Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2010, 09:14:06 AM »
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I'm discussing him leaving because he's not able to play at this level. At all.

Maybe, he didn't look like he could help us, as freshmen playing at a position (point guard) he wasn't comfortable playing.  Not to mention, he was under the tutelage of Stormin' Norm.  So, playing a position he probably didn't have any reason playing and playing for a guy who seemed to have no rhyme or reason....  Well....  I hope you catch my drift. 

I think Roberts could be a decent backup, as he has a pretty decent shot.  Nevertheless, something could be brewing with Stith.  Time will tell.
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I'm discussing him leaving because he's not able to play at this level. At all.

Maybe, he didn't look like he could help us, as freshmen playing at a position (point guard) he wasn't comfortable playing.  Not to mention, he was under the tutelage of Stormin' Norm.  So, playing a position he probably didn't have any reason playing and playing for a guy who seemed to have no rhyme or reason....  Well....  I hope you catch my drift. 

I think Roberts could be a decent backup, as he has a pretty decent shot.  Nevertheless, something could be brewing with Stith.  Time will tell.

The kid was playin out of position to try and help the Team. Can't fully judge him based off his point play. He has potential and I hope he stays.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2010, 09:21:40 AM »
Hey Foad. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're completely useless.
I'm still waiting for you to add something, in some way.

You want to disagree? Fine, but back it up princess. Or shut the f up.

Blow me.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2010, 10:04:03 AM »
You guys, go slap box behind the building.

Foad, why do you think Stith can play at this level?  Stith's numbers showed little last year - didn't score efficiently, didn't seem to be able to get a shot off, turned the ball over a bit, wasn't that crisp of a passer...

On the other hand, I also think that I'd love to see him with a staff that has some concept of how to train a point guard.  Norm's PGs were fairly bad at being... point guards.  Geno was a good defender, got a lot of steals, got to the free throw line a bit, and had a lot of heart - even had some nice passes - but the turnovers were terrible, he couldn't be relied on to get his shot in a pinch, and some of that has to go to his training.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2010, 10:19:04 AM »
 Peter-   the player they are discussing is Quincy Roberts. The thread took a detour somewhere on page 1.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2010, 10:24:59 AM »
You guys, go slap box behind the building.

Foad, why do you think Stith can play at this level?  Stith's numbers showed little last year - didn't score efficiently, didn't seem to be able to get a shot off, turned the ball over a bit, wasn't that crisp of a passer...

On the other hand, I also think that I'd love to see him with a staff that has some concept of how to train a point guard.  Norm's PGs were fairly bad at being... point guards.  Geno was a good defender, got a lot of steals, got to the free throw line a bit, and had a lot of heart - even had some nice passes - but the turnovers were terrible, he couldn't be relied on to get his shot in a pinch, and some of that has to go to his training.

Roberts and Stith should both transfer out. Neither are BE players.
 

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2010, 10:26:58 AM »
You guys, go slap box behind the building.

Foad, why do you think Stith can play at this level?  Stith's numbers showed little last year - didn't score efficiently, didn't seem to be able to get a shot off, turned the ball over a bit, wasn't that crisp of a passer...

On the other hand, I also think that I'd love to see him with a staff that has some concept of how to train a point guard.  Norm's PGs were fairly bad at being... point guards.  Geno was a good defender, got a lot of steals, got to the free throw line a bit, and had a lot of heart - even had some nice passes - but the turnovers were terrible, he couldn't be relied on to get his shot in a pinch, and some of that has to go to his training.

Roberts and Stith should both transfer out. Neither are BE players.
 

We can't afford to lose that many players.  What is Boothe gets injured?  You can't go 40 minutes without a pure pg.  The play just breaks down slowly but surely.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2010, 11:20:46 AM »
Foad, why do you think Stith can play at this level?  Stith's numbers showed little last year - didn't score efficiently, didn't seem to be able to get a shot off, turned the ball over a bit, wasn't that crisp of a passer...

On the other hand, I also think that I'd love to see him with a staff that has some concept of how to train a point guard.  Norm's PGs were fairly bad at being... point guards.  Geno was a good defender, got a lot of steals, got to the free throw line a bit, and had a lot of heart - even had some nice passes - but the turnovers were terrible, he couldn't be relied on to get his shot in a pinch, and some of that has to go to his training.

As another poster notes, we're discussing Quincy Roberts, who I think has the makings of a nice player. He's long, he's athletic, he's aggressive, and he's a nice stroke. Not to mention that he's not a princess and coward like all the players who were too scared to play in Queens, like Sylvan L, Connie Hawkins, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. If only those players had only had the sac of say an Eric King, they might have amounted to something. Oh well.

As for Stith, I'm not expert enough - as are so many other sooper genyious posters - to dismiss a freshman out of hand after limited playing time on an awful team with an awful coach. Certainly that's the odds play. Most players don't make a difference, so if you say every players sucks you (royal) will be right more often than not. But you'll also pronounce that David Cain is "not a big east player." The upside is that when it turns out that you're wrong, it's four years later and you've trashed dozen other kids in the meanwhile in a torrent of speculation and rumor and absurd judgments, and no one cares or remembers. You can say dozens stupid things a day - like eg that Phil Waite should average a double double in the BE, as I recall some genyious pronouncing a couple years ago - and instead of being laughed off the internets as a world class maroon with a thalidomide baby's understanding of basketball - you simply move on and declaim that Lance Stephenson is a giant pvssy. And so on. Because it's all one man's opinion: there are no facts, numbers lie, and it's all double sourced by my secret mole who's never steered me wrong anyway. A 38 percent shooter is a great shooter, but a 37 percent shooter sucks. It must be true, because I just said it.

