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They aren't going to fire Mullin if they make the tournament.

They aren't going to fire Mullin if they make the tournament.

Obviously. But some dopes on here think we go from horrible to amazing overnight. Not how it works. It's a process.

Time for "Run JMP"

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Just made an account, yeah buddy!  Also on r/cbb as same username.  Any of my other Reddit friend here?

 

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2018, 11:55:09 AM

They aren't going to fire Mullin if they make the tournament.

Obviously. But some dopes on here think we go from horrible to amazing overnight. Not how it works. It's a process.

In the current state of college basketball year to year is how it works. Depends on your current roster. This years team may very well be better than next years team so lets make hay with our talented roster.

Quote from: Johnny23 on October 13, 2018, 11:56:17 AM

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2018, 11:55:09 AM

They aren't going to fire Mullin if they make the tournament.

Obviously. But some dopes on here think we go from horrible to amazing overnight. Not how it works. It's a process.

In the current state of college basketball year to year is how it works. Depends on your current roster. This years team may very well be better than next years team so lets make hay with our talented roster.

It has more to do with the constant flux at SJU than it does with the current state of college hoops. That's the difference between an SJU and other schools that build a program that consistently competes year in/year out. And I'm not talking top 10 consistency, at this point we'd take Providence or Creighton type consistency.

Sure this year's team has talent but it's like people here forgot the coaching and chemistry deficiencies. I'm merely pointing out to pump the brakes a little. If this year's team makes the tourney that will be considered a success here and Mullin will remain. To act like we should make the second week of the tourney is a little bit much. Of course I will root for that to happen but it's far from a certainty. I want to see how this team gels and how they get coached up. If those two things happen then sure they could win a game or two in the dance. Cautiously optimistic.

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Stop it, we aren’t staying in queens for the first 12 games of the season. 12-0 regardless will be impressive and would have us ranked 10-15 in the country.

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Stop it, we aren’t staying in queens for the first 12 games of the season. 12-0 regardless will be impressive and would have us ranked 10-15 in the country.

There is not one team in all of college basketball that plays nothing but home games in November and December. So if that is your barometer for the schedule not being soft, then perhaps you need another one.

Like I've said, the other decent teams in our conference play 5, 6 or maybe even 7 games tougher than we do in November-December. That is a fact. Our best games are against the worst team in the Pac 12, the worst team in the Big 10, and the 2nd worst team in the ACC, and maybe a middle of the road AAC team. 12-0 is a must, 11-1 will be a problem.

But it is what it is. Can't do anything about it now except blow the doors off of all of those teams

Quote from: Dan on October 13, 2018, 11:55:09 AM

They aren't going to fire Mullin if they make the tournament.

Obviously. But some dopes on here think we go from horrible to amazing overnight. Not how it works. It's a process.

Mullin has been about as good as his players are. Last season when he had both LoVett and Ponds, the team was pretty good. Then, when he lost both a period of time, they were pretty bad. Ponds returned healthy, and they were good enough to play Xavier tight twice and beat Duke, Nova and Marquette.

This is the season that will determine if Mullin can coach. He has the horses now. Maybe they haven't played together before but by December, it should be clear what kind of team we have, and how much of our success is dependent on one or two players.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on October 13, 2018, 02:01:09 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Stop it, we aren’t staying in queens for the first 12 games of the season. 12-0 regardless will be impressive and would have us ranked 10-15 in the country.

There is not one team in all of college basketball that plays nothing but home games in November and December. So if that is your barometer for the schedule not being soft, then perhaps you need another one.

Which is why going undefeated is impressive.

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 02:26:46 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on October 13, 2018, 02:01:09 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Stop it, we aren’t staying in queens for the first 12 games of the season. 12-0 regardless will be impressive and would have us ranked 10-15 in the country.

There is not one team in all of college basketball that plays nothing but home games in November and December. So if that is your barometer for the schedule not being soft, then perhaps you need another one.

Which is why going undefeated is impressive.

