone an a rear of a donkey

haha this thing can automatically censor people?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: P1NSTR1PEZ on December 13, 2009, 09:55:03 PM
its a damn shame that the university was kicking people out and telling fans to shut up. One of my friends was heckling one of the loud Fordham fans and PS came over and told him to pipe down...cmon are you serious! we barely get fans and now we are telling those fans they cant chant or taunt the other fans? Does Duke's administration silence the cameron crazies?!?! NO! its an outrage
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 13, 2009, 09:59:28 PM
I was reading that article in the "college and pro sports" section about roy williams having a fan of the opposing team kicked out for shouting during one of UNC's free throws....so Fordham fans yell during our free throws and the students respond to them by calling them douche bags...we chanted for one of fordhams benchwarmers to get into the game, and some old guy behind their bench keeps giving us the middle finger, so some of us chant "classy" and the others chant "a$$hole"...and we were told that the entire student section would be kicked out and not allowed back in the rest of the year of they heard us curse again

Say what you want about whether or not some profanities should be chanted or not, but the bottom line is this is a college student section and theres not ONE college student section where you dont get atleast a portion of the student section chanting things like that. We don't say anything personal about players and IMO we dont "cross the line"...It's so disheartening having to constantly be hassled by st johns administration and it really makes us just not even wanna come to the games

No matter what it is, whether its marketing, public safety, tickets, getting the freaking sound system to work, it just seems like this school can't ever do ANYTHING right

All that being said, I'm not putting too much stock into this game. Like mike said, the fans and players just simply dont get up for these games like they would against a tougher opponent. I just don't see us missing this many shots and playing this sloppy against big east teams

btw glockinfora....who are you haha
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 13, 2009, 10:13:23 PM


btw glockinfora....who are you haha

i am the short chubby white kid at every game who yells profanity

...that may describe about half the kids there lol

i dont understand why the administration would want to quiet the crowd.... would they rather have little kids or their own students and alum....
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on December 13, 2009, 10:31:46 PM
our school administrators sent students to quiet the crowd......

then after the game some cockbag fordham fan came to the student section to inform me that stjohns sucks and we will lose to every team with a banner on the back wall. when i answered that beating fordham by 18 didnt mean shit, his sister threatened to beat me up lol.

but at least i got a free ice scraper
   Student section is doing a great job but probably not a good idea to be shouting Fordham sucks on teh night the University President decided to show up for his only appearence of the year.
The only one who should be embarrassed is Harrington. He's made the program into an afterthought, even on its own campus. He ought to be grateful to the 30+ students in the stands and the 13 on the bench who still have school pride.

If this turns out to be the season that the program officially turns the corner, they've got to get realistic about what fans will be yelling.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2009, 10:57:07 PM
but calling someone an a rear of a donkey

haha this thing can automatically censor people?

Yea I personally enjoy seeing people trying to figure out that you can't say that.

Personally I don't condone or think that anyone should be using profanities. I don't even like when the students chant out "Douchebag" repeatedly.

I've always tried to be more clever than that. Whether it be a double meaning or something relevant to the player in question. Thats my opinion.

I also know what its like to be in the student section and have you own school treat you like some criminal instead of a scholar of the university. You're there to have fun and not cause trouble.

Basketball games shouldn't have the same environment as church.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 13, 2009, 11:03:40 PM
If an SJU student can't afford a ticket, I'd be happy to buy a few for them. I was a student once, and i get it. Books and food come first. There has got to be a healthier way to get our students out there.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 13, 2009, 11:04:25 PM
but calling someone an a rear of a donkey

haha this thing can automatically censor people?

Yea I personally enjoy seeing people trying to figure out that you can't say that.

Personally I don't condone or think that anyone should be using profanities. I don't even like when the students chant out "Douchebag" repeatedly.

I've always tried to be more clever than that. Whether it be a double meaning or something relevant to the player in question. Thats my opinion.

I also know what its like to be in the student section and have you own school treat you like some criminal instead of a scholar of the university. You're there to have fun and not cause trouble.

Basketball games shouldn't have the same environment as church.


as a fan it is obviously about enjoying yourself, but the job of a home crowd as a unit is to rattle the other team and whatever support they have in your building. yelling douchebag at them and getting a coach to look up at you when he is trying to talk to his team may not translate to much on the court, but the 6th man is about trying to tip the scales the slightest bit toward a W.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: TRabinowitz on December 13, 2009, 11:16:27 PM
The administration is pathetic.  The higher-ups that call for students to be threatened and treated this way are pathetic.  They truly don't care about alienating the FEW true fans they have left. 

