Trust the Process

Quote from: Celtics11 on January 06, 2018, 08:03:37 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 06, 2018, 01:55:47 PM

If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.

If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
 We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.

Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all

Why can't they both suck?

Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.

Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

I could accept last year as year #2 and a setup for a step forward in year #3.  If this continues, hard to accept.

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on January 06, 2018, 08:03:37 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 06, 2018, 01:55:47 PM

If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.

If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
 We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.

Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all

Why can't they both suck?

Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.

Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

I could accept last year as year #2 and a setup for a step forward in year #3.  If this continues, hard to accept.

Mullin’s best talent as a coach is that he’s Chris Mullin. Goodman called it right. He’s not doing the job. The media needs to teach him a lesson. Enough with the coddling. He campaigned for this, and now he’s got to own up to being the worst coach we’ve ever had. Mullin should be ashamed of himself, but star athletes are delusional. He probably thinks this is all on the players.

This team has zero identity. Tony is right, they play absolutely no defense and horrible shooters take horrible shots and this happens consistently every game. They were fine racking up 10 wins against cupcakes but there is no game plan when they go against good teams and that is when they really get exposed. Losing Mussini hurt them a lot he was a spark plug for them that they lack now. Ahmed is real frustrating to watch because he has the talent to be a good player he just has such a low basketball iq. Lavin was a horrible, awful coach but Mullin takes the cake as the worst ever. Nobody improves under him and this joke of a staff is Just super lazy and they almost come across as feeling privileged. Patrick Ewing would coach circles around Mullin. The last best coach we had and it was by a fluke was. Mike Dunlap. Not saying he could've recruited players that Lavin was able to bring in but the one year he ran the show all the players improved and it was fun to watch. Yawkwe was actually decent and has completely regressed under this staff and now has just lost all his confidence. Seems like the same is happening to Ponds as well. We are the worst team in the league this year no doubt. We have actually had a soft first 4 games to start BE play compared to what it could be. I pegged them to win 6 BE games before conference play started and now they will be lucky to achieve half that number. The NIT even seems like a reach. This is not a good team and like someone said there is no process in college hoops anymore. This isn't the pros.

Quote from: Celtics11 on January 06, 2018, 08:03:37 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 06, 2018, 01:55:47 PM

If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.

If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
 We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.

Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all

Why can't they both suck?

Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.

Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Concur.

Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire.  I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.

Quote from: colelatshaw2010 on January 06, 2018, 10:24:52 PM

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday

I probably would've signed up for those results after sitting through 83-118 in the 7 sanction filled years post Jarvis.

Quote from: colelatshaw2010 on January 06, 2018, 10:24:52 PM

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday

Lol, I love how you gloss over the fact that he brought us to the tournament twice, and for the first time in a decade, after many considered our program dead and buried.

Quote from: goredmen on January 06, 2018, 10:30:39 PM

Quote from: colelatshaw2010 on January 06, 2018, 10:24:52 PM

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

And all he did with them was one NIT win, a 1st round NIT loss in embarrassing fashion to Robert Morris and being uncompetitive as a 9 seed after he self-sabotaged his own program on selection sunday

Lol, I love how you gloss over the fact that he brought us to the tournament twice, and for the first time in a decade, after many considered our program dead and buried.

If you read which comment I was addressing you would see that I was referring specifically to what he accomplished with his own recruits, of which nothing I said was incorrect

guys-Waste of time to start litigating the Lavin years.  He ain't coming back and that is going on 3 years removed now.

Let's just concentrate on the here and now.  Coach Mullin needs to get this thing turned around very quickly.

I can't imagine having a 5-13 type season going into year 4 and the ENORMOUS pressure he would be under. 

Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game?  If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.

I believe we were 7-11 in BE regular season last year.

We're 0-4 now, so we'd have to go 7-5 rest of way just to match.

Matching W total is bad enough, anything under is a serious step backward, and merits many questions and hopefully changes to assistants

Quote from: mjdinkins on January 06, 2018, 08:43:32 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Concur.

Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire.  I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.