Not when you play zero good teams, like we do

We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive

Tough room.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on October 13, 2018, 02:46:37 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 02:26:46 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on October 13, 2018, 02:01:09 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Making the tournament as an 8-11 seed and losing in the first round will be a failure with this roster.

This is a top 3-5 backcourt in the entire country. Yes, we're limited up front but make up for that with depth at G and SF.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

Mullin and the staff have been taking a lot of flak for their 19 recruiting woes and rightfully so. But we're less than a month away from the season with probably the best roster we've had in a LONG time. The biggest coaching decision to make this year is when to play small and for how long. Hopefully the staff will have a handle on this.

Stop it, we aren’t staying in queens for the first 12 games of the season. 12-0 regardless will be impressive and would have us ranked 10-15 in the country.

There is not one team in all of college basketball that plays nothing but home games in November and December. So if that is your barometer for the schedule not being soft, then perhaps you need another one.

Which is why going undefeated is impressive.

Not when you play zero good teams, like we do

Temple is not a bad team, by any means.  Some power rankings had them just outside the Top 50 last year, and they return 4 starters from that group.

A loss to them would not be good, but it would not be the disaster that losing to some of the other teams on our non-conference schedule would be.

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

This is patently absurd. We had a top SOS last year so clearly someone understands the RPI better than you.

We are playing at #3 Duke, @ Rutgers of the Big Ten, and a handful of neutral court games against big conference foes. You make it seem like we are playing St. Francis at home twelve times!

We can easily absorb and 10-2 start. Our schedule is a Ga Tech or California being decent this season away from being perfect.

With our talent, we should be a top 25 team

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

This is patently absurd. We had a top SOS last year so clearly someone understands the RPI better than you.

We are playing at #3 Duke, @ Rutgers of the Big Ten, and a handful of neutral court games against big conference foes. You make it seem like we are playing St. Francis at home twelve times!

We can easily absorb and 10-2 start. Our schedule is a Ga Tech or California being decent this season away from being perfect.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Again, Marquette and Creighton each play 6 games tougher than anybody we play in the first 12 games of the season. There is complete consensus from every mildly smart person on Twitter that our schedule is a MAJOR issue, because it is.

Not only would going 10-2 be horrific for us come selection Sunday, losing 2 of those games would mean we stink, plain and simple. We will be double digit favorites in every single one of these games except for @ Rutgers which we'll be a 5 or 6 point fav.

Also, the RPI is dead and replaced by the quad system. None of those first 12 games will be Q1 games, while everybody else will be playing several of them

Quote from: Marillac on October 13, 2018, 03:52:47 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

This is patently absurd. We had a top SOS last year so clearly someone understands the RPI better than you.

We are playing at #3 Duke, @ Rutgers of the Big Ten, and a handful of neutral court games against big conference foes. You make it seem like we are playing St. Francis at home twelve times!

We can easily absorb and 10-2 start. Our schedule is a Ga Tech or California being decent this season away from being perfect.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Again, Marquette and Creighton each play 6 games tougher than anybody we play in the first 12 games of the season. There is complete consensus from every mildly smart person on Twitter that our schedule is a MAJOR issue, because it is.

Not only would going 10-2 be horrific for us come selection Sunday, losing 2 of those games would mean we stink, plain and simple. We will be double digit favorites in every single one of these games except for @ Rutgers which we'll be a 5 or 6 point fav.

Also, the RPI is dead and replaced by the quad system. None of those first 12 games will be Q1 games, while everybody else will be playing several of them

The RPI has not been replaced by the quadrant system, it has been replaced by the NET. The quadrant system will be used on the team sheets on selection Sunday so it will still play a role for the second season.

I am baffled by how you can divorce the game @ #3 Duke from the rest of the OOC schedule. That will be one of the toughest OOC games played by any team in college basketball this season. On top of that, any team can lose on the road to a team like Rutgers.

Temple was #52 in the RPI and is expecting to make the dance. VCU is not far behind. Cal will likely be middle to bottom of the PAC12 but it's still a high major on a neutral court. GA Tech has potential to push for the bubble as well and that is on a neutral court as well.

