Big East Tournament

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2018, 12:53:49 PM »
Georgetown opens as 4.5 point underdogs against St. John's tomorrow night in the Big East Tournament.
Bulletin board material. We beat them twice finished ahead of them in the standings and yet we are four and a half point underdogs.

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2018, 01:08:47 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2018, 01:37:35 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

They could change it but it has always been that way in the Quarterfinal round based on projections 1/8 at noon, 4/5 after.  Night, 2/7 followed by 3/6.  Same structure since the beginning of the BE.  Just easier when they had 9 teams during the 80's and early 90's the only thing was the Thursday night 8/9 game getting the 1 seed at noon on Friday.  Coming home from school and watching the QF's on Channel 9 was the best.

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2018, 02:14:04 PM »
Per Zach B
Chris Mullin said Shamorie Ponds practiced yesterday fully and looked “pretty good.” But wouldn’t reveal much else on status. Will see how he gets through today #sjubb

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2018, 02:22:06 PM »
If we win and depaul wins do we play nova in the late game?
No. Bracket does not change

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2018, 02:25:31 PM »
Ponds will play and I'm sure he is expecting to go Kemba.

I'd like to see Mullin come out with AA starting and Ponds on the bench for as long as they can get away with it.

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2018, 02:28:33 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

They could change it but it has always been that way in the Quarterfinal round based on projections 1/8 at noon, 4/5 after.  Night, 2/7 followed by 3/6.  Same structure since the beginning of the BE.  Just easier when they had 9 teams during the 80's and early 90's the only thing was the Thursday night 8/9 game getting the 1 seed at noon on Friday.  Coming home from school and watching the QF's on Channel 9 was the best.

I understand it and I agree with it. You have to protect your top teams for the good of the league. It's just brutal when your team is in the 8/9 game and has to win the tournament to dance.
That said, this is the path we could have asked for.

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2018, 02:42:22 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

They could change it but it has always been that way in the Quarterfinal round based on projections 1/8 at noon, 4/5 after.  Night, 2/7 followed by 3/6.  Same structure since the beginning of the BE.  Just easier when they had 9 teams during the 80's and early 90's the only thing was the Thursday night 8/9 game getting the 1 seed at noon on Friday.  Coming home from school and watching the QF's on Channel 9 was the best.

But, those teams (8/9) would play during the day, and turn around and play at the same time the following day.  I, vividly recall during the late 90's and early 2000's.  So, there wasn't any disadvantage.

The Big East should adopt how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it (teams who play at 'noon will play at 'noon the following day and so forth).  Or, even the Big 12.  For example, the winner of our game tomorrow would play at 2:30pm in the Big 12 the following day.  I could deal with that scenario versus the current alignment by the Big East for the 8/9 winner.

I understand it and I agree with it. You have to protect your top teams for the good of the league. It's just brutal when your team is in the 8/9 game and has to win the tournament to dance.  That said, this is the path we could have asked for.

The conferences I mentioned above doesn't seem to so concerned about protecting their top teams.  I understand the reason behind it, too.  But, it's also about attempting to put a good product out on the floor, even if you're attempting to protect your top teams.  Like I said, I'd even be fine with the Big 12 approach by the 7pm winner playing at 2:30pm the following day.  But, I love how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it.  That's how the Big East use to do some years back.
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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2018, 02:57:18 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

They could change it but it has always been that way in the Quarterfinal round based on projections 1/8 at noon, 4/5 after.  Night, 2/7 followed by 3/6.  Same structure since the beginning of the BE.  Just easier when they had 9 teams during the 80's and early 90's the only thing was the Thursday night 8/9 game getting the 1 seed at noon on Friday.  Coming home from school and watching the QF's on Channel 9 was the best.

But, those teams (8/9) would play during the day, and turn around and play at the same time the following day.  I, vividly recall during the late 90's and early 2000's.  So, there wasn't any disadvantage.

