Syracuse Post Game Discussion

This might be Norm's worst excuse yet...

"We let opportunities get away. I'm not sure our league is not better than last year." - Coach Roberts

It's really sad that he went into the season thinking that part of his plan for improvement was a weaker league. Oh, the other teams will not be as great so maybe we will stink a little less.  Great way to look at things and he wonders why he has never finished higher than 11th place.

It's really sad that he went into the season thinking that part of his plan for improvement was a weaker league. Oh, the other teams will not be as great so maybe we will stink a little less.  Great way to look at things and he wonders why he has never finished higher than 11th place.
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Then why isn't it fair to say that guy is dumb? That's a nice personic approach, and one that he tried the year his senior squad dropped 10 points at the half against Maryland, and did it again against Duke.

You score 10 points in a half, you're not a D1 team. Period.

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on March 02, 2010, 09:33:20 PM

This might be Norm's worst excuse yet...

"We let opportunities get away. I'm not sure our league is not better than last year." - Coach Roberts

It's really sad that he went into the season thinking that part of his plan for improvement was a weaker league. Oh, the other teams will not be as great so maybe we will stink a little less.  Great way to look at things and he wonders why he has never finished higher than 11th place.

Exactly, pmg!  I knew he went into this season thinking his Johnnies would do better due to attrition to other conference teams.  Please!

That is a losers mentality, if I've ever seen one.  As, Poison said, "Then why isn't it fair to say that guy is dumb?"  Now, y'all see the reason I call him "Lamont."

The guy is plain and simple an excuse-maker.  And, he'll say anything possible to give him wiggle room to keep his job.  Even, if it comes at the cost of being and sounding dumb.

This season can't end soon enough.

holy crap i didnt expect a season like this i swore they was gonna finish 8th im at a lost for words. what happened to brownlee?

The plan to get better as other teams lose talent isn't uncommon.  Conferences have down years.  I wouldn't stake improvement on it.  But coaches muse on it all the time.

And as a matter of fact, I think the league is offensively better than it was last year.  Teams are really putting up points (or defenses are weakened, perhaps?) - something is different.  St. John's is even better at putting up points.  But boy, this inconsistency is far worse than the plan to get better b/c of attrition.  If they came out more business-like against Providence and Seton Hall, we'd be grumbling about NIT.

holy crap i didnt expect a season like this i swore they was gonna finish 8th im at a lost for words. what happened to brownlee?

Brownlee doesn't play enough and when he does, he looks a little lost about what he needs to do.

... and he's a little slow on D.

The plan to get better as other teams lose talent isn't uncommon.  Conferences have down years.  I wouldn't stake improvement on it.  But coaches muse on it all the time.

And as a matter of fact, I think the league is offensively better than it was last year.  Teams are really putting up points (or defenses are weakened, perhaps?) - something is different.  St. John's is even better at putting up points.  But boy, this inconsistency is far worse than the plan to get better b/c of attrition.  If they came out more business-like against Providence and Seton Hall, we'd be grumbling about NIT.

You're right, Peter....  Some coaches do use attrition, as to their team moving up the ranks.  But, since the fact that he's an excuse-maker....  I can't give him the benefit of the doubt that he played the attrition card like most coaches do for the possibility of their respective team(s) getting better.

He felt most of the conference teams would be weaker and the Johnnies could simply move up due those reasons and those reasons alone.  Not because, he thought he would be able to make the necessary adjustments, as well, as his team being more experienced and a better group.  That's my belief due to him coming off, as an excuse-maker. 

Speaking, of the NIT grumbling....  Hell!  I could count, at least, 7 games the Johnnies could've won, this season.  And, we would be talking about NCAA's, instead of the NIT.

The issue is coaching and Norm not bringing in a worthy point guard.  Here are the 7 games, I believe the Johnnies could've won had they had the former and latter....