People have to realize that a basketball game isn't an opera.  Let the students use it as an outlet to be kids and be loud and obnoxious.  I curse quite a bit (as Dave can attest to from the Siena game in Philly), and as long as you're not getting ultra-personal or threatening, it's OK.  It's a basketball game, for christs sake.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 13, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
this is from fordhamfans.com forum...


And we can take some notes from Saint John's student section.....how to heckle the opposition.   MAKE NOISE.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 13, 2009, 11:28:46 PM
this is from fordhamfans.com forum...


And we can take some notes from Saint John's student section.....how to heckle the opposition.   MAKE NOISE.

wow, i think thats the only positive feedback we have gotten, but its from fordham, they can take notes from us, but we need to take notes from duke if we want to get better
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 13, 2009, 11:31:08 PM
If the Student section really wants to gain power the right way, they should write a formal letter to Billy Singleton, asking him how they could become a relevant part of the program.

You don't have to be profrane, to be effective.

Coach K talks to his student section. At 8-1, maybe it's time to approach someone in the athletic dept. Start somewhere. If you're a student, stand up.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
but calling someone an a rear of a donkey

haha this thing can automatically censor people?

Yea I personally enjoy seeing people trying to figure out that you can't say that.

Personally I don't condone or think that anyone should be using profanities. I don't even like when the students chant out "Douchebag" repeatedly.

I've always tried to be more clever than that. Whether it be a double meaning or something relevant to the player in question. Thats my opinion.

I also know what its like to be in the student section and have you own school treat you like some criminal instead of a scholar of the university. You're there to have fun and not cause trouble.

Basketball games shouldn't have the same environment as church.


as a fan it is obviously about enjoying yourself, but the job of a home crowd as a unit is to rattle the other team and whatever support they have in your building. yelling douchebag at them and getting a coach to look up at you when he is trying to talk to his team may not translate to much on the court, but the 6th man is about trying to tip the scales the slightest bit toward a W.

Hence the creation of Johnny Jungle. Stormfront and the school didn't exactly have the same vision as I did. I agree with you yelling and heckling opposing players/coaches however I think yelling "douchebag" is a poor choice of how you want to go about it.

Make fun of the coach's name, hair, shoes, plays he's yelling out but don't call him "douchebag" what does that prove? Nor does it help your case with getting the admin off your back.

Also like it or not it's a catholic university so there will be more reservations in the way the school wants to present itself. We Are...not Illinois.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 13, 2009, 11:59:20 PM
The administration is pathetic.  The higher-ups that call for students to be threatened and treated this way are pathetic.  They truly don't care about alienating the FEW true fans they have left. 

People have to realize that a basketball game isn't an opera.  Let the students use it as an outlet to be kids and be loud and obnoxious.  I curse quite a bit (as Dave can attest to from the Siena game in Philly), and as long as you're not getting ultra-personal or threatening, it's OK.  It's a basketball game, for christs sake.

Haha Theo got yelled at by some guy with his kids because he said "Suck"

Theo you were hardly cursing but you did yell quite a bit. I love it. I didn't know you had it in you. The highschool games you're always so reserved.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 14, 2009, 12:01:16 AM
we dont really curse at the other team/coach, we do bust out the douchebag.. douchebag.. douchebag.. when other teams fans yell during our free throws or flip us off... it can easily be called inapropriate but i cant think of a better way to deal with those situations, maybe stormin normin can get security to throw them out like in north carolina, but thats really not good for anyone
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 14, 2009, 12:05:56 AM
the specific douchebagx3 chant is great....it shows unity and always puts all eyes on the douche, destroys their ananimity and usually shuts them up

it is fun to get creative, but the more distracting is the profane group chants
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: mjmaherjr on December 14, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
If an SJU student can't afford a ticket, I'd be happy to happy to buy a few for them. I was a student once, and i get it. Books and food come first.

More like Books and Beer and not necessarily in that order :)
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 14, 2009, 12:17:23 AM
One way I think that the student section could improve is to get the kids who sit in the section closest to the St. John's bench who cheer loud and bring them to the other side.  Having all the rowdy people in one section will project the noise better and make it easier to organize loud group chants. 

