Transfers & Recruits Visiting SJU

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 14, 2016, 11:06:04 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: Wods317 on April 14, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on April 14, 2016, 09:53:32 AM

"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

Poison, didn't he greatly out perform your expectations last season? Perhaps he'll do it again.

He didn't outperform anyone's expectations, much less greatly.

Quote from: Foad on April 14, 2016, 11:23:14 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 14, 2016, 11:06:04 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: Wods317 on April 14, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on April 14, 2016, 09:53:32 AM

"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

Poison, didn't he greatly out perform your expectations last season? Perhaps he'll do it again.

He didn't outperform anyone's expectations, much less greatly.

http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=9689.msg241236#msg241236

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 14, 2016, 12:06:24 PM

Quote from: Foad on April 14, 2016, 11:23:14 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 14, 2016, 11:06:04 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: Wods317 on April 14, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on April 14, 2016, 09:53:32 AM

"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

Poison, didn't he greatly out perform your expectations last season? Perhaps he'll do it again.

He didn't outperform anyone's expectations, much less greatly.

http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=9689.msg241236#msg241236

LOL. I wasn't far off on some, but everything changes when guys like Lovett and Williams aren't playing.

So if they all come, we'll have at least one ship (next year...(.For Livingston)  plus whoever else leaves (Williams. Moose? etc.)

My understanding is this:
1) Looking good with Simon and Clark. They view Simon has a marque talent and Clark as a kid who is a glue-type and with a year off and some weight is more talented than they will most likely recruit....they like him.
2) They have done the due diligence on Livingston and will accept him if he decides he wants to attend. Its 60-40% SJU lean.
3) The greek kid is a too far away if they have other options that can contribute. Its widely been stated correctly so he's hit or miss and right night for the staff he's a fall back option. If he turns out to be like his older brother then obviously they missed out, but he's a long way from that at this point.

Quote from: Wods317 on April 14, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on April 14, 2016, 09:53:32 AM

"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

there is no DH in this sport.

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:52:03 AM

Quote from: RedStormNC on April 14, 2016, 08:15:56 AM

Reading more of those Livingston details, seems like we could be exposed by one missed dosage resulting in back page headlines we don't need.

Tough call for staff if he wants to come here.  Trust they will make an informed decision.

If Livingston reacted this way because he didn't take his meds one morning, I have absolutely no problem inviting him to play for St.John's. That is not the same thing as some thug who thought he could beat up a cop. And furthermore, I think we've all seen or at least read about situations where a cop or cops deserved a punch in the face, or worse. Every situation is unique to itself.

They have meds that prevent felonies, multiple misdemeanors,  punching cops ...?

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: Wods317 on April 14, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Quote from: Lycidas on April 14, 2016, 09:53:32 AM

"I dont see Mussini contributing down the road.    Maybe im wrong Mase.
Freudenberg could be something.   But i think hes a project.   Not expecting a lot right away."

Think that Mussini will be a pleasant surprise next season playing with Lovett/Ponds.  Should get the ball where he can just catch and shoot.  I expect his 3 pt. percentage to top 40 next season.  Also think that Freudenberg, if spotted effectively, will be a solid outside threat. This team is going to need some drop dead shooters to implement CM's preferred style. Right now, Mussini and Freudenberg are our best options to fill that role.

This is the season for Mussini. He played out of position and too many minutes last year so hard to judge him fairly. This will be the year we will see what he can be for us. To get back on topic I would be happy to get Simon and Clark with either Kosta or Livingston rounding out the team

Who in the BE can Mussini get by? The problem wasn't that he was playing out of position. It's that he doesn't have a position. He's not a 2 guard either.

I agree Poison. His lack of foot speed and frame are major obstacles for him to be anything more then a mop up guy . He is a man without a position and there is no DH in this sport.

You keep harping on this.  I haven't read or heard much about the situation.  Obviously anyone that punches a cop is a major red flag, and I don't want a team of bad apples.  But I trust Mullin & Co. will do their diligence; this issue will resonate with Mullin, in particular, given his background. 

David Laury was arrested for assault, if I recall.  Assault is assault.  You had no issue with him staying on Iona, for various reasons.  If we get this kid, I trust the staff's judgment knowing more about the incident than we do.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 14, 2016, 10:56:06 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 14, 2016, 10:52:03 AM

Quote from: RedStormNC on April 14, 2016, 08:15:56 AM

Reading more of those Livingston details, seems like we could be exposed by one missed dosage resulting in back page headlines we don't need.

