Kyle Anderson - F - St. Anthony's - Paterson, NJ - UCLA

Quote from: Logen on July 16, 2011, 10:59:08 AM

Quote from: MCNPA on July 16, 2011, 09:17:33 AM

Quote from: Logen on July 16, 2011, 09:02:11 AM

Quote from: LJSA on July 15, 2011, 03:29:32 PM

Quote from: NYCoffey on July 15, 2011, 09:34:07 AM

Is this whole KA Sr. thing totally speculation on what Seton Hall could possibly do in order to land Kyle, or is there some kind of rumor that its based off of? From what I see from this thread it went from a "what if" Seton Hall hires KA sr., to more of a "I cant believe they are trying to do this." Just curious if this is something that somebody has heard as an actual possibility, or if everyone is thinking outside the box on how Seton Hall could possibly land Kyle.

Notice how the posters who are known to be insiders haven't shot down the speculation? Sometimes what's not said on this board is just as loud as what is said.

I don't even know what being an "insider" means, but I know a lot of NJ hoops people and anyone who knows the Andersons at all would consider this "rumor" to be so much nonsense. However, no one knows what any other person is going to do in such circumstances and that's why there is no such thing as an "insider." I will give one reason some people who's opinion I respect think KA  is seriously considering SHU and that's that he is maturing significantly as a player and with that has come out of the shadows of other players and is emerging as a dominating but very team oriented player. He can have a role at SHU he might not be able to have at the other schools. Just pure speculation but one thing I am pretty sure of, the Andersons will make an intelligent decision based on what is best for Kyle's development as a player and person and no one knows but them what the real criteria for making that decision is.   

If you mean that the role he will play at Seton Hall that he won't at other schools is being double-teamed all day, then I agree with you.  Kyle Anderson will play a significant role at all the schools on his list, both as a forward and as a ball-handler.  He won't have any talent to distribute to at the Hall.  Willard's offense  at the Hall looked disjointed and overall atrocious last season.  Hazell bailed them out a ton, otherwise the season would have continued on it's path the way it was during his injury.  Being a "team oriented" player is great.  It requires the requisite talent around you though.  I thought the reason SJU made the tourney last season and was so successful was because Lavin and Dunlap had us playing some of the best "team oriented" ball that I've seen SJU play.

Willard inherited an incredibly dysfunctional group of players, it had nothing to do with Willard's "offense." You (and others) praise Polee or Harkless or whoever for having the courage to being the first to sign with Lavin during the disaster that was SJU basketball and by your logic they SHOULD NOT have signed with the Johnnies. Disjointed program and a coach who had been on the sidelines for years after being run out of UCLA. Well maybe, just maybe, KA is going to have the courage to do the same at SHU - at the end of the day I don't believe he will but I do believe they are a serious contender and believe me, he and his father know a helluva lot more about Willard's offense than any of us. As for SJU's talent, it is undeniable. However, with all that talent and Jevon Thomas coming, do you think Lavin is going to just give KA the ball the way they might at SHU? And don't think that SHU is talentless, they are not, and although it does not match SJU's, might KA want the challenge of seeing if he is good enough to raise it to another level while playing in his home state? I realize all of your posts are spun around the fact that you are a super SJU fan and there is obviously nothing wrong with that, this is a fan board, but I am just offering a viewpoint that is emerging because of KA's maturation as a player. At the end of the day, no one knows but the Andersons.   

Those "dysfunctional" players are a heck of a lot more talented than the guys he has coming in.  Grennan, Wilson, Karlis... cmon.   The talent there IS that bad.  Outside of the transfer Oliver and maybe Fuquan Edwin or a solid Cosby, there isn't much at all. Harkless and Polee signed with Lavin, a coach who has been to Sweet 16 after Final 8 after Sweet 16 after Sweet 16 after... well... you get the point.  Willard is an unproven coach and couldn't go anywhere in the MAAC. 

As far as Kyle getting the ball in his hands, I think Lavin and Dunlap have a lot more of an idea on what they'd do with Kyle than Willard.  If Kyle wants to subscribe to the idea that going to a school who will "give him the damn ball" is the best for him, then so be it.  Even with Jevon on board, I believe that Kyle will have ample opportunity to showcase his skills both at the PG spot and forward spots. 

