Potential Lineup

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Marillac

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Potential Lineup
« on: November 21, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »
Our lack of a stellar PG along with our wealth of talent on the wing, got me thinking a little...

What do you guys think of this lineup:

G- Hardy
G- Horne
F - Mase
F - DJ
C - Brownlee

The center position can be played by JB I, JB II, or Evans in this lineup without any real change to the dynamic. 

Offensively, the PG duties could be shared by DJ (primarily) and Hardy.  DJ did a great job creating last year in the absence of a true point, and Hardy could lend a hand.  I'd like to see Hardy spot up or come off screens more, though, unless he proves to be able to shoot off the dribble (so rare in college).  DJ is especially good at driving and kicking to set shooters on the perimeter, and he'd have four options with this lineup.  If he chose to keep it an pullup or finish, the weakside would be a party for our jumping jacks to cleanup hard. 

With JB I or JB II on the floor, all five players are legitimate threats from deep.  In this lineup, DJ would probably have to be defended by a four--which is essentially a free pass up the floor--or force the other team to go small--in which case DJ would eatup the smaller player. 

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2009, 12:40:02 AM »
Love this lineup, what Big East teams are big down low that we would have problems with?

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 12:46:08 AM »
Cuse would be tough.  The zone would pretty much make this lineup ineffective unless our shooters are just firing on all cylinders. 

Although, the biggest weakness of the 2-3 is the weakside rebounding and that would probably be the biggest strength of this line up along with having more shooters on the floor. 

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 12:54:39 AM »
Cuse would be tough.  The zone would pretty much make this lineup ineffective unless our shooters are just firing on all cylinders. 

Although, the biggest weakness of the 2-3 is the weakside rebounding and that would probably be the biggest strength of this line up along with having more shooters on the floor.

Are we playin Cuse this year? If so, where? Actually it doesnt matter, thats a tough matchup-we get destroyed

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 01:23:17 AM »
We shouldn't even be talking Cuse. They just waxed NC after waxing Cal.
We escaped Brown. Let's beat the Pride first.

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 11:01:52 AM »
I was thinking how we could get Horne Hardy and DJ on the floor at the same time.  But this lineup would not be able to withstand any ball pressure.  DJ can help with ballhandling but I don't see any of these guys consistently bringing the ball up against pressure.

Also I would probably take Mason out...and put Burrell at the 5.
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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 04:12:47 PM »
I think the key with this line up is whoever is getting marked by the opponents other big should be the lead guard.  Mase has no handle but Norm has used him to bring it up b4 and against the 4's on other teams he can easily drive past and create.  Norm really has to figure out how to play the 3 main wings consistent minutes.

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
I was thinking how we could get Horne Hardy and DJ on the floor at the same time.  But this lineup would not be able to withstand any ball pressure.  DJ can help with ballhandling but I don't see any of these guys consistently bringing the ball up against pressure.

Also I would probably take Mason out...and put Burrell at the 5.

If the other team is not in a zone press, DJ would get the ball up court without breaking a sweat.  What four in the country could stay in front of him that far out? 


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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 08:55:13 PM »
I don't care what five guys you throw out there; if they keep playing this matador D, it'll be a long, long season.

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 09:38:32 PM »
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I don't care what five guys you throw out there; if they keep playing this matador D, it'll be a long, long season.

Good to see you voicing your frustration after all these years.

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 11:03:31 PM »
Acrimony - I voiced my frustration years ago.

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 11:21:48 PM »
I must of missed it but glad to see you continue the good fight as these games are so hard to watch/hear on the radio--same old story after year 6 and excuses after excuses. Enough is enough.

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2009, 11:54:35 PM »
We're 3-0 right now.  I'll save my frustration for if/when we start losing games. 

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2009, 12:39:12 AM »
Marillac, we're 3-0, but it's still been a terrible start. Gotta win at least one of two in Philly. We lose both and there deserves to be an uproar (and the way we've been playing, we'll lose both).

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2009, 11:04:14 AM »
If the other team is not in a zone press, DJ would get the ball up court without breaking a sweat.  What four in the country could stay in front of him that far out?

I think our lack of ballhandlers is obvious...so with Boothe out I think the opposing coaches would immediately switch to pressure the ball.
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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2009, 05:42:25 PM »
Marillac, we're 3-0, but it's still been a terrible start. Gotta win at least one of two in Philly. We lose both and there deserves to be an uproar (and the way we've been playing, we'll lose both).

If we lose both, our season is essentially over.  That might sound crazy, but the margin of error is so small with this team in regard to having a chance of making the tournament.  With that said, I think we surprise many in the Siena game.  We matchup well with them because both teams are strong at the wing positions and we are far stronger and athletic in the froncourt.  Coaching is a different story. 

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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 10:41:38 AM »
Our lack of a stellar PG along with our wealth of talent on the wing, got me thinking a little...

What do you guys think of this lineup:

G- Hardy
G- Horne
F - Mase
F - DJ
C - Brownlee

The center position can be played by JB I, JB II, or Evans in this lineup without any real change to the dynamic. 

Offensively, the PG duties could be shared by DJ (primarily) and Hardy.  DJ did a great job creating last year in the absence of a true point, and Hardy could lend a hand.  I'd like to see Hardy spot up or come off screens more, though, unless he proves to be able to shoot off the dribble (so rare in college).  DJ is especially good at driving and kicking to set shooters on the perimeter, and he'd have four options with this lineup.  If he chose to keep it an pullup or finish, the weakside would be a party for our jumping jacks to cleanup hard. 

With JB I or JB II on the floor, all five players are legitimate threats from deep.  In this lineup, DJ would probably have to be defended by a four--which is essentially a free pass up the floor--or force the other team to go small--in which case DJ would eatup the smaller player.

Marillac, have you been hanging out with Beasty Boy this off season. You know too much about hoops to think we can get away playing any type of competitive basketball without a strong point guard and serviceable center in this league.

St. John's is horrendous at the 1 & 5 and it will be the demnise of the season. Our best rebound is a 6'5 wing player - its a scary thought and no knock on DJ.

Anyone who thinks Burrell is remotely capable of playing center in the Big East has not watched the past two seasons. This kid can't rebound against Bonaventure & Brown, he is going to get embarassed in league play, again, this year.

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 11:09:36 AM »
What has Sean Evans done so far that you would not start him.

Evans is a player that continues to get better. He draws fouls and he is now hit the fouls shots. 8 of 10 last game.

Sean is going home this weekend and I expect for him to be so hyped.

Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 11:27:04 AM »
The first thing I would do is bench Justin Burrell. I would then start
           Booth
           Hardy
           Horne
           Kennedy
           Evans
with Brownlee first off the bench.

When Mason gets back and proves to be in playing shape,  I would start
          Hardy
          Horne
          Mason
          Kennedy
          Evans


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Re: Potential Lineup
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 11:54:15 AM »
I don't care what five guys you throw out there; if they keep playing this matador D, it'll be a long, long season.

Exactly. We can score. Burrell isn't the problem offensively.
Boothe is. He needs to finish, and make better choices with the ball.

Our defense doesn't play help d. Brown runs tge pick and roll, they set screens, and we looked as if we had no idea they were going to run plays like that.

The offense was fine. Hardy was terrific. Kennedy probably could have scored more, but they played without any sense of urgency until the last minute.