The Big East should adopt how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it (teams who play at 'noon will play at 'noon the following day and so forth).  Or, even the Big 12.  For example, the winner of our game tomorrow would play at 2:30pm in the Big 12 the following day.  I could deal with that scenario versus the current alignment by the Big East for the 8/9 winner.

I understand it and I agree with it. You have to protect your top teams for the good of the league. It's just brutal when your team is in the 8/9 game and has to win the tournament to dance.  That said, this is the path we could have asked for.

The conferences I mentioned above doesn't seem to so concerned about protecting their top teams.  I understand the reason behind it, too.  But, it's also about attempting to put a good product out on the floor, even if you're attempting to protect your top teams.  Like I said, I'd even be fine with the Big 12 approach by the 7pm winner playing at 2:30pm the following day.  But, I love how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it.  That's how the Big East use to do some years back.

No Dink not the early BE in the 80'2 and 90's.  Before Miami joined in 1991/92 when the BE was at 9 the 8/9 game was on Thursday NIGHT.  The winner came back the next day at noon and played the #1 seed.

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2018, 03:08:52 PM »
I fully expect to beat Gtown. Xavier 14 hours later seems like the toughest obstacle. That game was specifically designed to put the 8/9 winner at a supreme disadvantage.

Actually, it was really designed to give the 1 seed, an extra two hours of rest going forward, against their semifinal opponent.  That's also why the 2 seed plays the 7/10 winner at night, before the 3-6 game.  If seedings hold, then the better team has the somewhat extra rest, and coaches do value that on back-to-backs. 

It's not an issue in the NCAA Tournament, because the day off in between games cancels it out (at least, that's the perception, anyway).

I don't disagree that the one seed has advantages in the later rounds, but those advantages are slight compared to the second round. We're talking about one team coming off 4 full days of rest and another that gets back to their hotel at 12:30 AM and has to be back to MSG nine hours later. 14 hours from the end of one game to the start of another is very hard.

The Big East could have easily given the 8/9 winner the 7:00 or 9:30 game the second day for more rest, but they don't want the 8/9 seed ruining the #1 seed's NCAA tournament seeding.

Interestingly the #7 seed is far more protected. They get a 7:00 PM start the second day. That game could have easily been at 2:30. Why isn't it? Because the 7 seed is usually on the bubble. We got 7 teams in last year and this year Marquette is right on the bubble as the 7 seed.

In the unlikely event they beat Xavier, SJU will get 28 hours to recover before the third round.

They could change it but it has always been that way in the Quarterfinal round based on projections 1/8 at noon, 4/5 after.  Night, 2/7 followed by 3/6.  Same structure since the beginning of the BE.  Just easier when they had 9 teams during the 80's and early 90's the only thing was the Thursday night 8/9 game getting the 1 seed at noon on Friday.  Coming home from school and watching the QF's on Channel 9 was the best.

But, those teams (8/9) would play during the day, and turn around and play at the same time the following day.  I, vividly recall during the late 90's and early 2000's.  So, there wasn't any disadvantage.

The Big East should adopt how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it (teams who play at 'noon will play at 'noon the following day and so forth).  Or, even the Big 12.  For example, the winner of our game tomorrow would play at 2:30pm in the Big 12 the following day.  I could deal with that scenario versus the current alignment by the Big East for the 8/9 winner.

I understand it and I agree with it. You have to protect your top teams for the good of the league. It's just brutal when your team is in the 8/9 game and has to win the tournament to dance.  That said, this is the path we could have asked for.

The conferences I mentioned above doesn't seem to so concerned about protecting their top teams.  I understand the reason behind it, too.  But, it's also about attempting to put a good product out on the floor, even if you're attempting to protect your top teams.  Like I said, I'd even be fine with the Big 12 approach by the 7pm winner playing at 2:30pm the following day.  But, I love how the ACC, Pac-12, and Big 10 does it.  That's how the Big East use to do some years back.

No Dink not the early BE in the 80'2 and 90's.  Before Miami joined in 1991/92 when the BE was at 9 the 8/9 game was on Thursday NIGHT.  The winner came back the next day at noon and played the #1 seed.