Tough call for staff if he wants to come here.  Trust they will make an informed decision.

If Livingston reacted this way because he didn't take his meds one morning, I have absolutely no problem inviting him to play for St.John's. That is not the same thing as some thug who thought he could beat up a cop. And furthermore, I think we've all seen or at least read about situations where a cop or cops deserved a punch in the face, or worse. Every situation is unique to itself.

They have meds that prevent felonies, multiple misdemeanors,  punching cops ...?

It sounds like this kid was more than likely off his meds. Why else would he be at the facility. I don't know to many 20 year olds that hang out at psychiatric hospitals.  Perhaps he suffers from some ailment. We obviously don't know the whole story. I feel bad for the kid if that is the case. I feel bad for the Police Officer for suffering an injury and a cheap shot for being labeled a "dirty cop" on our website.

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  4m4 minutes ago
Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo is also considering USC, Seton Hall, UNLV, Georgetown, and. St. John's, sources told @CBSSports.

Hopefully this is just nothing more than a contingency plan. Not sure what I'm missing here and why all of these high major schools are after him. He's not that good

Quote from: goredmen on April 14, 2016, 05:38:03 PM

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein  4m4 minutes ago
Tennessee transfer Ray Kasongo is also considering USC, Seton Hall, UNLV, Georgetown, and. St. John's, sources told @CBSSports.

Hopefully this is just nothing more than a contingency plan. Not sure what I'm missing here and why all of these high major schools are after him. He's not that good

Told we are not recruiting him.

Quote from: Marillac on April 13, 2016, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: desco80 on April 13, 2016, 02:07:53 PM

I am genuinely surprised how many of you think the program should go after a kid who punched a cop.

What if Sean had felt that way about Will Hunting after he hit a cop?
I was involved in a malay while I was younger where a friend hit an undercover cop in the cesspool that is Newburgh, NY. He got his ass handed to him by the judge, but was a good kid that just got caught in a horrible situation of dozens of people fighting, police dogs running around unleashed biting people, and people attacking others while the police were arresting them. Point is, it's not black and white.

I hear you.  Things do happen.  I'm a defense attorney lol.  I give arguments for justification and leniency all the time.
I'm not saying he's definitively a bad kid or that he shouldn't be offered any second chances in life.

I'm just saying the program comes first.  And if this was Lavin, I'd say he's putting the program at risk.  This could easily be a kid who never makes it to campus.  Or does, and then screws up again.
And he might not too.  Maybe it is an isolated incident.
But why take the chance?
You have a right to live freely after you've been punished for your crime. 
You don't have a RIGHT to play college basketball.
It's a privilege, bestowed on those whom the schools feel deserve it.

Quote from: desco80 on April 13, 2016, 11:57:22 PM

Quote from: Marillac on April 13, 2016, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: desco80 on April 13, 2016, 02:07:53 PM

I am genuinely surprised how many of you think the program should go after a kid who punched a cop.

What if Sean had felt that way about Will Hunting after he hit a cop?
I was involved in a malay while I was younger where a friend hit an undercover cop in the cesspool that is Newburgh, NY. He got his ass handed to him by the judge, but was a good kid that just got caught in a horrible situation of dozens of people fighting, police dogs running around unleashed biting people, and people attacking others while the police were arresting them. Point is, it's not black and white.

I hear you.  Things do happen.  I'm a defense attorney lol.  I give arguments for justification and leniency all the time.
I'm not saying he's definitively a bad kid or that he shouldn't be offered any second chances in life.

I'm just saying the program comes first.  And if this was Lavin, I'd say he's putting the program at risk.  This could easily be a kid who never makes it to campus.  Or does, and then screws up again.
And he might not too.  Maybe it is an isolated incident.
But why take the chance?
You have a right to live freely after you've been punished for your crime. 
You don't have a RIGHT to play college basketball.
It's a privilege, bestowed on those whom the schools feel deserve it.

gotta give Desco props on this and I don't even agree on Livingston but Desco would have killed Lavin for recruiting him so I appreciate him having the same attitude now with recruits.

That being said anything short of armed robbery of the red cross I'm all on the Livingston bandwagon and if he can average 10 and 7 then I can look the other way on that too

Point is, it's not black and white.