NIT

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Having a .500 record has not been a requirement to make the NIT for the past 12 years. That said, no team at or under .500 has every received an at large to the NIT.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

NIT is experimenting. Moving the 3 point line back and playing 4 quarters instead of halves

NIT is experimenting. Moving the 3 point line back and playing 4 quarters instead of halves

Seems like they experiment new rule ideas in the NIT and the other small postseason tournaments every year. Might as well

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Having a .500 record has not been a requirement to make the NIT for the past 12 years. That said, no team at or under .500 has every received an at large to the NIT.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

They most likely wouldn't pass on a .500 team that has beat Nova and Duke as well as a couple other tournament teams with our SOS and RPI and Quadrants and all that mumbo jumbo.

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Having a .500 record has not been a requirement to make the NIT for the past 12 years. That said, no team at or under .500 has every received an at large to the NIT.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

They most likely wouldn't pass on a .500 team that has beat Nova and Duke as well as a couple other tournament teams with our SOS and RPI and Quadrants and all that mumbo jumbo.

Perhaps, but it's definitely not a lock like some people seem to think if we finish .500 which is highly unlikely in and of itself. It would come down to how many automatic bids there ends up being. Could be a bunch, could be none

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Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Having a .500 record has not been a requirement to make the NIT for the past 12 years. That said, no team at or under .500 has every received an at large to the NIT.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

They most likely wouldn't pass on a .500 team that has beat Nova and Duke as well as a couple other tournament teams with our SOS and RPI and Quadrants and all that mumbo jumbo.

Perhaps, but it's definitely not a lock like some people seem to think if we finish .500 which is highly unlikely in and of itself. It would come down to how many automatic bids there ends up being. Could be a bunch, could be none

It's a lot of 'ifs' for sure but you want to put yourself in the best position.

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I'm not really concerned whether they make the Nit or not. Haven't been into it since the luster came off and it ceased being the true national championship post scandals.

Plus, now the ridiculous new rule tryouts give the whole thing a circus flair.

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I don't follow your logic. Two more wins means either a road win over a top 40 RPI team and a neutral court win + a game against Xavier OR a loss @Providence and two neutral court Big East Tournament wins...one being Xavier. Our RPI would be low to mid 60's. We'd be a lock.

Two losses would knock our RPI down to 90. No way we'd be in. That's almost a 30 point RPI swing. It's not just wins and losses.

Quote from: goredmen on March 02, 2018, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I don't follow your logic. Two more wins means either a road win over a top 40 RPI team and a neutral court win + a game against Xavier OR a loss @Providence and two neutral court Big East Tournament wins...one being Xavier. Our RPI would be low to mid 60's. We'd be a lock.

Two losses would knock our RPI down to 90. No way we'd be in. That's almost a 30 point RPI swing. It's not just wins and losses.

If we beat Prov + Gtown then lose to X it would depend how many automatic bids are in the NIT. If there's 15 like there were two years ago that leaves 17 at large NIT spots. At quick glance I count 13 teams that would get in over us without question, and I'm probably missing a couple. That makes us an NIT bubble team. If there are only 10 automatic bids then obviously a much better spot but still no lock.

This will probably end up being moot anyway

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 02, 2018, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I don't follow your logic. Two more wins means either a road win over a top 40 RPI team and a neutral court win + a game against Xavier OR a loss @Providence and two neutral court Big East Tournament wins...one being Xavier. Our RPI would be low to mid 60's. We'd be a lock.

Two losses would knock our RPI down to 90. No way we'd be in. That's almost a 30 point RPI swing. It's not just wins and losses.

If we beat Prov + Gtown then lose to X it would depend how many automatic bids are in the NIT. If there's 15 like there were two years ago that leaves 17 at large NIT spots. At quick glance I count 13 teams that would get in over us without question, and I'm probably missing a couple. That makes us an NIT bubble team. If there are only 10 automatic bids then obviously a much better spot but still no lock.

This will probably end up being moot anyway

You are just flat out wrong. Two more wins and we are not only in, but we are a high seed. It's really not even debatable. Our resume would be insane for the NIT.

Quote from: goredmen on March 02, 2018, 05:43:50 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 02, 2018, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I don't follow your logic. Two more wins means either a road win over a top 40 RPI team and a neutral court win + a game against Xavier OR a loss @Providence and two neutral court Big East Tournament wins...one being Xavier. Our RPI would be low to mid 60's. We'd be a lock.

Two losses would knock our RPI down to 90. No way we'd be in. That's almost a 30 point RPI swing. It's not just wins and losses.