The problem is how they do things. There is never an intelligent plan in place. There is nothing wrong with hiring a top assistant. It’s not like that plan has never worked anywhere. St.John’s needs to remove themselves from the decision making process.

I believe we were 7-11 in BE regular season last year.

We're 0-4 now, so we'd have to go 7-5 rest of way just to match.

Matching W total is bad enough, anything under is a serious step backward, and merits many questions and hopefully changes to assistants

Not a math major I see.

Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game?  If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.

Problem is Mullin probably cracked a joke.

Is it true, guys were laughing on bench at end of game?  If true, Mullin better send a message tomorrow that this season is on brink of spiraling out of control. And guys better look st themselves in mirror.

Someone needs to send Mullin the message

You're right....7-7

Past my bedtime...

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on January 06, 2018, 08:03:37 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 06, 2018, 01:55:47 PM

If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.

If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
 We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.

Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all

Why can't they both suck?

Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.

Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

Yes he started off doing a great job recruiting the problem is he stopped in favor of European vacations and the banquet circuit.

Quote from: colelatshaw2010 on January 06, 2018, 10:36:15 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on January 06, 2018, 08:43:32 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Concur.

Problem is our president is a known cost cutter. If Mullin fails I sincerely doubt we open up the checkbook for another splashy hire.  I dread what position our program would be in if we fired Mullin and then gambled on a Norm Roberts type assistant coach.

The problem is how they do things. There is never an intelligent plan in place. There is nothing wrong with hiring a top assistant. It’s not like that plan has never worked anywhere. St.John’s needs to remove themselves from the decision making process.

I don't disagree that the top assistant route pays off occasionally but I think you need to be as risk averse as possible when dealing with a program that has only just begun to claw back to relevancy.

Quote from: colelatshaw2010 on January 06, 2018, 10:24:52 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 06, 2018, 08:20:02 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on January 06, 2018, 08:03:37 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 06, 2018, 01:55:47 PM

If Johnny jungle didn’t exist and fans just watched Basketball and read the sports page Steve Lavin would still be coach and most fans would have been happy. I am sure their was some non sense. But many of your recollections are just so off. Do you guys remember Dwight hardy? Dom and Harrison’s 4 years were at times disappointing. But for 4 years we beat some good teams. The garden had some decent crowds and most wore read and went home happy. After 5 years, the fan base had enough of that. And then he was fired. The program left even worse then when he got here.
These 3 years have been awful. Never had to happen. What is worse is that same fan base who watched us get killed under norm Roberts seems happier. Lifetime contracts. Trust the process.

If anyone watched St. John’s games without knowing we had a famous coach they would know we don’t play defense . That is not an opinion- this team gives up 80,90, 100 points like it is the game plan.
 We take bad shots- bad shooters shoot whenever and wherever they want. We don’t rebound- we don’t box out- last game was by 20. We’re they so big?
If we fix those 3 things we can compete. I don’t believe we will. Because I don’t trust the process.
Every wide open shot Ahmed gives and opponent , every missed dunk in warmups( yes that matters), any terrible 3 pointer taken by a player who has no business taking one, any time we give up 90 in a game make me trust that their is no process.

Do you remember how we started BE seasons with Lav? Speaking of recollections and all

Why can't they both suck?

Because they both don’t suck. Lavin recruited better players, and he won more games. Maybe they were right to move on but hiring a coach with zero experience who clearly doesn’t think that matters was an error in judgement which was consistent with the St.John’s braintrust.

Anyone who loves Mullin enough to accept a shittier coaching performance than Norm Roberts can go F themselves. He puts together another season like he did last year, he can go take a hike

Recruiting is the life blood of college sports. The anti lav folks completely gloss over the fact that six of the eight highest rated sju recruits of the last 15 years were lavin recruits.

Yes he started off doing a great job recruiting the problem is he stopped in favor of European vacations and the banquet circuit.

Yeah I'm sure it didn't take any effort at all to land Sampson and have us in the mix for diallo and briscoe despite being a lame duck.