Maturation of a player should mean that he's approaching things in a rational manner both on and off the court.  I too suspect they'll choose what is best for them.  None of this is coming from me being a SJU fan though.  I think UCLA, Georgetown and Florida are all a LOT better places for Kyle to show his skills...  Do I think SJU is a great fit?  Yes, for quite a few reasons.  I just happen to be unimpressed with Willard thus far.  Kyle wants to go there, then he certainly should.  What will happen though is that he'll be trying to drop the ball into zones because there is almost nobody on that roster coming in who can break guys down off the dribble.

As a SJU fan, I'd hate to lose such a nice overall talent, but we will be fine no matter what.

Logen,

I respect you coming over here to discuss but you better bring it man!

Comparing St. John's to Seton Hall is apples and oranges (no pun intended). Harkless came when there were 9 available scholarships and Seton Hall just signed 3 questionable guys this past season after striking out on others. They have a logjam of bad scholarship players.

Willard didn't win a tournament game in the MAAC, his staff's resume doesn't stack up to other schools within the conference. This isn't to discredit them and they are working as hard if not harder than anyone within the conference. They are great group of coaches and they've been visible at every event possible but at the end of the day this doesn't mean that they can close. They have a very uphill battle, one that any fan here is already all too familiar with.

Quote from: Dave on July 17, 2011, 01:14:54 AM

Logen,

I respect you coming over here to discuss but you better bring it man!

Comparing St. John's to Seton Hall is apples and oranges (no pun intended). Harkless came when there were 9 available scholarships and Seton Hall just signed 3 questionable guys this past season after striking out on others. They have a logjam of bad scholarship players.

Willard didn't win a tournament game in the MAAC, his staff's resume doesn't stack up to other schools within the conference. This isn't to discredit them and they are working as hard if not harder than anyone within the conference. They are great group of coaches and they've been visible at every event possible but at the end of the day this doesn't mean that they can close. They have a very uphill battle, one that any fan here is already all too familiar with.

Totally agree, Dave.  Harkless came when we had three coaches with NBA experience.  Rico Hines trained some of the best young stars in the game.  Gene Keady won SIX national coach of the year awards!!!! 

Willard has no resume as a head coach and his staff pales in comparison to what Lavin assembled. 

If you think that Seton Hall had any less talent than STJ, then the conversation does end there.  We had two kids that could make a basket from three.  You guys had way more sucess with your group the previous three years than our group did and you had the (much) higher ranked recruits (with more size). 

Seton Hall is my second favorit team in the Big East, but it would, at best, be a Marshon Brooks-Providence type of relationship for KA and Seton Hall.  I wish it was you guys blowing up instead of Rutgers, but it's not. You guys are in really bad shape.  When our fourth string SF could star for your team...it's bad.

What the Florida insiders have been saying...

The Florida people feel they have a really good shot here.  Partially because they consider the competition for KA to be "beneath them" program-wise, also because they feel Bradley Beal (who may not even be around next season depending on how his freshman season goes) can be the other half of the "Batman & Robin" combination KA desires.  They feel once they get him on campus they can seal the deal.  They also believe that Norm's relationship with him will be a HUGE factor.  That would be a colossal kick in the groin, if we lost a guy BECAUSE of Norm, who couldn't bring in a top recruit to save his life here.

Quote from: Plexxxx on July 16, 2011, 08:07:37 PM

What the Florida insiders have been saying...

The Florida people feel they have a really good shot here.  Partially because they consider the competition for KA to be "beneath them" program-wise, also because they feel Bradley Beal (who may not even be around next season depending on how his freshman season goes) can be the other half of the "Batman & Robin" combination KA desires.  They feel once they get him on campus they can seal the deal.  They also believe that Norm's relationship with him will be a HUGE factor.  That would be a colossal kick in the groin, if we lost a guy BECAUSE of Norm, who couldn't bring in a top recruit to save his life here.

Speaking of Norm Roberts and Florida....  By the way, I agree with you, Plexxxx....  It would definitely be a kick in the groin to lose Anderson due to Norm Roberts. 

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/16/roberts-keeping-florida-in-kyle-anderson-sweepstakes/#more-54688

Quote from: mjdinkins on July 17, 2011, 02:49:39 PM

Quote from: Plexxxx on July 16, 2011, 08:07:37 PM

What the Florida insiders have been saying...