Cornell
G'town
Providence
Villanova
Pitt (1st game)
West Virginia
Seton Hall
Marquette

Well....  That was 8 games, in which the Johnnies had every, opportunity to win.  If, we had a coach and a point guard worth their salt then I think we could've won over half of those games (if, not more).

boothe has been an oasis in the sea of shit that has been our in-game effort....find someone else to pick on

Boothe has played better last 5 games or so. That being said,  he still averages 5 ppg and 3 assists pg.  Those numbers stink for a starting BE pg. Sorry.

boothe has been an oasis in the sea of shit that has been our in-game effort....find someone else to pick on

I just puked...

At best, he a is back up in the Big East. He has absolutely no business starting in this league.

Boothe would be a fine back up, but he has almost no talent.

The guy is plain and simple an excuse-maker.  And, he'll say anything possible to give him wiggle room to keep his job.  Even, if it comes at the cost of being and sounding dumb.

exactly, i can't agree any more. and this is what pisses me off so much. He always makes excuses that are far from the reasons we lost.

holy crap i didnt expect a season like this i swore they was gonna finish 8th im at a lost for words. what happened to brownlee?

What happened to Horne? What happened to Hardy?

None of them know what they're doing.

i hope we get a new coach for the players sake. judging from their post game quotes, they just seem disheartened.

i hope we get a new coach for the players sake. judging from their post game quotes, they just seem disheartened.

Burrell had the same tone last year, too.

nah that last quote was kinda crazy for him to say

"I understand why people say we haven't improved," junior forward Justin Burrell said. "I believe (we have) in my heart, but I guess the facts say (we're) not."

"I hate it with all my heart," Burrell said. "I don't understand why we don't win these games. I don't understand what's going on. Some close games that we lost don't make sense - I guess I don't have the know-how of basketball to understand what we are doing wrong."

last year wasn't as bad as this. not to mention this is what is being said to the media. who knows what is being said behind closed doors.

The plan to get better as other teams lose talent isn't uncommon.  Conferences have down years.  I wouldn't stake improvement on it.  But coaches muse on it all the time.

And as a matter of fact, I think the league is offensively better than it was last year.  Teams are really putting up points (or defenses are weakened, perhaps?) - something is different.  St. John's is even better at putting up points.  But boy, this inconsistency is far worse than the plan to get better b/c of attrition.  If they came out more business-like against Providence and Seton Hall, we'd be grumbling about NIT.

Yes we are better offensively. Last year in the BE we averaged 62.5.
This year we are up to 63.4. Almost one whole point better. On the down side our BE high last year was 84 pts. This year 74.

Yes we are better offensively. Last year in the BE we averaged 62.5.
This year we are up to 63.4. Almost one whole point better. On the down side our BE high last year was 84 pts. This year 74.

It may not mean much to you but the improvement is masked by playing a slightly slower (read: taking slightly fewer  shots) pace. 

It's still one of the worst major conference offenses. 

For those who like tempo-free numbers, Norm's offenses are mentioned as consistently "horrid" by Dan Hanner (who posts on his site and a number of national outlets: http://yetanotherbasketblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/coaches-part-2.html).  And for conference numbers only, I put together a table with Norm's in-conference offensive and defensive efficiencies: http://theeastcoastbias.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/when-its-time-to-change/

I should re-do that table.  The team's gotten better since then.  But not good enough.

Quote from: we are sju on March 03, 2010, 01:58:37 PM

Yes we are better offensively. Last year in the BE we averaged 62.5.
This year we are up to 63.4. Almost one whole point better. On the down side our BE high last year was 84 pts. This year 74.

It may not mean much to you but the improvement is masked by playing a slightly slower (read: taking slightly fewer  shots) pace. 

It's still one of the worst major conference offenses. 

For those who like tempo-free numbers, Norm's offenses are mentioned as consistently "horrid" by Dan Hanner (who posts on his site and a number of national outlets: http://yetanotherbasketblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/coaches-part-2.html).  And for conference numbers only, I put together a table with Norm's in-conference offensive and defensive efficiencies: http://theeastcoastbias.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/when-its-time-to-change/

I should re-do that table.  The team's gotten better since then.  But not good enough.

This is the single biggest reaon I hate Norm. Our offense is embarrasing! It is actually brutal to watch. I could deal with losses, our style of play is not tolerable.