Another problem is the kids who are in the student section who sit on their hands and just take up space.  I feel if we could somehow separate these two groups and put the people who just want to quietly watch the game on one side and the people who want to stand, cheer and participate in the chants on the other side we would have a much more rowdy and hostile environment. 

I'm pretty sure we are one of the only schools who have a split student section and if we had the number of people and the amount of vocal people necessary to successfully execute the split student section it would be doubly intimidating, but until we get that I think one real loud section is better than two dull ones.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
If the Student section really wants to gain power the right way, they should write a formal letter to Billy Singleton, asking him how they could become a relevant part of the program.

You don't have to be profrane, to be effective.

Coach K talks to his student section. At 8-1, maybe it's time to approach someone in the athletic dept. Start somewhere. If you're a student, stand up.

I tried this last year. I was heckling the St. Francis bench, with not a single curse word leaving my mouth, and was taken to a back room by public safety saying next time I'm gonna be thrown out. Myself and the rest of the student section sat down for the entire rest of the game and refused to cheer. After the game I went to find Norm and the staff, and I found Burrell and he brought me straight up to the coaches. I explained everything to Norm, Billy Singleton, and talked with Coach Q for about 45 minutes. All I got out of that little meeting was Norm and Singleton saying they'll take care of it, and Coach Q telling me we should just focus on positive cheering for our team instead of worrying about heckling the other team.

About the douchebag chant...its not like the a$$hole chant where we just chant it in succession...We start of saying "who brought the...." and then everyone points and says "dochebag douchebag douchebag"...thats not creative?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 12:24:17 AM
One way I think that the student section could improve is to get the kids who sit in the section closest to the St. John's bench who cheer loud and bring them to the other side.  Having all the rowdy people in one section will project the noise better and make it easier to organize loud group chants. 

Another problem is the kids who are in the student section who sit on their hands and just take up space.  I feel if we could somehow separate these two groups and put the people who just want to quietly watch the game on one side and the people who want to stand, cheer and participate in the chants on the other side we would have a much more rowdy and hostile environment. 

I'm pretty sure we are one of the only schools who have a split student section and if we had the number of people and the amount of vocal people necessary to successfully execute the split student section it would be doubly intimidating, but until we get that I think one real loud section is better than two dull ones.

This is pretty much how it was for the first 2 home games this year, and it was terrible. One side would cheer and the other side didnt know what to do and just sat there and didnt do anything. Then we decided to split it up and have some regulars on the other sdie near our bench and I think its helped alot because both sides actually stand and cheer now.

I know this thread has turned into ridiculing the administration and more talk about our fans, but IMO the student section thus far has been far better than the previous 2 years. We're actually filling both sides of the student section and cheering the whole game against these cupcake teams
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 14, 2009, 12:24:42 AM
One way I think that the student section could improve is to get the kids who sit in the section closest to the St. John's bench who cheer loud and bring them to the other side.  Having all the rowdy people in one section will project the noise better and make it easier to organize loud group chants. 

Another problem is the kids who are in the student section who sit on their hands and just take up space.  I feel if we could somehow separate these two groups and put the people who just want to quietly watch the game on one side and the people who want to stand, cheer and participate in the chants on the other side we would have a much more rowdy and hostile environment. 

I'm pretty sure we are one of the only schools who have a split student section and if we had the number of people and the amount of vocal people necessary to successfully execute the split student section it would be doubly intimidating, but until we get that I think one real loud section is better than two dull ones.

thats a great idea, i think we should try it, its going to be hard to take the people sitting there and go hey go to the other side you dont stand and make noise, getting the loud people together shouldnt be that hard but it will be cause its sju's fans when are we ever organized, but we should still try it
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: kob24 on December 14, 2009, 12:26:04 AM
if u guys can give me a name i can try to get it handled
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 14, 2009, 12:31:50 AM
On a side note, those of you students who got your MSG tix, are the student sections split again this year or are all the tickets for one section or side like they should be.  I'm in section 11 again this year and I know a lot of students had tix on the opposite side of the court last year.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 12:34:27 AM
if u guys can give me a name i can try to get it handled

The leader of redzone told me "facilities" told her that if we curse one more time, we were all gonna be kicked out and not allowed back in for any more games...public safety has backed off alot since last year, now this falls strictly with the st johns administration...when we went to west virginia for the mens soccer big east championship we werent even allowed to chant anything with "sucks" in it because we're "representing st johns"...is this just me being a college student or is that a little ridiculous?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 12:36:54 AM
On a side note, those of you students who got your MSG tix, are the student sections split again this year or are all the tickets for one section or side like they should be.  I'm in section 11 again this year and I know a lot of students had tix on the opposite side of the court last year.

