Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1200 on: February 03, 2013, 03:47:30 PM »
Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.

At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info.  Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why).  Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out.  Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.

Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy.  You pick your spots with who you want to deal with.  Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.

No I know and Harkless last year.  But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.

Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence?  ;)

Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers.  Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4

Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's.  Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on.  There are only 2 players who have yet to commit.  Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29.  Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away.  And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4

http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 

Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math

Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
So then why the concern for the other recruits age?

Because Junior Etou is from overseas and we know the issues with foreign recruits and their age and how it starts the dogs from Indy sniffing.  Etou was subject of big article in Washington about how he played in his native country and now is in the US claiming to be a different age.
Ok I see, gotcha

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1201 on: February 03, 2013, 04:01:29 PM »
Sorry to say it, but the recruitment of kids like Lawrence is the rule, not the exception and has really soured me o chasing NYC kids.  This is an all too common theme.  Not saying it doesn't happen with kids from other places as well, but happens a ton to SJU. 

Frankly though, I'm more disturbed about us not having other options than I am losing Lawrence per se. 

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1202 on: February 03, 2013, 04:02:37 PM »

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1203 on: February 03, 2013, 04:09:05 PM »
I just want someone who can hit an open jumper. I want someone who can grab a rebound. Those are my two desires, lol.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1204 on: February 03, 2013, 04:12:53 PM »
Lavin on a few occasions recently mentioned looking abroad as well. Don't know if that means anything or is just idle chatter. May not be a bad idea.


Not after what we just went thru with Orlando.

Australian kids have clean transcripts, but it's a pain in the ass to travel there from NY.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1205 on: February 03, 2013, 04:17:57 PM »
Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.

I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.

Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2013, 04:18:29 PM by section3 »

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1206 on: February 03, 2013, 04:21:07 PM »
Sorry to say it, but the recruitment of kids like Lawrence is the rule, not the exception and has really soured me o chasing NYC kids.  This is an all too common theme.  Not saying it doesn't happen with kids from other places as well, but happens a ton to SJU. 

Frankly though, I'm more disturbed about us not having other options than I am losing Lawrence per se.

For kids who grow up in the concrete jungle, the spector of something different has allure...that said, Cinci is not exactly what I meant by alluring (although it is nice little town)...NYC kids are a tough get

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1207 on: February 03, 2013, 04:23:52 PM »
Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.

I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.

Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?

Too much nonsense is what I was told fwiw.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1208 on: February 03, 2013, 04:25:58 PM »
Please elaborate.  It is rather obvious when Lavin stops recruiting a kid.  I would love to know the details of why he backed off.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1209 on: February 03, 2013, 04:27:41 PM »
Please elaborate.  It is rather obvious when Lavin stops recruiting a kid.  I would love to know the details of why he backed off.

Told you what I heard. Don't have any details.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1210 on: February 03, 2013, 04:55:22 PM »
In a year when the recruitment of a four or five player was a priority to the staff, Lavin and staff struck out on every player they recruited.  Actually this is no different then Mahoney, Jarvis or Frannie who all had big recruited classes to start.  It usually happens when a new staff comes in and creates a buzz and recruits all buy into the hype.  However, the real recruiters do it in years 4,5 or 6 after all the fanfare has worn off.   

To deny by any true fan that coach Lavins efforts in recruiting this season seem dismal at best is to believe that we are a final 4 team.  The book is still out on ouch Lavins recruiting ability at ths school.  Forget the UCLA recruiting as the schools name alone brought in the recruits. 

No matter which way you slice it, losing a kid from Louisiana is one thing but losing a kid in your own back yard when you profess to be a national program is not good for business, and he's not the only one.  Kudos to Maven for the info which on here and other sites is usually not quite accurate.  Was it not just a few weeks ago that another poster on here stated that Lawrence was a done deal for St. johns?

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1211 on: February 03, 2013, 04:57:38 PM »
notice his t-shirt

http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/



Funny.  People sitting next to him dont seem to be as happy.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1212 on: February 03, 2013, 05:00:46 PM »
notice his t-shirt

http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/



Funny.  People sitting next to him dont seem to be as happy.

It's a pretty crappy thing to do to your family. I hope the money was worth it. But who knows of the kid will ever see any of it. Handler may get the first check, or bag of money.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1213 on: February 03, 2013, 05:05:40 PM »
In a year when the recruitment of a four or five player was a priority to the staff, Lavin and staff struck out on every player they recruited.  Actually this is no different then Mahoney, Jarvis or Frannie who all had big recruited classes to start.  It usually happens when a new staff comes in and creates a buzz and recruits all buy into the hype.  However, the real recruiters do it in years 4,5 or 6 after all the fanfare has worn off.   

To deny by any true fan that coach Lavins efforts in recruiting this season seem dismal at best is to believe that we are a final 4 team.  The book is still out on ouch Lavins recruiting ability at ths school.  Forget the UCLA recruiting as the schools name alone brought in the recruits. 

No matter which way you slice it, losing a kid from Louisiana is one thing but losing a kid in your own back yard when you profess to be a national program is not good for business, and he's not the only one.  Kudos to Maven for the info which on here and other sites is usually not quite accurate.  Was it not just a few weeks ago that another poster on here stated that Lawrence was a done deal for St. johns?

All of them...To the Gallows!  Coaches and Posters!

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1214 on: February 03, 2013, 05:15:17 PM »
Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1215 on: February 03, 2013, 05:22:54 PM »
Lavin got Moe and CO; lost Jermaine and McCullough.  2 for 4.  We didn't pursue Omar Calhoun and I strongly suspect that we are not really after Whitehead.   Frankly, other than the few I mentioned, I can't think of any local players that were worth chasing.   Let's see how we do in 2014 and beyond before we say he can't recruit NY.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1216 on: February 03, 2013, 05:23:47 PM »
 
Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.

I dont think Lavin knows at all if Dlo or Sampson will be back, so the pressure is not off.  I have faith Lavin will pick up at least one maybe two decent recruits this year even if we miss out on Jordan, but if Dlo and/or Sampson leave were gonna be middle of road big east team.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY
« Reply #1217 on: February 03, 2013, 05:29:44 PM »
 Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud. 

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1218 on: February 03, 2013, 05:31:14 PM »
Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.

I dont think Lavin knows at all if Dlo or Sampson will be back, so the pressure is not off.  I have faith Lavin will pick up at least one maybe two decent recruits this year even if we miss out on Jordan, but if Dlo and/or Sampson leave were gonna be middle of road big east team.

DLo and Sampson would be out of the f'n minds to leave. Both are not ready for the NBA, or the NBDL.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1219 on: February 03, 2013, 05:32:06 PM »
Check out draftexpress.net. I can't see why either Sampson or Dlo would leave. This isn't Harkless Part II, where his stock was shooting up like a meteor last year.

Last, I trust KOB to provide real info, rather than posters who show up with agendas after disappearing during a 5 game winning street. We got the top NYC recruit in 2011, and top in 2012 IMO because I value  Obekpa and his skill set/ upside more than Calhoun. The criticisms thus far about 2014 are fair and I'm with you guys on that.