Duke is a Q1 game, Rutgers will be a Q2 game, and Temple will be a Q1 or Q2 game.

If the staff knew for certain Heron would be eligible in sure they would have liked to add a better opponent for an MSG game. But we have to be one of the least appealing matchups for coaches of quality teams with Heron up in the air and Ponds up in the air at the time...we could be top 15 or outside the top 100.

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 05:06:00 PM

Quote from: Marillac on October 13, 2018, 03:52:47 PM

Quote from: goredmen on October 13, 2018, 01:24:42 PM

Unfortunately the staff blew it with the scheduling this year and that will undoubtedly hurt us on selection sunday no matter what happens. We HAVE to be 12-0 going into the first BE game on 12/29. Anything less would be a disaster and even 12-0 would be a very unimpressive undefeated record with that schedule.

This is patently absurd. We had a top SOS last year so clearly someone understands the RPI better than you.

We are playing at #3 Duke, @ Rutgers of the Big Ten, and a handful of neutral court games against big conference foes. You make it seem like we are playing St. Francis at home twelve times!

We can easily absorb and 10-2 start. Our schedule is a Ga Tech or California being decent this season away from being perfect.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Again, Marquette and Creighton each play 6 games tougher than anybody we play in the first 12 games of the season. There is complete consensus from every mildly smart person on Twitter that our schedule is a MAJOR issue, because it is.

Not only would going 10-2 be horrific for us come selection Sunday, losing 2 of those games would mean we stink, plain and simple. We will be double digit favorites in every single one of these games except for @ Rutgers which we'll be a 5 or 6 point fav.

Also, the RPI is dead and replaced by the quad system. None of those first 12 games will be Q1 games, while everybody else will be playing several of them

The RPI has not been replaced by the quadrant system, it has been replaced by the NET. The quadrant system will be used on the team sheets on selection Sunday so it will still play a role for the second season.

I am baffled by how you can divorce the game @ #3 Duke from the rest of the OOC schedule. That will be one of the toughest OOC games played by any team in college basketball this season. On top of that, any team can lose on the road to a team like Rutgers.

Temple was #52 in the RPI and is expecting to make the dance. VCU is not far behind. Cal will likely be middle to bottom of the PAC12 but it's still a high major on a neutral court. GA Tech has potential to push for the bubble as well and that is on a neutral court as well.

Duke is a Q1 game, Rutgers will be a Q2 game, and Temple will be a Q1 or Q2 game.

If the staff knew for certain Heron would be eligible in sure they would have liked to add a better opponent for an MSG game. But we have to be one of the least appealing matchups for coaches of quality teams with Heron up in the air and Ponds up in the air at the time...we could be top 15 or outside the top 100.

So many things you said in this post are patently false.

1) Temple is a middle of the pack AAC team this year. They are not expecting to make the tournament this year. They can be a bubble team if they catch breaks, but thats about it. That will not be a Q1 game.

2) VCU is pretty far behind Temple. VCU is a middle of the pack team in the A-10 which has turned into a mediocre at best conference. Their best player is hurt and they aren't a top 100 team. Hopefully we don't play them.

3) Cal has no chance of reaching the middle of the Pac 12. They stink. If it wasn't for Washington State, Cal would be the unanimous pick to finish last in that conference which is still pretty weak at the bottom. Just because they play in a high major conference that doesn't make beating them any better. They are worse than a good amount of low-major conference schools. NJIT is probably better than Cal this year. That's not an exaggeration.

4) Georgia Tech will be nowhere near the bubble this year. Unless the NCAA rules 50 teams ineligible for the postseason because of this court case, G Tech won't be near the bubble. They weren't a top 100 last year and they lost their 2 best players and didn't really replace them with anybody good. Similarly to Cal, if it wasn't for Pitt, GT would be the unanimous pick to finish last in the conference.

Let's assume in our 13 conference games we have one Q1 game (@Duke), two Q2 (@ Rutgers being generous, Temple neutral) and the rest will be Q3 and Q4 games. Can you find one other power conference teams with expectations with only three Q1 + Q2 games in the OOC?