I was told that we have tickets in section 11, 12, and part of 22...theres about 200 seats in each section and about 400 student season tickets...they said that they got rid of the season tickets that were on the court level behind the student section...so basically, if theres regular joe's in the student seats, its because students sold their tickets...i was told we should be allowed to stand this year without any problems, but we'll see what happens...we tried getting general admission tickets for the MSG games, but MSG security denied it about a month or 2 ago
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 14, 2009, 12:46:59 AM
The We Are... St.John's was brought back from the dead.

That, they got right. No protests against that.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 14, 2009, 12:47:30 AM
8-1 top 25?

Closer but no cigar.  If we win the holiday we'll squeek in.

P.S. I consider myself a friend of the jungle and a kindred spirit.  However, the use of "douchebag" and "a$$hole" are inappropriate.  I often bring my wife, small children and sometimes even my senior citizen mother to the games.
Put yourself in my shoes?
 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 12:50:56 AM
8-1 top 25?

Closer but no cigar.  If we win the holiday we'll squeek in.

P.S. I consider myself a friend of the jungle and a kindred spirit.  However, the use of "douchebag" and "a$$hole" are inappropriate.  I often bring my wife, small children and sometimes even my senior citizen mother to the games.
Put yourself in my shoes?

Point taken, and completely understandable. But I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a college student as well.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: icewater10 on December 14, 2009, 01:03:16 AM
On a side note, those of you students who got your MSG tix, are the student sections split again this year or are all the tickets for one section or side like they should be.  I'm in section 11 again this year and I know a lot of students had tix on the opposite side of the court last year.

I was told that we have tickets in section 11, 12, and part of 22...theres about 200 seats in each section and about 400 student season tickets...they said that they got rid of the season tickets that were on the court level behind the student section...so basically, if theres regular joe's in the student seats, its because students sold their tickets...i was told we should be allowed to stand this year without any problems, but we'll see what happens...we tried getting general admission tickets for the MSG games, but MSG security denied it about a month or 2 ago
We have 400 student season ticket holders?? Do they just pay for tickets and not go to the games? There'sno way its that many.
And untill i see that st johns made a real student section at MSG i'm still thinking we'll all be split up and have regular people behind us telling us to sit down
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: redstormhoopsfan on December 14, 2009, 01:10:37 AM
... IMO the student section thus far has been far better than the previous 2 years. We're actually filling both sides of the student section and cheering the whole game against these cupcake teams

You’re absolutely right, I’m real happy with the involvement and interest the students are showing. And hats off to the kids at the SJU bench end when they pointed to us in the stands and chanted “we can’t hear you!” Some of us old timers tend to doze off and nap during the games. Thanks for keeping us on our toes and in the game!

I had a discussion with Monasch last season after one game where guys were removed and scolded, and since then I thought they got PS to chill a bit. I’ll speak with him tomorrow and see what we can get resolved. Maybe a sitdown is in order.

We are… St. Johns!
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: carmineabbatiello on December 14, 2009, 01:12:06 AM
8-1 top 25?

Closer but no cigar.  If we win the holiday we'll squeek in.

P.S. I consider myself a friend of the jungle and a kindred spirit.  However, the use of "douchebag" and "a$$hole" are inappropriate.  I often bring my wife, small children and sometimes even my senior citizen mother to the games.
Put yourself in my shoes?

Point taken, and completely understandable. But I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a college student as well.

So what is the answer?  Is it possible for the student body to be loud, into it and disruptive to the opposition without the use of profanity?

