Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

Obviously Poison.  But every year in college hoops there are kids that make laughable decisions.  Just need to hope STj isn't on the list.

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

Good post. It's amazing how some of our fans survived the Norm years.

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

You cant expect St Johns fans to use logic

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy.  Career history?  That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits. 

I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.

Quote from: boo3 on February 03, 2013, 05:29:44 PM

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy.  Career history?  That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits. 

I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.

While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on February 03, 2013, 05:51:35 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 03, 2013, 05:29:44 PM

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy.  Career history?  That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits. 

I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.

While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.

Brian Mahoneys first recruited class was rated higher...... Two top ten players in Lopez and Hamilton and another top 20 recruit, Roshown McCloud.  Again I believe when any new coach hits a program ( except or Norm Roberts) the hype surrounding the new hire always brings in a few great recruits.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on February 03, 2013, 05:58:13 PM

Quote from: Linda Mirabella on February 03, 2013, 05:51:35 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 03, 2013, 05:29:44 PM

Continue to be amazed by our fans. 

 Lavin whiffing left and right.  People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history. 

 Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.

 Moe was top NYC player, no?  Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?

 Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?

 You people need to open your eyes.  So Lawrence went to Cincy.  So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?

 This shit gets funnier by the day.

Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far.  Enjoy the season for crying out loud.

It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy.  Career history?  That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits. 

I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.

While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.

Brian Mahoneys first recruited class was rated higher...... Two top ten players in Lopez and Hamilton and another top 20 recruit, Roshown McCloud.  Again I believe when any new coach hits a program ( except or Norm Roberts) the hype surrounding the new hire always brings in a few great recruits.

Not McCloud that year, Tarik Turner

Check out draftexpress.net. I can't see why either Sampson or Dlo would leave. This isn't Harkless Part II, where his stock was shooting up like a meteor last year.

Last, I trust KOB to provide real info, rather than posters who show up with agendas after disappearing during a 5 game winning street. We got the top NYC recruit in 2011, and top in 2012 IMO because I value  Obekpa and his skill set/ upside more than Calhoun. The criticisms thus far about 2014 are fair and I'm with you guys on that.

Amen. 

The guys getting panicky over this need to look at who is agreeing with them.  And she must have gotten healthy real quick with the crappy news.

Obviously Poison.  But every year in college hoops there are kids that make laughable decisions.  Just need to hope STj isn't on the list.

Yes, there are. Perhaps we need another stupid player to make a stupid decision so that everyone will be reminded that the NBA doesn't care about a 6'1 shooting guard who can be shut down by an unranked team, or a 160 lb PF with no back to the basket game, and awful defensive habits.

It's a loss for St. John's on sheer talent. There is no doubt that Lawrence would have been a nice compliment player in the front court. One thing Lavin said when he was hired was that he doesn't chase recruits and there were definitely some things that steered him away.

You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down

Kob - you think that's a good or bad thing?

 Definition of chase?    Give in to ridiculous demands?

My personal opinion I think it's cool. But u better have a backup plan or be one hell of a coach

As Dave and kob said Coach does not chase recruits.  He does that for 2 big reasons:

1) Ultimately it is a waste of time since the kid obviously wants to go somewhere else so why put in the energy (Some coaches do it to try to placate a fan base even though they know the kid isn't coming).

2) He is confident enough in his ability to find alternate kids somewhere else including other parts of the country.

Also keep this in mind when you think about other targets for this year besides Rysheed.  Kids decommit/ask out of their NLI all the time in the Spring when the coaching carousel begins.  In other words the unknown scenarios that no one knows until they occur.

Relax.  Jermaine is a terrific talent and it would have been a nice get.  But he is not the be all end all by any stretch. 

Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.

Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.

 ^^ I love this guy..

Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.

Cryptic, but I like...

If Lavin really does have another ace up his sleeve, I'm impressed. 

Steve Lavin on recruiting:

Steve Lavin on Recruiting

Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.

I hear ya !