Kyle Anderson - F - St. Anthony's - Paterson, NJ - UCLA

Well Choz - these kids are treated so unfairly by the NCAA that they need to take the money when the opportunity presents itself. They are all just being used by the system, cant blame them at all.

So a NJ kid admits his mind was made up that he was going to Seton Hall after a fierce national recruiting battle and then the week before his annoucement, he changes his mind.

Like you said, C'MON ON SON....

“Seton Hall. I’ve never told anyone this, but this is crazy. Exactly a week before I chose UCLA I had decided that I was going to Seton Hall. It was a done deal. Then I had another talk with my family the next day and I felt like it was UCLA. If UCLA didn’t exist I’d be at Seton Hall, no question. I just couldn’t turn down [UCLA], the tradition, the weather, the beach, all the pros that play there in the summer. Plus I’m cool withRussell Westbrook and Kevin Love, just everything about it. And I mean, c’mon, it’s L.A.!”

Thi$ i$ a pretty funny $tatement but thi$ young man. I wonder what happened to change hi$ mind in the $pace of one week.

I would bet the ranch that KA was an UCLA recruit from the moment he was out there playing ball in Venice.  He took in the whole LA scene, which is pretty darn impressive. Of course wearing a "Vinny Chase" medallion was probably another indicator. "Go west young man!"  I think KA had second thoughts about UCLA when the SH fan base went crazy and attended all of his games.  That full court press was pretty intensive, remember.  But that bubble probably broke a few days before he recommitted in his mind to UCLA.

CR, do you feel he is a one and one player for UCLA?

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

In 2007 he landed one of the top 4-5 players in the country in Kevin Love.  Year later he landed the consensus number 1 of 2 classes in the country. 

Shabazz has family from LA.  In Kyle's case he committed and signed before this year when UCLA was considered a top 25 team at least going into this past season.

Arizona just completed their 2nd season in the last 3 years of not making the NCAA's.  This on the heels of several high profile transfers like Sidiki Johnson and Mo Mo Jones and now Josiah Turner.  Yet they have a class comparable to Kentucky's.

Before this year Tom Crean had 3 straight losing seasons at IU.  Yet he had signed his best class at IU before he even coached his 4th year, which would turn out to be his best season at IU.

They are big time programs with big time coaches who have hit some rough patches.  I don't find it out of the ordinary in the least bit.  If they were not allowed to sign big time players even as they struggled then they would never get out of their struggles.

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

I'm a firm believer you can't really rate a recruiting class till 4-5 years down the road.    Getting recruits hs NEVER been an issue for Ben Howland at UCLA.   But so far, this is not his "best class" - The reason Howland was "on the hotseat" is because he actually had a "better" recruiting class than this one 4 years ago - that completely didn't pan out for the school - #1 overall Jrue Holiday, #20 Malcolm Lee,   #25 J'Misson Morgan,  #29 Drew Gordan,  #41 Jerime Anderson.   Holiday scored 8 pts as frosh then jumped to the NBA.  Malcolm Lee was behind Holiday and All America Collison as  frosh, struggled as a soph, then jumped to the League as a Junir.   J'Misson Morgan (Bobo) was kicked off the team after a non-contributing 2 years.  Drew Gordan couldn't get off the bench as a frosh, as a soph was such a cancer he was kicked off the team.   Jerime Anderson was a 4 year disappointment.  If you can be a "journeyman" college player, Jerime was it.

The following class after that one included Reeves Nelson who'd been the #11 recruit in the country as a Jr. before getting hurt playing football, and dropping in the rankings as a senior due t lack of play - his problems are well documented.  Mike Moser was a top 50 recruit - transferred after 1 season of 5 minutes a game.   Tyler Honeycutt was the #21 recruit , who left for the Sac Kings after his soph year.  Brendan Lane was a top 60 recruit,  who got recruited over, and has now transferred to Pepperdine for PT.   Additionally, 6'10 Anthony stover was brought in as  project.  A 10 minute agame reserve, he still finished 4th in the Pac 12 in blocked shots this pst season. 