So I don't know whether Stith will contribute or not. For me, the jury is out. He has an adequate handle and vision, he's aggressive, he gets to the basket, he has an okay mid range game. OTOH, there are some obvious holes. In the good old days he wouldn't have seen the floor as a freshman. But these assuredly are not the good old days. He's not Tyreke Evans or John Wall, but few guards are, and those who aren't aren't playing at SJ for Norm Roberts, backing up Malik Boothe.


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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2010, 11:39:12 AM »
Good defense.

I think we should keep this thread on Malik Stith, but I fully think Quincy has the makings of a nice player.  I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it into the rotation this year, actually.  I'll add that in his 9 minutes per game last year, he didn't suck; in fact, in the 2 games where he played more than 5 minutes, he showed flashes of playing well. 

If the staff can improve his handle to something passable, he might be a change-of-pace point guard.  And if not, he can be a tall backup at shooting guard.  Whatever it is, I like Quincy.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2010, 12:37:24 PM »
Good defense.

I think we should keep this thread on Malik Stith, but I fully think Quincy has the makings of a nice player.  I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it into the rotation this year, actually.  I'll add that in his 9 minutes per game last year, he didn't suck; in fact, in the 2 games where he played more than 5 minutes, he showed flashes of playing well. 

If the staff can improve his handle to something passable, he might be a change-of-pace point guard.  And if not, he can be a tall backup at shooting guard.  Whatever it is, I like Quincy.

When did Stith show a mid range jump shot? How was he any better than TyShwan Edmondson?

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2010, 12:38:24 PM »
Foad, why do you think Stith can play at this level?  Stith's numbers showed little last year - didn't score efficiently, didn't seem to be able to get a shot off, turned the ball over a bit, wasn't that crisp of a passer...

On the other hand, I also think that I'd love to see him with a staff that has some concept of how to train a point guard.  Norm's PGs were fairly bad at being... point guards.  Geno was a good defender, got a lot of steals, got to the free throw line a bit, and had a lot of heart - even had some nice passes - but the turnovers were terrible, he couldn't be relied on to get his shot in a pinch, and some of that has to go to his training.

As another poster notes, we're discussing Quincy Roberts, who I think has the makings of a nice player. He's long, he's athletic, he's aggressive, and he's a nice stroke. Not to mention that he's not a princess and coward like all the players who were too scared to play in Queens, like Sylvan L, Connie Hawkins, and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. If only those players had only had the sac of say an Eric King, they might have amounted to something. Oh well.

As for Stith, I'm not expert enough - as are so many other sooper genyious posters - to dismiss a freshman out of hand after limited playing time on an awful team with an awful coach. Certainly that's the odds play. Most players don't make a difference, so if you say every players sucks you (royal) will be right more often than not. But you'll also pronounce that David Cain is "not a big east player." The upside is that when it turns out that you're wrong, it's four years later and you've trashed dozen other kids in the meanwhile in a torrent of speculation and rumor and absurd judgments, and no one cares or remembers. You can say dozens stupid things a day - like eg that Phil Waite should average a double double in the BE, as I recall some genyious pronouncing a couple years ago - and instead of being laughed off the internets as a world class maroon with a thalidomide baby's understanding of basketball - you simply move on and declaim that Lance Stephenson is a giant pvssy. And so on. Because it's all one man's opinion: there are no facts, numbers lie, and it's all double sourced by my secret mole who's never steered me wrong anyway. A 38 percent shooter is a great shooter, but a 37 percent shooter sucks. It must be true, because I just said it.

So I don't know whether Stith will contribute or not. For me, the jury is out. He has an adequate handle and vision, he's aggressive, he gets to the basket, he has an okay mid range game. OTOH, there are some obvious holes. In the good old days he wouldn't have seen the floor as a freshman. But these assuredly are not the good old days. He's not Tyreke Evans or John Wall, but few guards are, and those who aren't aren't playing at SJ for Norm Roberts, backing up Malik Boothe.



Jesus, you're demented, and wrong on all points. As per usual.

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2010, 12:58:36 PM »
Good defense.

I think we should keep this thread on Malik Stith, but I fully think Quincy has the makings of a nice player.  I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it into the rotation this year, actually.  I'll add that in his 9 minutes per game last year, he didn't suck; in fact, in the 2 games where he played more than 5 minutes, he showed flashes of playing well. 

If the staff can improve his handle to something passable, he might be a change-of-pace point guard.  And if not, he can be a tall backup at shooting guard.  Whatever it is, I like Quincy.

When did Stith show a mid range jump shot? How was he any better than TyShwan Edmondson?

I never said he showed a mid range jumper.  At least I don't believe I ever said that. 

Ty Edmondson couldn't hardly dribble.  he got shoved around all over the place. His shot LOOKED terrible along with being terrible.  He didn't show any quickness.  He was scared to drive inside.  Stith looked overwhelmed, but he had moments of quickness going to the hoop - even if he didn't convert. 

Stith reminds me of Tristan Smith, a bit.  He was no great player, but I think he could have been a decent backup.  Granted, he transferred to St. Francis, but I don't mind willing backups on the squad. 

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Re: Manbearpig says malik stiths fbook status says.....
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2010, 01:28:17 PM »
Marillac, if Lavin is going through the roster and replacing guys who couldn't hack it with guys than can, where's the issue with that?

Polee is probably better than Ron Roberts. And my guess is that Barry is better than Lawrence. Am I happy he's leaving? Of course not, but the bright is we're going to be a better team because of it.

These transfers are different than those of Cedric Jackson & Dexter Gray.
In this case we're upgrading. In a desperate attempt to keep his job, Norm handed out as many ships as he could, and now Lavin is trying to pick up the pieces.

If Quincy Roberts and Malik Stith are our idea of depth, I'd take my chances with new players.