I believe that it is and that it is a noble goal as well.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 01:15:59 AM
Kev, last year we sold nearly 800 student season tickets lol...so many freshmen just sign up during orientation, their parents buy the tickets and they dont go. Alot of people dont even pick up their season tickets. I agree, I still have a feeling there's gonna be problems at MSG, but we'll see i guess

RSHF...I think they were chanting that to the few fordham fans sitting up in that general direction haha. But i do wish the fans would get into the games and actually stand up and cheer at times that don't include a t-shirt toss
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 14, 2009, 01:19:06 AM
Icewater, the students and alumni buy tickets and skip games.
It's not about money. It's about self respect.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: icewater10 on December 14, 2009, 01:26:18 AM
I can understand alumni having tickets and not coming to games especially in Queens because its  a pain getting there but if your a student and paid for the tickets and live in the dorms what are you doing? studying?haha

Also st johns should do the free bus trips to MSG for games because i think that got more students to go
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 14, 2009, 01:33:19 AM
8-1 top 25?

Closer but no cigar.  If we win the holiday we'll squeek in.

P.S. I consider myself a friend of the jungle and a kindred spirit.  However, the use of "douchebag" and "a$$hole" are inappropriate.  I often bring my wife, small children and sometimes even my senior citizen mother to the games.
Put yourself in my shoes?

Point taken, and completely understandable. But I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of a college student as well.

So what is the answer?  Is it possible for the student body to be loud, into it and disruptive to the opposition without the use of profanity?

I believe that it is and that it is a noble goal as well.


we can't afford to alienate any of our small fan base, but it really needs to be an environment directed toward student aged fans. we obviously have different standards, but there is a line and i dont think we are anywhere close to crossing it.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 14, 2009, 01:33:41 AM
I can understand alumni having tickets and not coming to games especially in Queens because its  a pain getting there but if your a student and paid for the tickets and live in the dorms what are you doing? studying?haha

Also st johns should do the free bus trips to MSG for games because i think that got more students to go

they do the bus trips only when it really interests them like the aeropostale classic last year where they wanted everyone in msg and to wear red, that game i convinced about 7 people to go who wouldnt go to 1 msg game by subway with me,... and as far as studying thats no excuse whats 3 hours a week
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: redstormhoopsfan on December 14, 2009, 01:38:25 AM
RSHF...I think they were chanting that to the few fordham fans sitting up in that general direction haha. But i do wish the fans would get into the games and actually stand up and cheer at times that don't include a t-shirt toss
I know, I was just having some fun. My section is pretty vocal...
Remember, I was the guy who got flipped off by the REFEREE last season because I was giving him so much grief!


 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: boooooooooothe on December 14, 2009, 01:50:25 AM
RSHF...I think they were chanting that to the few fordham fans sitting up in that general direction haha. But i do wish the fans would get into the games and actually stand up and cheer at times that don't include a t-shirt toss
I know, I was just having some fun. My section is pretty vocal...
Remember, I was the guy who got flipped off by the REFEREE last season because I was giving him so much grief!

I see your middle finger, and I raise you a "your mother" comment from one of the Stony Brook players to us last week!  ;D
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: icewater10 on December 14, 2009, 02:05:09 AM
I think we're pretty toned down during basketball games compared to soccer games lol. We should do some soccer chants at the basketball games
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 14, 2009, 02:09:09 AM
In all seriousness, we do not need to be too hard on Fordham.
They played great for them, and we shot terribly, and still won by 17.

They have no hope of winning 10 games. I'm not sure they can win 5. Who can they beat? Do they play Wagner? Bryant? NJIT?

They really should. Gaston was very very good, but it all ends there.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: matt6 on December 14, 2009, 02:29:07 AM
The duke game last year was deffinetly the most student I've seen @ a game in a while..did they make the tickets cheeper or was it just the buses to the garden..either way it was nice to see I jus wish most of them would have gotten a little louder..lol..it still seemed like duke fans were louder.
   The only bad part was all the students were scatterd all thru msg it would be nice if the would of put em all together either on one baseline or half n half..maybe they would have been a lil louder..I think they should do that for all b.e games @ msg
 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: redstormhoopsfan on December 14, 2009, 02:39:23 AM
In all seriousness, we do not need to be too hard on Fordham.
They played great for them, and we shot terribly, and still won by 17.

They have no hope of winning 10 games. I'm not sure they can win 5. Who can they beat? Do they play Wagner? Bryant? NJIT?

They really should. Gaston was very very good, but it all ends there.
So you are telling the students to “play down” to the opponent???