Since that group, and in the intervening 2 classes before this new class, Ben brought in FOUR McDonalds All Americans those two subsequent classes.  A 6'10 center in Josh Smith, 2 6'10 PFs in the Wear Twins, and and 6'2 PG in Larry Drew, plus a #21 recruit in Tyler Lamb, and a #41 recruit in Norman Powell.  And landing formre ESPNU top15 prospect Matt Carlino - who transfered to BYU without ever getting into a regular season game at UCLA.   So landing 3 top players (so far) in THIS class Shouldn't be a surprise or shock.

This could be a great recruiting class.  I believe it will, because the top 2 are really special in both talent and ATTITUDE.   But there are no real guarantees.

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 12:23:35 AM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

I'm a firm believer you can't really rate a recruiting class till 4-5 years down the road.    Getting recruits hs NEVER been an issue for Ben Howland at UCLA.   But so far, this is not his "best class" - The reason Howland was "on the hotseat" is because he actually had a "better" recruiting class than this one 4 years ago - that completely didn't pan out for the school - #1 overall Jrue Holiday, #20 Malcolm Lee,   #25 J'Misson Morgan,  #29 Drew Gordan,  #41 Jerime Anderson.   Holiday scored 8 pts as frosh then jumped to the NBA.  Malcolm Lee was behind Holiday and All America Collison as  frosh, struggled as a soph, then jumped to the League as a Junir.   J'Misson Morgan (Bobo) was kicked off the team after a non-contributing 2 years.  Drew Gordan couldn't get off the bench as a frosh, as a soph was such a cancer he was kicked off the team.   Jerime Anderson was a 4 year disappointment.  If you can be a "journeyman" college player, Jerime was it.

The following class after that one included Reeves Nelson who'd been the #11 recruit in the country as a Jr. before getting hurt playing football, and dropping in the rankings as a senior due t lack of play - his problems are well documented.  Mike Moser was a top 50 recruit - transferred after 1 season of 5 minutes a game.   Tyler Honeycutt was the #21 recruit , who left for the Sac Kings after his soph year.  Brendan Lane was a top 60 recruit,  who got recruited over, and has now transferred to Pepperdine for PT.   Additionally, 6'10 Anthony stover was brought in as  project.  A 10 minute agame reserve, he still finished 4th in the Pac 12 in blocked shots this pst season. 

Since that group, and in the intervening 2 classes before this new class, Ben brought in FOUR McDonalds All Americans those two subsequent classes.  A 6'10 center in Josh Smith, 2 6'10 PFs in the Wear Twins, and and 6'2 PG in Larry Drew, plus a #21 recruit in Tyler Lamb, and a #41 recruit in Norman Powell.  And landing formre ESPNU top15 prospect Matt Carlino - who transfered to BYU without ever getting into a regular season game at UCLA.   So landing 3 top players (so far) in THIS class Shouldn't be a surprise or shock.

This could be a great recruiting class.  I believe it will, because the top 2 are really special in both talent and ATTITUDE.   But there are no real guarantees.

Man, even wit all that McD talent and size.... y'all still couldnt box out a 6'2" Top 150 guard.

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 17, 2012, 07:50:52 AM

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 12:23:35 AM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

I'm a firm believer you can't really rate a recruiting class till 4-5 years down the road.    Getting recruits hs NEVER been an issue for Ben Howland at UCLA.   But so far, this is not his "best class" - The reason Howland was "on the hotseat" is because he actually had a "better" recruiting class than this one 4 years ago - that completely didn't pan out for the school - #1 overall Jrue Holiday, #20 Malcolm Lee,   #25 J'Misson Morgan,  #29 Drew Gordan,  #41 Jerime Anderson.   Holiday scored 8 pts as frosh then jumped to the NBA.  Malcolm Lee was behind Holiday and All America Collison as  frosh, struggled as a soph, then jumped to the League as a Junir.   J'Misson Morgan (Bobo) was kicked off the team after a non-contributing 2 years.  Drew Gordan couldn't get off the bench as a frosh, as a soph was such a cancer he was kicked off the team.   Jerime Anderson was a 4 year disappointment.  If you can be a "journeyman" college player, Jerime was it.

