Zach B SJU Recruiting Critique

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team. I hope the new guys are much better. I am aware we are not winning the big east, but a decent season hopefully can be possible. A red shirt would help him but not us. He has already been recruited over. If he is our last guard and our 12/13 th man we will be good.
Mussini, he can eat protein shakes and lift weights all off season and still be not be strong. He can run and do agility drills and still not be fast enough. The coaches need to have a plan for him. Not just play him 20 minutes. They have to hide him on defense. On offense he has to play with a group that will get him shots. Playing him like hooper as a decoy doesn't work. I don't remember many screens set for him last year.

I hope he gets buried on the bench next year.

I hope he gets gangrene and has his legs amputated lest he transfer and get minutes elsewhere.

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team. I hope the new guys are much better. I am aware we are not winning the big east, but a decent season hopefully can be possible. A red shirt would help him but not us. He has already been recruited over. If he is our last guard and our 12/13 th man we will be good.
Mussini, he can eat protein shakes and lift weights all off season and still be not be strong. He can run and do agility drills and still not be fast enough. The coaches need to have a plan for him. Not just play him 20 minutes. They have to hide him on defense. On offense he has to play with a group that will get him shots. Playing him like hooper as a decoy doesn't work. I don't remember many screens set for him last year.

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.  Instead of hiding him on, let him actually play d, or he can leave. Kid like that, without a natural position should be playing much harder. I think he gets buried on the bench next season with Mussini before transferring to Drexel.

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team.

He's got good pedigree and he's missed a lot of time early on.  Lets not be to harsh with this kid for now. Give him two years to develop.  If he's not much better by next February, then it will be time to transfer.  He'll then get a year to work out and develop his game at a lower level. Two years from now we will have Clarke and Simon active, so if he hasn't improved by then, he should definitely transfer.

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:56:46 AM

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team.

He's got good pedigree and he's missed a lot of time early on.  Lets not be to harsh with this kid for now. Give him two years to develop.  If he's not much better by next February, then it will be time to transfer.  He'll then get a year to work out and develop his game at a lower level. Two years from now we will have Clarke and Simon active, so if he hasn't improved by then, he should definitely transfer.

I think it's fair to say that the 2016 Red Storm were the best 1 and 17 ever and that everyone should transfer or red shirt because we are loaded.

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

Quote from: WillieG on April 24, 2016, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:56:46 AM

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team.

He's got good pedigree and he's missed a lot of time early on.  Lets not be to harsh with this kid for now. Give him two years to develop.  If he's not much better by next February, then it will be time to transfer.  He'll then get a year to work out and develop his game at a lower level. Two years from now we will have Clarke and Simon active, so if he hasn't improved by then, he should definitely transfer.

I think it's fair to say that the 2016 Red Storm were the best 1 and 17 ever and that everyone should transfer or red shirt because we are loaded.

I said he should transfer, if he doesn't improve, after next year.  Not this year.  What are you talking about?

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 09:45:10 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

Mase Jr made a roster didnt he?

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 06:04:27 PM

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 09:45:10 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

Mase Jr made a roster didnt he?

I don't believe he did.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 24, 2016, 06:32:50 PM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 06:04:27 PM

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 09:45:10 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

Mase Jr made a roster didnt he?

I don't believe he did.

cut after training camp
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DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ showed potential as a freshman. And he was better than Ellison. But I think time often makes us look back on players and give them more credit than they really deserve. In BE play, I'm not so sure that DJ and Malik were so far apart. DJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-season games. Ellison only played in two games.

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 06:03:29 PM

Quote from: WillieG on April 24, 2016, 05:47:03 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:56:46 AM

Ellison is a good athlete. He will get bigger and stronger. On a Norm team, where he would get plenty of minutes he would improve. He would have a decent junior year and a good senior season . I hope he gets buried on the bench next year. I don't think he is ready to contribute much to a winning team.

He's got good pedigree and he's missed a lot of time early on.  Lets not be to harsh with this kid for now. Give him two years to develop.  If he's not much better by next February, then it will be time to transfer.  He'll then get a year to work out and develop his game at a lower level. Two years from now we will have Clarke and Simon active, so if he hasn't improved by then, he should definitely transfer.