I, vividly recall the St. John's/Boston College winner in 1989 (BC won) played at night, and ended up playing Georgetown (the #1 seed) at the same time the following night.  The Big East routinely did it the way the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 12 currently does it.  They may have done it the way you presented, but it wasn't for long.
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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2018, 05:06:32 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/11/sports/big-east-tournament-georgetown-erases-boston-college-moves-into-semifinals.hquo

Thanks, cap!  That's the format the Big East has always used outside of when CBS received the rights for the semifinals and finals of the Big East Tournament.  It was actually a similar format, as the two, winning teams (on the "late" CBS start)  may have played played at 7pm and 9:30 the previous evening, respectively, would play at 4 or 4:30pm the following day on CBS in the semifinals on a Saturday.

The conference went back to their regular format after going back to ESPN.  I've been watching the Big East Tournament since 1984 and have always recall 'em using the format as the ACC, PAC-12, and Big 10 currently uses until recently.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2018, 05:07:59 PM by mjdinkins »

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2018, 06:50:27 AM »
Good luck all.  Have fun tonight. I'll see you there.   :)

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2018, 12:15:59 PM »
Ponds will play and I'm sure he is expecting to go Kemba.

I'd like to see Mullin come out with AA starting and Ponds on the bench for as long as they can get away with it.
memory not great, was Jerry MaC's tourny on par with Kemba's?

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2018, 12:23:53 PM »
This team is mental prepares as can be. They dealt with the drama of Lovett leaving, they didn’t quit despite 11 game losing streak, They beat a tournament team without their best player, and played hard against another fighting to get an NCAA Birth. They should be the zen masters of one day, one minute, and one game at a time. Hopefully they put everything they learned  over this season and do something special over the next few days.
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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2018, 12:41:27 PM »
Ponds will play and I'm sure he is expecting to go Kemba.

I'd like to see Mullin come out with AA starting and Ponds on the bench for as long as they can get away with it.
memory not great, was Jerry MaC's tourny on par with Kemba's?

GMac was 4 in 4 days (because the bottom 4 teams didn't go back then), as compared to Kemba's 5 in 5.  Gmac's statistics weren't as good, but I believe he won or tied 3 of those 4 games with last second shots.

I believe Walker had a game-winner too, but his run was just being the dominant player on the court for all five days.  He was the best player in all 5 games, and nobody on the court was close to him.

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2018, 01:15:53 PM »
I missed Kemba’s buzzer beater. Got to garden as it was happening. Loudest that I ever heard it. Think that was the day DJ got hurt.

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2018, 01:20:15 PM »
I missed Kemba’s buzzer beater. Got to garden as it was happening. Loudest that I ever heard it. Think that was the day DJ got hurt.

The refs should have done their job and and let Rutgers win so DJ Kennedy would have never gotten hurt

Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2018, 01:24:31 PM »
I missed Kemba’s buzzer beater. Got to garden as it was happening. Loudest that I ever heard it. Think that was the day DJ got hurt.

The refs should have done their job and and let Rutgers win so DJ Kennedy would have never gotten hurt

I know you’re saying this jokingly but don’t get me started! I think it was us that got robbed by the refs. If they made the right call Rutgers would have still had to hit a buzzer beater to beat us. Yet everyone wanted to say we had to get lucky to win. Terrible non-call nonetheless.
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.

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Re: Big East Tournament
« Reply #59 on: March 07, 2018, 01:52:50 PM »
This team is mental prepares as can be. They dealt with the drama of Lovett leaving, they didn’t quit despite 11 game losing streak, They beat a tournament team without their best player, and played hard against another fighting to get an NCAA Birth. They should be the zen masters of one day, one minute, and one game at a time. Hopefully they put everything they learned  over this season and do something special over the next few days.

If they can win two games in the BE, the season can be considered passable. If they lose in the first round, they will be 4-15 in the BE. Even the most delusional fans can't spin that in a positive way.