The following class after that one included Reeves Nelson who'd been the #11 recruit in the country as a Jr. before getting hurt playing football, and dropping in the rankings as a senior due t lack of play - his problems are well documented.  Mike Moser was a top 50 recruit - transferred after 1 season of 5 minutes a game.   Tyler Honeycutt was the #21 recruit , who left for the Sac Kings after his soph year.  Brendan Lane was a top 60 recruit,  who got recruited over, and has now transferred to Pepperdine for PT.   Additionally, 6'10 Anthony stover was brought in as  project.  A 10 minute agame reserve, he still finished 4th in the Pac 12 in blocked shots this pst season. 

Since that group, and in the intervening 2 classes before this new class, Ben brought in FOUR McDonalds All Americans those two subsequent classes.  A 6'10 center in Josh Smith, 2 6'10 PFs in the Wear Twins, and and 6'2 PG in Larry Drew, plus a #21 recruit in Tyler Lamb, and a #41 recruit in Norman Powell.  And landing formre ESPNU top15 prospect Matt Carlino - who transfered to BYU without ever getting into a regular season game at UCLA.   So landing 3 top players (so far) in THIS class Shouldn't be a surprise or shock.

This could be a great recruiting class.  I believe it will, because the top 2 are really special in both talent and ATTITUDE.   But there are no real guarantees.

Man, even wit all that McD talent and size.... y'all still couldnt box out a 6'2" Top 150 guard.

That's it in a  nutshell.

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 09:48:50 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 17, 2012, 07:50:52 AM

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 12:23:35 AM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

I'm a firm believer you can't really rate a recruiting class till 4-5 years down the road.    Getting recruits hs NEVER been an issue for Ben Howland at UCLA.   But so far, this is not his "best class" - The reason Howland was "on the hotseat" is because he actually had a "better" recruiting class than this one 4 years ago - that completely didn't pan out for the school - #1 overall Jrue Holiday, #20 Malcolm Lee,   #25 J'Misson Morgan,  #29 Drew Gordan,  #41 Jerime Anderson.   Holiday scored 8 pts as frosh then jumped to the NBA.  Malcolm Lee was behind Holiday and All America Collison as  frosh, struggled as a soph, then jumped to the League as a Junir.   J'Misson Morgan (Bobo) was kicked off the team after a non-contributing 2 years.  Drew Gordan couldn't get off the bench as a frosh, as a soph was such a cancer he was kicked off the team.   Jerime Anderson was a 4 year disappointment.  If you can be a "journeyman" college player, Jerime was it.

The following class after that one included Reeves Nelson who'd been the #11 recruit in the country as a Jr. before getting hurt playing football, and dropping in the rankings as a senior due t lack of play - his problems are well documented.  Mike Moser was a top 50 recruit - transferred after 1 season of 5 minutes a game.   Tyler Honeycutt was the #21 recruit , who left for the Sac Kings after his soph year.  Brendan Lane was a top 60 recruit,  who got recruited over, and has now transferred to Pepperdine for PT.   Additionally, 6'10 Anthony stover was brought in as  project.  A 10 minute agame reserve, he still finished 4th in the Pac 12 in blocked shots this pst season. 

Since that group, and in the intervening 2 classes before this new class, Ben brought in FOUR McDonalds All Americans those two subsequent classes.  A 6'10 center in Josh Smith, 2 6'10 PFs in the Wear Twins, and and 6'2 PG in Larry Drew, plus a #21 recruit in Tyler Lamb, and a #41 recruit in Norman Powell.  And landing formre ESPNU top15 prospect Matt Carlino - who transfered to BYU without ever getting into a regular season game at UCLA.   So landing 3 top players (so far) in THIS class Shouldn't be a surprise or shock.

This could be a great recruiting class.  I believe it will, because the top 2 are really special in both talent and ATTITUDE.   But there are no real guarantees.

Man, even wit all that McD talent and size.... y'all still couldnt box out a 6'2" Top 150 guard.

That's it in a  nutshell.

I live in LA and watched a great deal of UCLA last year (as wll as other years since 1990)

It was apparent to me that Howland had little control last year of the squad (even before the Nelson departure)

Just one of those things where a team just doesn't puzzle together right, the same can probably be said of the 2010-2011 squad.

I don't think Howland has forgot how to coach and obviously his recruiting has not fallen off.

