Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

I believe if "she" is not a big factor in this decision then I think it will be SJU.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:57:48 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

I know it's not necessary. Would be nice to have one though. Was just commenting on those who said he would fill the sf void. Wonder how my man C J would feel if he came on board.

Competition is good, makes players better.  One's who work the hardest and play the best will play the most.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately, as seen by the transfer thread, college players don't always have that mindset.

Quote from: MCNPA on May 09, 2014, 10:10:40 PM

He's a SF and we don't need a PF.  He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open.  I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison.  I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff.  Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential.  He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance.  Big uograde over what we have there.  Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo.  We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt.  Ready to roll...

Definitely more a big man than a SF. But, again, we don't need a SF. Dom is enough at that position.

Don't get me started.  That's ridiculous.  Dom isn't nearly enough at the SF spot.  He can't score at all.  Lawrence is almost 5 inches taller and will be a better scorer than Dom.  I love Sir'Dom but he hasn't proven his ability to be neither a defensive stopper and he has little ability to impact on offense. 

I understand Dave's point that he's maybe more of a 4/3 than a 3/4 but he's got a good handle and can do a better job at the 3 than anyone we have by far.  I hope his handler isn't a big part of this any more.  If she isn't, I think its SJU in a landslide.  He's a better player than Manhattan caliber, and we have a ton of room for him to earn the SF spot outright.

I know Massiello can recruit but is this kid really going to transfer to the MAAC without really ever getting a legit chance to prove himself at a higher level? With that being said, clearly he didn't assert himself last year and you have to say there are questions surrounding him. When I did watch Cincy last year I didn't see much out of him besides being a screener but based on lack of minutes the potential is there.

I would love to add a transfer and being home with a year off to work on his game and mature could be mutually beneficial.  If Lav likes the vibe then go for it.

@SammyAlbano: Hearing mutual intrst btween @mainestory & @StJohnsBBall. Kid saying family illness reason 4 transfer & will seek 4 immediate eligibility

Perfecto!  That means 'perfect', translated into English... for those of you wondering.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Bingo.  Lawrence akin to Deandre Daniels his first season.   First year, Daniels looked like a bust.  He is also more of a 4/3.   I think Lawrence can have similar improvement.

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.

If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.

Quote from: section3 on May 10, 2014, 10:51:08 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.

If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.

Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones.  I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot.  He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster.  We do have enough big men.  What we don't have is any wing play.   We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa.  We'd be super long.

The irony is we had a  plethora of long wings w Lavins first recruiting class and  we had Pollee aboard. Now that is our thinnest position.

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 10, 2014, 11:45:34 AM

Quote from: section3 on May 10, 2014, 10:51:08 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.

If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.

Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones.  I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot.  He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster.  We do have enough big men.  What we don't have is any wing play.   We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa.  We'd be super long.

Actually you are both wrong, at least partially, IMHO. 212-Lawrence fancies himself a 3 wanting to take 3s at least that was the write up out of HS, and MCN my friend you count 5 bigs but just because a player is on the roster doesn't mean he can or will play. Are you really counting on anything from Joey D who avg 1 pt in a low D1 school as a JR, Adonis who may not be ready to contribute anything positive right away and CJ who on his first go round proved allergic to rebounding. I do agree with MCN that Lawrence should play the 3 if we get him.

Quote from: MCNPA on May 10, 2014, 11:49:15 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 10, 2014, 11:45:34 AM

Quote from: section3 on May 10, 2014, 10:51:08 AM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 09, 2014, 09:49:28 PM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on May 09, 2014, 09:42:09 PM

Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.

Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.

But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...

Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.

If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.

Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones.  I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot.  He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster.  We do have enough big men.  What we don't have is any wing play.   We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa.  We'd be super long.

Actually you are both wrong, at least partially, IMHO. 212-Lawrence fancies himself a 3 wanting to take 3s at least that was the write up out of HS, and MCN my friend you count 5 bigs but just because a player is on the roster doesn't mean he can or will play. Are you really counting on anything from Joey D who avg 1 pt in a low D1 school as a JR, Adonis who may not be ready to contribute anything positive right away and CJ who on his first go round proved allergic to rebounding. I do agree with MCN that Lawrence should play the 3 if we get him.

I don't really care if he "fancies himself a 3" or not. He's 6'9'' on a team with barely any big men who can score. Jakarr and Moe probably both fancied themselves 3's while they were here as well. I'm not disputing the fact that he could potentially play the three, just not on the team we will have next season. We don't have much choice but to go small. I'd much rather see a Obekpa/Lawrence/Dlo/Jordan/Branch lineup than any other.

If Lawrence is added, perhaps A De La Rosa becomes a redshirt which would be the best possible scenario for him, Joey can take his token minutes in the second half of the year. Obekpa, Thomas, and Jones can man about 65 minutes a game between the three of them. 

Lawrence looked lost at times this year for Cincy. The Johnnies need him and his size and skill level but he definitely needs to take a step up from how he played last year or he'll just be a role player which is fine. Now Kimari Murphy, I saw him quite a few times on TV for OSU and he would be a legit pickup. He's about 6'7-6'8 but played very good strong post defense and athletic finisher in the best conference in the country this past season. He'd be an instant contributor.

Lawrence looked lost at times this year for Cincy. The Johnnies need him and his size and skill level but he definitely needs to take a step up from how he played last year or he'll just be a role player which is fine. Now Kimari Murphy, I saw him quite a few times on TV for OSU and he would be a legit pickup. He's about 6'7-6'8 but played very good strong post defense and athletic finisher in the best conference in the country this past season. He'd be an instant contributor.

I agree. There's no guarantee that adding Lawrence will produce the top 25 recruit he once was. Dom was a top 25 recruit too. Sometimes the rankings are just plain wrong.

@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.

@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.

Zach is treating us to the merely obvious as opposed to the painfully obvious.

BTW-That has not stopped coaches from contacting his former high school coaches.

@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.

Wasn't Brazille saying that he was pretty sure Lawrence wasn't coming here, and now it's no one knows anything?

I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three.  I'm tired of that crap.  Look where it got us last year.  We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day.  Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team. 

Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days.  What is so wrong with being a four?  It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition. 

I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three.  I'm tired of that crap.  Look where it got us last year.  We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day.  Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team. 

Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days.  What is so wrong with being a four?  It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition. 

Mitchell is 2015. I wouldn't turn this kid down, but i agree with your premise. Help your team win.