The Florida people feel they have a really good shot here.  Partially because they consider the competition for KA to be "beneath them" program-wise, also because they feel Bradley Beal (who may not even be around next season depending on how his freshman season goes) can be the other half of the "Batman & Robin" combination KA desires.  They feel once they get him on campus they can seal the deal.  They also believe that Norm's relationship with him will be a HUGE factor.  That would be a colossal kick in the groin, if we lost a guy BECAUSE of Norm, who couldn't bring in a top recruit to save his life here.

Speaking of Norm Roberts and Florida....  By the way, I agree with you, Plexxxx....  It would definitely be a kick in the groin to lose Anderson due to Norm Roberts. 

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/16/roberts-keeping-florida-in-kyle-anderson-sweepstakes/#more-54688

If we lose him to Florida, it will be because of Donovan. We all know Norm can't close.

Quote from: STJFAN on July 17, 2011, 04:09:04 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on July 17, 2011, 02:49:39 PM

Quote from: Plexxxx on July 16, 2011, 08:07:37 PM

What the Florida insiders have been saying...

The Florida people feel they have a really good shot here.  Partially because they consider the competition for KA to be "beneath them" program-wise, also because they feel Bradley Beal (who may not even be around next season depending on how his freshman season goes) can be the other half of the "Batman & Robin" combination KA desires.  They feel once they get him on campus they can seal the deal.  They also believe that Norm's relationship with him will be a HUGE factor.  That would be a colossal kick in the groin, if we lost a guy BECAUSE of Norm, who couldn't bring in a top recruit to save his life here.

Speaking of Norm Roberts and Florida....  By the way, I agree with you, Plexxxx....  It would definitely be a kick in the groin to lose Anderson due to Norm Roberts. 

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/16/roberts-keeping-florida-in-kyle-anderson-sweepstakes/#more-54688

If we lose him to Florida, it will be because of Donovan. We all know Norm can't close.

Except he's now pitching for a school with 2 NCAA titles in the last 6 years.    When these kids were ending middle-school/starting high school,  Florida was winning back to back NCAA Championships.    That is an hellacious recruiting advantage that isn't there for St. Johns (yet).....

Quote from: STJFAN on July 17, 2011, 04:09:04 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on July 17, 2011, 02:49:39 PM

Quote from: Plexxxx on July 16, 2011, 08:07:37 PM

What the Florida insiders have been saying...

The Florida people feel they have a really good shot here.  Partially because they consider the competition for KA to be "beneath them" program-wise, also because they feel Bradley Beal (who may not even be around next season depending on how his freshman season goes) can be the other half of the "Batman & Robin" combination KA desires.  They feel once they get him on campus they can seal the deal.  They also believe that Norm's relationship with him will be a HUGE factor.  That would be a colossal kick in the groin, if we lost a guy BECAUSE of Norm, who couldn't bring in a top recruit to save his life here.

Speaking of Norm Roberts and Florida....  By the way, I agree with you, Plexxxx....  It would definitely be a kick in the groin to lose Anderson due to Norm Roberts. 

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/16/roberts-keeping-florida-in-kyle-anderson-sweepstakes/#more-54688

If we lose him to Florida, it will be because of Donovan. We all know Norm can't close.

Except he's now pitching for a school with 2 NCAA titles in the last 6 years.    When these kids were ending middle-school/starting high school,  Florida was winning back to back NCAA Championships.    That is an hellacious recruiting advantage that isn't there for St. Johns (yet).....

I think Mark Jackson was considered very slow to be effective in college (especially, when compared to the other three PG in his class) and too slow to make it in the Pros.  Whatever happened to Mark?

Quote from: Gumby on July 18, 2011, 03:09:58 PM

I think Mark Jackson was considered very slow to be effective in college (especially, when compared to the other three PG in his class) and too slow to make it in the Pros.  Whatever happened to Mark?

He11's be11s.  Earvin Johnson was considerd too slow to be effective on D in college.  Tho the offense channeled thru him, he was a POWER FORWARD - Jay Vincent played the 5, and Greg Kelser the 3 for Michigan State.  The guards were Mike Brkovich and Terry Donnelly (each played 39 minutes in the title win).  And no way he could EVER play point in the pros.....