If we beat Prov + Gtown then lose to X it would depend how many automatic bids are in the NIT. If there's 15 like there were two years ago that leaves 17 at large NIT spots. At quick glance I count 13 teams that would get in over us without question, and I'm probably missing a couple. That makes us an NIT bubble team. If there are only 10 automatic bids then obviously a much better spot but still no lock.

This will probably end up being moot anyway

You are just flat out wrong. Two more wins and we are not only in, but we are a high seed. It's really not even debatable. Our resume would be insane for the NIT.

So you're saying a team that is 1 game over .500 with only 2 good wins the entire season would have an insane resume? That's clueless. Our resume would be about on par with Boston College's. Yes, we have 2 REALLY good wins, but other bubble/NIT teams have good wins too, and they didn't lose 11 in a row with one of those being to DePaul and 2 to Georgetown.

Washington, UCLA, Nebraska, Marquette, Syracuse, Miss State, LSU, Penn State, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Texas, Boise State are all teams on the wrong side of the bubble that clearly have better resumes than us even if we pick up 2 more wins.

Maryland, Boston College, Georgia, Notre Dame, San Diego State and maybe even Western Kentucky would be about on par with us probably among a couple others.

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 07:01:39 PM

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Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 04:40:02 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 02, 2018, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 02, 2018, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: goredmen on March 01, 2018, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: braintrust on March 01, 2018, 06:09:38 PM

With the need for a .500 record or better to qualify for the NIT, are we looking at the Providence game as a play-in for the NIT? Win and we are guaranteed a .500 record, lose and we would have to win two BE Tournament games.

Obviously we'd have to pull a UCONN to get into NCAAs.

Even if we win 2 more games this season and finish .500 (unlikely), we'd be far from a lock to make it.

False. Two more wins and we'd be an absolute lock and probably get a pretty good seed.

Ok, so considering that .500 is no longer a requirement to make the NIT and hasn't been for 12 years now, if we are an absolute lock with 2 more wins we should at the very least be comfortable to get in regardless, right?

I don't follow your logic. Two more wins means either a road win over a top 40 RPI team and a neutral court win + a game against Xavier OR a loss @Providence and two neutral court Big East Tournament wins...one being Xavier. Our RPI would be low to mid 60's. We'd be a lock.

Two losses would knock our RPI down to 90. No way we'd be in. That's almost a 30 point RPI swing. It's not just wins and losses.

If we beat Prov + Gtown then lose to X it would depend how many automatic bids are in the NIT. If there's 15 like there were two years ago that leaves 17 at large NIT spots. At quick glance I count 13 teams that would get in over us without question, and I'm probably missing a couple. That makes us an NIT bubble team. If there are only 10 automatic bids then obviously a much better spot but still no lock.

This will probably end up being moot anyway

You are just flat out wrong. Two more wins and we are not only in, but we are a high seed. It's really not even debatable. Our resume would be insane for the NIT.

So you're saying a team that is 1 game over .500 with only 2 good wins the entire season would have an insane resume? That's clueless. Our resume would be about on par with Boston College's. Yes, we have 2 REALLY good wins, but other bubble/NIT teams have good wins too, and they didn't lose 11 in a row with one of those being to DePaul and 2 to Georgetown.

Washington, UCLA, Nebraska, Marquette, Syracuse, Miss State, LSU, Penn State, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Texas, Boise State are all teams on the wrong side of the bubble that clearly have better resumes than us even if we pick up 2 more wins.

Maryland, Boston College, Georgia, Notre Dame, San Diego State and maybe even Western Kentucky would be about on par with us probably among a couple others.

So he has gone from saying that finishing 7-11 and 18-13 was a lock for making to NCAA's to now saying winning the next 2 is a lock for the NIT.    A 17-16 record with an RPI in the 80's and a 5-13 league record with 3 of those losses to teams outside the top 100 in the RPI is not a lock.  There will be plenty of Power 6 conference teams with similar resume's.  Do they have a shot?  Yes.  But hardly a lock.

BTW-Rider, the MAAC regular season champ, just got beat by St. Peter's in the MAAC Tourney.  And that means Rider will be heading into the NIT as the MAAC regular season champion.  In other words they steal a bid from a potential power 6 team that could get an at large.

Marquette is a #1 seed in the NIT right now

Marquette is a #1 seed in the NIT right now

Yeah, whats your point?

BTW-Rider, the MAAC regular season champ, just got beat by St. Peter's in the MAAC Tourney.  And that means Rider will be heading into the NIT as the MAAC regular season champion.  In other words they steal a bid from a potential power 6 team that could get an at large.

UNC Asheville punches their ticket to the NIT with a loss in the Big South tournament

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 02, 2018, 10:21:59 PM

Marquette is a #1 seed in the NIT right now

Yeah, whats your point?

That they are a #1 seed right now.