Game 14: #12 Butler, NYE Queens 730P/FS1

2 more wins against DePaul which should have been no problem.

You do know they don't play the games on paper, right? That senior went all Reggie Williams on us.

What do you think caused last year’s fade? 

I don't know.  The ball didn't go in the basket?

Based on that same logic, if we finish in last place or second to last, would that mean the roster Anderson inherited wasn’t good enough to not finish in that position? If the roster isn’t good enough, then we need to rebuild.

No it would not mean that. When I wrote "If they were good enough to win, then why didn't they win?" I was of course referring to the team/program in it's entirety. Players, coaches, trainers, staff, fans, etc. The roster is only one part of that that I certainly didn't separate out in my statement. 

We have differing pinions but I do respect and appreciate your opinion.

Thank you.  Back at you.

The topic at hand is the butler game.

My bad. I had sidebarred off that, as I typically do, to the topic of "Is winning conference championships an appropriate goal for SJ basketball and how we haven't even sniffed at accomplishing that for 20 years now."

All of you mullintards were quiet until we lost a game.
Now butler is over rated. Even though they are rated high by every metric. Last a MAC school was a good win. But this year a loss to a top 10 team is a bad loss?
Last year mullin had no bench. Now Anderson has all of these great players to work with. You and you ilk are full of crap!

You're replying to my post with a lot of claims and statements (and name calling) that I've never made nor apply to me.  I guess your somehow lumping me in with other posters similarly characterized by not spewing inappropriate hatred towards Chris Mullin in the least appropriate forum imaginable - a St. John's basketball message board. I guess I'm not opposed to that.

Carmine if you want to bang super models get off you ass and try. You might not ever achieve you goal. But you are never going get there if you don’t give it a shot.

People, like basketball programs need to understand there ceiling. For me, if I'm lucky it's bad sex with a fat, ugly shit faced girl I found almost comatose at 3:59 am in the local dive bar. For St. John's basketball it's squeaking into the Ncaa tournament and losing it's 1st game there.

So you just like St. John’s basketball isn’t cursed.

I don't think I ever said they're cursed.  I just said they suck and have bad luck.

My bad. I had sidebarred off that, as I typically do, to the topic of "Is winning conference championships an appropriate goal for SJ basketball and how we haven't even sniffed at accomplishing that for 20 years now." You're replying to my post with a lot of claims and statements (and name calling) that I've never made nor apply to me.  I guess your somehow lumping me in with other posters similarly characterized by not spewing inappropriate hatred towards Chris Mullin in the least appropriate forum imaginable - a St. John's basketball message board. I guess I'm not opposed to that. People, like basketball programs need to understand there ceiling. For me, if I'm lucky it's bad sex with a fat, ugly shit faced girl I found almost comatose at 3:59 am in the local dive bar. For St. John's basketball it's squeaking into the Ncaa tournament and losing it's 1st game there. 
I don't think I ever said they're cursed.  I just said they suck and have bad luck.

My apologies. I have lumped you in. I don’t understand anyone being negative right now. We have a good team. Better then everyone thought. In time maybe even good enough to break what ever bad luck we have experienced.

No it would not mean that. When I wrote "If they were good enough to win, then why didn't they win?" I was of course referring to the team/program in it's entirety.

But the topic was if the team had a realistic shot at winning the BE championship those years. Just because they didn’t win it doesn’t validate your position that they didn’t have a realistic chance of doing so, especially Lavin’s first year. Our program was bad under two coaches, Norm and Mullin. Under other coaches this millennium we were relevant and had a shot at winning.

If you believe a St. Johns team has a realistic chance of winning their conference tournament regardless of their ranking than you don't understand St. John's basketball.

Let’s not let the dark years under Norm and Coach Mullin define the legacy of St. John’s basketball. We can win here, better coaches have shown that. Anderson will as well.

But the topic was if the team had a realistic shot at winning the BE championship those years. Just because they didn’t win it doesn’t validate your position that they didn’t have a realistic chance of doing so, especially Lavin’s first year. Our program was bad under two coaches, Norm and Mullin. Under other coaches this millennium we were relevant and had a shot at winning.

Comparing Norm and Mullin is laughable.

Comparing Norm and Mullin is laughable.

BE winning %
Mullin .385%
Norm .457%

Considering when Norm coached it was the old BE if your point is comparing the two could be an insult to Norm you may have one.

BE winning %
Mullin .385%
Norm .457%

Considering when Norm coached it was the old BE if your point is comparing the two could be an insult to Norm you may have one.

And I’d you’re gonna be fair it was easier to pick up wins in the bottom half of the old big east. The top was a monster but there was consistently 5 teams around us in the basement.

20-52 = 27.8%

You are giving Mullin way too  much credit.

Good news.  We need LJ to show up too.

My apologies. I have lumped you in. 

No worries.

Just because they didn’t win it doesn’t validate your position that they didn’t have a realistic chance of doing so, especially Lavin’s first year.

Perhaps not.  But the fact that a) They're St. Johns and b) They didn't make it past the quarterfinals render my position a slam dunk reality.

Our program was bad under two coaches, Norm and Mullin. Under other coaches this millennium we were relevant and had a shot at winning.

Don't Tha kid yourself.  Our level of sucktitude was enormous under other coaches as well. 03-04 under Jarvis/Clark was the second worse team we've ever fielded.  And Hollywood's 11-12 prostate cancer team was horrendous following the graduation of the devine Paris Horne.

Comparing Norm and Mullin is laughable.

Mullin - 1 Ncaa tournament bid in 4 seasons
Norm - 0 Ncaa tournament bids in 6 seasons

It is laughable.

Mullin - 1 Ncaa tournament bid in 4 seasons

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Mullin - 1 Ncaa tournament bid in 4 seasons
Norm - 0 Ncaa tournament bids in 6 seasons

It is laughable.

Combined yes it is laughable.

20-52 = 27.8%

You are giving Mullin way too  much credit.

Thanks for the Correction
Mullin 27.8
Norm 31.4

Mullin - 1 Ncaa tournament bid in 4 seasons
Norm - 0 Ncaa tournament bids in 6 seasons

It is laughable.

If 20-52 coached during Norms time he wouldn’t had stumbled into the play-in game either.