I do think that kids like KA and Shabbaz are well disciplined basketball players and people and Howland should right the ship. However with these two likely one and done, it is on Howland's shoulders not to revert back to recruiting bad apples as he has done in the past.

Quote from: sju89tr on April 17, 2012, 11:07:17 AM

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 09:48:50 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 17, 2012, 07:50:52 AM

Quote from: crgreen on April 17, 2012, 12:23:35 AM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on April 16, 2012, 08:59:33 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 16, 2012, 12:21:20 PM

You guys are right and I am totally off base here. Kyle was certainly entitled to change his mind.

I wish the young man nothing but the best, he is a local kid and I would love to see him thrive as he moves forward in his basketball career.

While I am far from a conspiracy theorist and definitely understand why a player would choose UCLA.  I do find it interesting that Howland has pulled his best recruiting class while he is on the hot seat.  While rumors were flying he was out of a job he was able to obtain the services of 2 of the top 3 players in the class.

I'm a firm believer you can't really rate a recruiting class till 4-5 years down the road.    Getting recruits hs NEVER been an issue for Ben Howland at UCLA.   But so far, this is not his "best class" - The reason Howland was "on the hotseat" is because he actually had a "better" recruiting class than this one 4 years ago - that completely didn't pan out for the school - #1 overall Jrue Holiday, #20 Malcolm Lee,   #25 J'Misson Morgan,  #29 Drew Gordan,  #41 Jerime Anderson.   Holiday scored 8 pts as frosh then jumped to the NBA.  Malcolm Lee was behind Holiday and All America Collison as  frosh, struggled as a soph, then jumped to the League as a Junir.   J'Misson Morgan (Bobo) was kicked off the team after a non-contributing 2 years.  Drew Gordan couldn't get off the bench as a frosh, as a soph was such a cancer he was kicked off the team.   Jerime Anderson was a 4 year disappointment.  If you can be a "journeyman" college player, Jerime was it.

The following class after that one included Reeves Nelson who'd been the #11 recruit in the country as a Jr. before getting hurt playing football, and dropping in the rankings as a senior due t lack of play - his problems are well documented.  Mike Moser was a top 50 recruit - transferred after 1 season of 5 minutes a game.   Tyler Honeycutt was the #21 recruit , who left for the Sac Kings after his soph year.  Brendan Lane was a top 60 recruit,  who got recruited over, and has now transferred to Pepperdine for PT.   Additionally, 6'10 Anthony stover was brought in as  project.  A 10 minute agame reserve, he still finished 4th in the Pac 12 in blocked shots this pst season. 

Since that group, and in the intervening 2 classes before this new class, Ben brought in FOUR McDonalds All Americans those two subsequent classes.  A 6'10 center in Josh Smith, 2 6'10 PFs in the Wear Twins, and and 6'2 PG in Larry Drew, plus a #21 recruit in Tyler Lamb, and a #41 recruit in Norman Powell.  And landing formre ESPNU top15 prospect Matt Carlino - who transfered to BYU without ever getting into a regular season game at UCLA.   So landing 3 top players (so far) in THIS class Shouldn't be a surprise or shock.

This could be a great recruiting class.  I believe it will, because the top 2 are really special in both talent and ATTITUDE.   But there are no real guarantees.

Man, even wit all that McD talent and size.... y'all still couldnt box out a 6'2" Top 150 guard.

That's it in a  nutshell.

I live in LA and watched a great deal of UCLA last year (as wll as other years since 1990)

It was apparent to me that Howland had little control last year of the squad (even before the Nelson departure)

Just one of those things where a team just doesn't puzzle together right, the same can probably be said of the 2010-2011 squad.

I don't think Howland has forgot how to coach and obviously his recruiting has not fallen off.

I do think that kids like KA and Shabbaz are well disciplined basketball players and people and Howland should right the ship. However with these two likely one and done, it is on Howland's shoulders not to revert back to recruiting bad apples as he has done in the past.

great feedback.  I do think next year will turn things around.  Vinny Chase is taking over L.A. ... again lol    Last year's "Slug it out Beaches" will become "Hug it out beaches" again..."
 
Happy days for cr and you - ha ha ha

I don't watch Entourage.  Can someone explain all of the Vinny Chase references to me.  They're going over my head.