I don’t have the time to search back specifics, but haven’t you killed the players for playing down for certain games?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: redstormhoopsfan on December 14, 2009, 02:44:00 AM
I see your middle finger, and I raise you a "your mother" comment from one of the Stony Brook players to us last week!  ;D
OK, but I call with a letter from the former commissioner, as well as an email the director of zebras for the BE!
 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: tims19 on December 14, 2009, 02:55:53 AM
The duke game last year was deffinetly the most student I've seen @ a game in a while..did they make the tickets cheeper or was it just the buses to the garden..either way it was nice to see I jus wish most of them would have gotten a little louder..lol..it still seemed like duke fans were louder.
   The only bad part was all the students were scatterd all thru msg it would be nice if the would of put em all together either on one baseline or half n half..maybe they would have been a lil louder..I think they should do that for all b.e games @ msg

if we were all together we would have been louder, im not saying all the students would have made noise but there are definately 40 or so students that wanted to be loud but they were probably scartered in 10 or so groups all over msg and couldnt really chant apart from hoping the 5 guys next to them would be really loud
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: matt6 on December 14, 2009, 03:15:33 AM
The duke game last year was deffinetly the most student I've seen @ a game in a while..did they make the tickets cheeper or was it just the buses to the garden..either way it was nice to see I jus wish most of them would have gotten a little louder..lol..it still seemed like duke fans were louder.
   The only bad part was all the students were scatterd all thru msg it would be nice if the would of put em all together either on one baseline or half n half..maybe they would have been a lil louder..I think they should do that for all b.e games @ msg

if we were all together we would have been louder, im not saying all the students would have made noise but there are definately 40 or so students that wanted to be loud but they were probably scartered in 10 or so groups all over msg and couldnt really chant apart from hoping the 5 guys next to them would be really loud

That's what I'm saying..personally I think it was stupid having alllll those students in the building but scattered throughout diffrent sections..I feel the students would of gotten a lot more into bieng along side classmates..it would also make a lot more sense in other wise it pretty much defeats the point of having all the students in the building..
  Being in.  Hartford I've been to a few uconn  >:( games and the way the have it is all the students are in the lower section all on the same side behind the hoop by the opposing team bench..I don't see y we can't do this @ msg...
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: TRabinowitz on December 14, 2009, 03:26:30 AM
Kev, last year we sold nearly 800 student season tickets lol...so many freshmen just sign up during orientation, their parents buy the tickets and they dont go. Alot of people dont even pick up their season tickets. I agree, I still have a feeling there's gonna be problems at MSG, but we'll see i guess

I don't know who gave you the grief last year, but last week the WHOLE uconn student section was standing the ENTIRE game against kentucky behind the basket. 

Is it the SJU personnel or the MSG people that give u problems at the garden?
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Owlified on December 14, 2009, 06:46:32 AM
We'd be 10-1 and that win @ Temple is looking better every day.  They are running through some good teams--Va Tech, Penn State, Siena, Nova, lost by 1 at G'town...

You're welcome!
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Marco Baldi on December 14, 2009, 07:49:53 AM
We'd be 10-1 and that win @ Temple is looking better every day.  They are running through some good teams--Va Tech, Penn State, Siena, Nova, lost by 1 at G'town...

You're welcome!

Good job outta Temple. That guard Fernandez lit up the Nova guards
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Poison on December 14, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
Redstormhoopsfan, all I'm saying is that the team we played yesterday was the worst I've ever seen in all of my years watching games at alumni hall. And that's like 30.

I thought the students were fine yesterday. The We Are... SJU chant should be a given for every game. I've never heard it before.

It was the alumni that let the team down yesterday. 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 14, 2009, 12:31:45 PM
if u guys can give me a name i can try to get it handled

The leader of redzone told me "facilities" told her that if we curse one more time, we were all gonna be kicked out and not allowed back in for any more games...public safety has backed off alot since last year, now this falls strictly with the st johns administration...when we went to west virginia for the mens soccer big east championship we werent even allowed to chant anything with "sucks" in it because we're "representing st johns"...is this just me being a college student or is that a little ridiculous?

did she really say "facilities," really? so the people that fix the air conditioners and unclog toilets told her to tell us to stop cursing.

what an idiot.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: theoffspring447 on December 14, 2009, 12:38:48 PM
Kev, last year we sold nearly 800 student season tickets lol...so many freshmen just sign up during orientation, their parents buy the tickets and they dont go. Alot of people dont even pick up their season tickets. I agree, I still have a feeling there's gonna be problems at MSG, but we'll see i guess

I don't know who gave you the grief last year, but last week the WHOLE uconn student section was standing the ENTIRE game against kentucky behind the basket. 

