What do we need for our NCAA Tourney resume

Running with quotes from Zags article...how many wins to be an NCAA tourney team? Would 17 or 18 get us in.  Still means we need at least 5 wins..and we can't have any more of those 25 point losses either.



http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/01/30/to-go-dancing-st-johns-still-has-work-ahead/

“It’s a big feather in their cap,” Jerry Palm, the operator of CollegeRPI.com, said by phone. “I guess it’s their best win of the year. This is a team that had lost five out of six. It’s huge in that it stops the bleeding. But there’s a lot of word for this team to do. This is just a really good win.”

St. John’s now owns a road win over West Virginia and home wins over Duke, then-No. 13 Georgetown and then-No. 9 Notre Dame.

But they also suffered early-season losses to Atlantic 10 bottom-feeders Fordham and St. Bonaventure.

“There’s not a lot of margin for error for these guys,” Palm said.

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Looking down the schedule, Palm said he sees only three St. John’s games in which St. John’s “will probably be favored”  – Rutgers, DePaul and South Florida at home.

Even assuming the Johnnies win those three games, that only brings them to 15 total regular-season victories.

“If you finish the season with 15 regular-season wins, it isn’t going to make it,” Palm said. “Fifteen ain’t gonna get it done.”

Palm figures it will take at least 18 wins to make it, and even that number is a moving target.

“You’re probably going to need at least 18,” he said. “Hardly anybody gets an at-large bid with less than 18.”

That would mean finding six more wins over the last 10 games, a stretch that includes games at UCLA, at Cincinnati, at Marquette, at Villanova and at Seton Hall, and home tilts with UConn and No. 2 Pitt.

Still, Lavin said the Big East is so strong that a team that finishes ninth, 10th or 11th could still deserve an at-large bid to the Big Dance. The Big East is now 6-1 against Top 10 teams not in the conference.

I think St. John's needs to win the following games to dance:
Rutgers
DePaul
South Florida
UCLA
Seton Hall

And win at least 1 of the following:
Cincinnati
Marquette

With losses to:
UConn
Pitt
Villanova

I agree...We have to find a way to go 6-4 in the last 10 games.  If we can get to 18 wins with our SOS and the extra 3 teams added i think it will be a strong enough case.  Plus a 9-9 record in this conference should be an automatic.  17-13 will be close and we may have to bank on what we do in the BE tournament. 

It's imperative to go at least 2-1 in the next three (RU, @UCLA, Uconn). 

If the college basketball season ended today, there would be no reason for sweaty palms in Queens, says ESPN’s bracketologist Joe Lunardi.

Lunardi says St. John’s' rout of Duke on Sunday moved the Red Storm “above bubble team status” for now.

“I view St. John's as slightly above 'bubble team' status at this point,” Lunardi said in an e-mail to The Post. “The Red Storm have four RPI Top 50 wins, which far outweigh their bad losses, and would almost certainly be in the NCAA field if announced today.

Read More:
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/backpage/bracketologist_st_john_off_of_bubble_jkzBhrGk71ToX8PFxCaXkJ

Must wins = Rutgers, Depaul, Seton Hall, South Florida

Win 2 of these 6 = UCLA, Marquette, Cinci, Pitt, Nova, UCONN

A loss to any 4 of the must wins, increases the number of wins in my second line. 

We also need to win our first game in the BET.  One and done in the tourney won't be good!!!

according to Rivals we need to do a bit more...although they do say this is how they see things at the end of the year not as they are currently...although bracketology has us in

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1184989

We need 18 wins before the BET to have a good shot. If we go 18-12 (9-9) and we win at least one BET game then I think we are in good shape. We need to beat USF and DePaul but I think we also really need to beat either Marquette or Cincy because we are competing against them for one of the final spots.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

11 Big East teams. SJU is a 9 seed. Lunardi is great at this and if we are a 9 we are solidly in right now.

I think we need to finish 9-9 in conference, with EITHER a win v ucla, or a win in the BE tourney.  18 wins.

I think we need to finish 9-9 in conference, with EITHER a win v ucla, or a win in the BE tourney.  18 wins.