I think it's fair to say that the 2016 Red Storm were the best 1 and 17 ever and that everyone should transfer or red shirt because we are loaded.

I said he should transfer, if he doesn't improve, after next year.  Not this year.  What are you talking about?

Good question...

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:36:18 PM

DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ showed potential as a freshman. And he was better than Ellison. But I think time often makes us look back on players and give them more credit than they really deserve. In BE play, I'm not so sure that DJ and Malik were so far apart. DJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-season games. Ellison only played in two games.

DJ was a far superior player as a freshmen.

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 09:45:10 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

"I like Omari bringing it up"

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 08:00:05 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:36:18 PM

DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ showed potential as a freshman. And he was better than Ellison. But I think time often makes us look back on players and give them more credit than they really deserve. In BE play, I'm not so sure that DJ and Malik were so far apart. DJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-season games. Ellison only played in two games.

DJ was a far superior player as a freshmen.

I'm not so sure about that. In less minutes, Ellison's numbers weren't far off from DJ's. DJ was better. I'm not debating that at all. But Ellison, from February on, did show improvement.

Both players routinely played in BE games where they were down by a significant amount of points, but I don't think the BE season was so different for either player.

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 06:04:27 PM

Quote from: Foad on April 24, 2016, 09:45:10 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

He's DJ Kennedy with a shittier handle and less overall ability.

DJ Kennedy was another of Norm's players who played in the NBA.

Yes, because of Steve Lavin and his staff. In his 6 years at St.John's, Norm stood in the way of every single player he coached. Not one guy made the league before being coached by someone else first.

"I like Omari bringing it up"

No, Balamou should.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 24, 2016, 08:25:29 PM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 08:00:05 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:36:18 PM

DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ showed potential as a freshman. And he was better than Ellison. But I think time often makes us look back on players and give them more credit than they really deserve. In BE play, I'm not so sure that DJ and Malik were so far apart. DJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-season games. Ellison only played in two games.

DJ was a far superior player as a freshmen.

I'm not so sure about that. In less minutes, Ellison's numbers weren't far off from DJ's. DJ was better. I'm not debating that at all. But Ellison, from February on, did show improvement.

Both players routinely played in BE games where they were down by a significant amount of points, but I don't think the BE season was so different for either player.

Fair and I am not an Ellison hater in the least, but I didnt take you for a stats guy. Mussini averaged double digits and he is worth about as much to you as a plane ticket to Bismarck

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 08:29:19 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on April 24, 2016, 08:25:29 PM

Quote from: Poison on April 24, 2016, 08:00:05 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 24, 2016, 07:36:18 PM

DJ was way smarter. Even as a freshman.

DJ showed potential as a freshman. And he was better than Ellison. But I think time often makes us look back on players and give them more credit than they really deserve. In BE play, I'm not so sure that DJ and Malik were so far apart. DJ had the benefit of playing in the pre-season games. Ellison only played in two games.

DJ was a far superior player as a freshmen.

I'm not so sure about that. In less minutes, Ellison's numbers weren't far off from DJ's. DJ was better. I'm not debating that at all. But Ellison, from February on, did show improvement.

Both players routinely played in BE games where they were down by a significant amount of points, but I don't think the BE season was so different for either player.

Fair and I am not an Ellison hater in the least, but I didnt take you for a stats guy. Mussini averaged double digits and he is worth about as much to you as a plane ticket to Bismarck

I'm not a straight stats guy. You're right about that. Neither player's stats meant much in terms of helping the team, because both DJ's team and Ellison's were terrible.

One of DJ's better skills was his ability to get in the lane, and either finish or draw contact. He did it from day one. Ellison didn't, but from February on he started to drive with a purpose, he started to pass the ball with some accuracy, and he hit more of his free throws. In December, it looked as if he believed the other team would happily move aside as he dribbled towards the basket.

I think his potential, should he reach it at St.John's will be similar to what DJ did here. Ellison isn't a point guard, but having played the point in February will help the overall development of his game. He was pretty terrible in January, but he went from terrible to mildly promising freshman who could become a good role player for us.

He needs to continue to learn how to play. DJ was further along. Ellison has no clue on defense, he doesn't rebound well at all and he needs to hit the weight room. (As do all of them)