Is it the SJU personnel or the MSG people that give u problems at the garden?

at msg, the people that have given me problems were the ushers. so its msg's people.

they seriously treat us like convicts.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: jhafner on December 14, 2009, 12:49:44 PM
With all the losses that occurred to top 35 teams and the fact that the win over Temple is now considered a top 20 team by RPI rating (with their win over Villanova), my prediction is that SJU should be ranked #23 this week.

The win over Fordham was not something in which to be proud.  A win is a win but our level of play was not impressive.  Booth, Horne, Cooker & Brownlee played well.  Evans and Hardy did not bring their A game.

I wish Coach Roberts would use these weak opponents to develop and gel our star talents.  Instead he is using these games to give the B squad playing experience.  We still have a lot of work to do on our defense and we need to develop a half court game.  Of paramount importance, we need to practice on shooting and free throws.  A better coach would have observed that our shooting game was off and called plays to move the ball inside to our bigs.  This would have been a perfect opportunity to put 3 bigs in the lineup as we certainly had a size advantage on Fordham.  Instead, Roberts puts 4 guards in for a good portion of the 2nd half.  We should have beaten this team by 40.   
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: JohnnyJungle on December 14, 2009, 01:40:30 PM
Kev, last year we sold nearly 800 student season tickets lol...so many freshmen just sign up during orientation, their parents buy the tickets and they dont go. Alot of people dont even pick up their season tickets. I agree, I still have a feeling there's gonna be problems at MSG, but we'll see i guess

I don't know who gave you the grief last year, but last week the WHOLE uconn student section was standing the ENTIRE game against kentucky behind the basket. 

Is it the SJU personnel or the MSG people that give u problems at the garden?

UConn students were probably rocking a whole section 15 seats wide and 20 rows deep. St. John's student section isn't a section its 3 heads here, 8 heads there, another 2 over somewhere and grumpy old men and families in between who can't see the game.

I've been campaigning for years for the school to purchase a block of tickets instead of scattering students behind both baskets. 
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 14, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
i dont know if it is traditional to have the student section behind the basket, but it would be awesome to have it front center court opposite of the benches.

it would at least make us look better on tv
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: STJ11Redmen on December 14, 2009, 05:47:59 PM
i dont know if it is traditional to have the student section behind the basket, but it would be awesome to have it front center court opposite of the benches.

it would at least make us look better on tv

Most schools have it behind the basket to influence second half defense and opposing free throws.  At CA the student sections are perfectly placed.  There are some schools that have it along the sideline though like Duke, Oregon State, Michigan to name a few.  And if we were opposite the benches like they used to be before the renovation, you can't see the students on TV because the cameras are behind that side.
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Glockinfora on December 14, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
behind their bench would be really fun haha
Title: Re: St. John's vs Fordham Post Game Discussion
Post by: Mullin20 on December 14, 2009, 07:31:14 PM
Kev, last year we sold nearly 800 student season tickets lol...so many freshmen just sign up during orientation, their parents buy the tickets and they dont go. Alot of people dont even pick up their season tickets. I agree, I still have a feeling there's gonna be problems at MSG, but we'll see i guess

I don't know who gave you the grief last year, but last week the WHOLE uconn student section was standing the ENTIRE game against kentucky behind the basket. 

Is it the SJU personnel or the MSG people that give u problems at the garden?

UConn students were probably rocking a whole section 15 seats wide and 20 rows deep. St. John's student section isn't a section its 3 heads here, 8 heads there, another 2 over somewhere and grumpy old men and families in between who can't see the game.

I've been campaigning for years for the school to purchase a block of tickets instead of scattering students behind both baskets.
More disturbing to me was the fact that our players had nowhere to sit after our game.Dj,Paris,and Sea sat behind me behind the basket and someone showed up in the seats they were sitting in and they got booted. ZI asked why Mr.Orange couldn't get them some seats. We have a2 bit administration.
Also yesterday was billed as a doulbleheader, the only problem was if you had tickets for the Men's game you were not allowed into the Women's game without a ticket for that game. Season tix holder for 35 years, i find this outrageous.