I dont think we need one or the other, we need both. It's likely our first BE tourney game will be against a bottom 4 BE team which makes it a must win anyway.

Our SOS is already great, and if we add ucla thatd be another big non conf win to go w duke, and then the nd, gtown, and wv wins.  That would be enough. 

9 - 9 in conference will be very difficult and it will be a great achievement if we reach it.

We should blow out Depaul at home and will be a solid favorite against South Florida at home.  After that we have six tough conference games that we'll be underdogs, sometimes heavy, in each.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/02/11/despite-huge-win-johnnies-still-have-work-to-do/#more-46940

St. John’s, which last made the Big Dance in 2002, has seven regular-season games remaining.

Four of those are on the road — Cincinnati, Marquette, Villanova and Seton Hall.

The three home games include Pittsburgh, DePaul and South Florida.

“I would expect they’d be underdogs in five of these games, even at Seton Hall,” Palm said, referring to the four road games and the Pitt home contest.

“They lose all five, that’s 14 losses in the regular season and a 15th in the Big East tournament, because we’re talking about an at-large bid.”

Indeed, if St. John’s goes 2-5 in the remaining seven regular-season games, they would stand at 16-14 overall, 8-10 in the Big East.

“You’re in trouble at 16-14 entering the conference tournament,” Palm said. “I don’t know what seed you are at that point.”

Bottom line?

Even if St. John’s loses to Pitt at home, they need to find a way to go at least 3-4 in the remaining seven games.

That means winning one or  two road games in addition to beating DePaul and USF at home.

“It’s nice to have good wins,” he said. “It’s nice to prove you can beat good teams. But it depends. At some point you’ve got to have a decent record.”

Basixally saying what we all have said.  Gotta go 9-9. UConn win maybe means we can go 9_9 and lkose first roound.  Bioy I really think a win this weekend v cincy + depaul and usf wiould seal it.

This win made going 9-9 that much easier. I think the Cincy game is huge, if we win Sunday we would just have to beat DePaul and USF to be at .500 in BE. I think we can beat SH also and if we did all that we would be in, Sundays game is another huge won gota win it.

as far as bracket predictions go, the bracketproject is really your best bet to decipher the bubble teams:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

right now they have the johnnies as a 9

and nothing wrong with lunardis predictions but he doesnt even rank in the top half:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

as far as bracket predictions go, the bracketproject is really your best bet to decipher the bubble teams:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

right now they have the johnnies as a 9

and nothing wrong with lunardis predictions but he doesnt even rank in the top half:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

I prefer Lunardi because he knows what he's doing and has a track record.  That site uses predictions from random blogs who probably have no idea how the selection process actually works.

Quote from: redmen22 on February 11, 2011, 07:04:11 PM

as far as bracket predictions go, the bracketproject is really your best bet to decipher the bubble teams:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

right now they have the johnnies as a 9

and nothing wrong with lunardis predictions but he doesnt even rank in the top half:

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

I prefer Lunardi because he knows what he's doing and has a track record.  That site uses predictions from random blogs who probably have no idea how the selection process actually works.

The reason I find it useful is because every year they get it right save for the last 3-4 at large teams so... if the johnnies end the season in the middle of the bracket theyll be more than in the clear... it just helps with the "speculation"

RonRon says we're in! 



St. John's has dropped its last four road games, and the Big East program has already lost nine games this season, including a December loss to struggling Fordham.

Of course, the Red Storm have also defeated the likes of Duke and Georgetown at the Garden, and on Thursday, they dominated ninth-ranked UConn, 89-72.

That last bit is enough to make the Johnnies an NCAA Tournament team - at least according to St. John's alum Ron Artest.

"Easily," Artest said before Friday's Lakers-Knicks showdown at MSG. "They're going to make it."

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He then pronounced the Johnnies, "The best (college) team in basketball."

"Easily," he said in his typical half-joking, half-serious way. "It's just sometimes we let the other teams win."



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/02/12/2011-02-12_lakers_forward_and_st_johns_alum_ron_artest_says_red_storm_should_be_in_ncaa_tou.html#ixzz1Dl78r5Y6