Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 15, 2014, 09:22:07 PM

Quote from: Foad on May 15, 2014, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 11, 2014, 08:33:39 PM

Quote from: boo3 on May 11, 2014, 08:26:55 PM

Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014"  ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence?    LOL..

 Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..

That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.

+ fun

"Would"

Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.

you forgot he only wants to play the 3 and be the next Durand and is always injured, Lol

Quote from: LJSA on May 16, 2014, 06:06:51 AM

Perhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.

Yeah, I heard about the same thing, but it was a half million for the sit down and then another half million if they wanted to have coffee and dessert afterwards. Thank goodness Lavin told him to get lost. Besides his low character and academic problems (that's what I heard anyway) he's a pussy and a cancer. And he's not 6'9" either, he's only like 5'8". Addition by subtraction. We're better off without him..

You forgot that he will only play the 3 and is demanding 35 min.  a game., wants to be the next Durand and is always injured. We dodged a bullet. LOL

Jermaine has always seemed like a good kid.  Apparently, his family really trusts this adviser, who appears to have achieved some level of success on other fronts and has probably convinced them that she knows what's best for Jermaine.  That's unfortunate.  I was disappointed when we didn't get him the first time, and I'm disappointed again this time.  Hopefully, this turns out like the Obekpa transfer---what appears to be, really isn't.  Maybe he and St. John's can see eye to eye.

Quote from: Foad on May 15, 2014, 09:48:08 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 15, 2014, 09:22:07 PM

Quote from: Foad on May 15, 2014, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 11, 2014, 08:33:39 PM

Quote from: boo3 on May 11, 2014, 08:26:55 PM

Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014"  ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence?    LOL..

 Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..

That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.

+ fun

"Would"

Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.

you forgot he only wants to play the 3 and be the next Durand and is always injured, Lol

Quote from: Foad on May 16, 2014, 07:01:23 AM

Quote from: LJSA on May 16, 2014, 06:06:51 AM

Perhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.

Yeah, I heard about the same thing, but it was a half million for the sit down and then another half million if they wanted to have coffee and dessert afterwards. Thank goodness Lavin told him to get lost. Besides his low character and academic problems (that's what I heard anyway) he's a pussy and a cancer. And he's not 6'9" either, he's only like 5'8". Addition by subtraction. We're better off without him..

You forgot that he will only play the 3 and is demanding 35 min.  a game., wants to be the next Durand and is always injured. We dodged a bullet. LOL

I never heard of Jermaine Lawrence until three days ago, LOL! Learn to read, LOL!

Quote from: SJUFAN on May 15, 2014, 10:27:46 PM

Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.

+1 ill give him credit for that. Its not easy.

I didnt feel confident in this kid coming here regardless.

I thought we would definitely get him given the other schools.  It's clear he had a list of demands and Lavin was not willing to compromise his team for a very talented red flag.  Good for him. I don't necessarily even like Lawrence as a player, and I would have had trboule turning down such a highly regarded prospect based on the "what if" he gets it together.  Cincy was loaded with combos so the lack of stats didn't worry me that much.  The shooting % s did, though, and the fact thtahe wanted to play the three scared me to death.  As I said several times throughout this...give me a lesser talented kid like Keith Thomas who knows his role any day over a 6'9 wannabe wing.  I think Baldi would be able to drop 30 on him from the perimeter...he has no shot of defending anyone out there, but he could be a beast from the FT line in if he accepted that role.

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 15, 2014, 09:55:57 PM

Getting Lawrence was irrelevant to proving my point about Lavin's recruiting because he's proven his skills in that area time and again. It just "would" have been funny if after all this complaining he ended up with a top 25 recruit.

I see. So when you said "that" - seemingly a direct reference to a direct reference to JL enrolling at SJ - would shut people up, you weren't referring to Jermaine Lawrence at all, but to a larger unmentioned point. And, it turns out, you were right anyway, because even though the thing to which you  referred as proof was false, the thing you allege to be true is true because it is true.

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Must suck to wear sh*t colored glasses all day.

Things are what they are. Stupidity and willful blindness don't change facts and neither do delusions. I'm happy to be able to recognize shit for what it is when I step in it, lest like a mindless pollyanna I'm tempted to put it in an ice cream cone with sprinkles and pronounce it delicious.

Nowhere in my above posts am I talking about the program as a whole, or the teams performance under Lavin, which I concede has been far from successful. I'm talking about Lavin's perceived recruiting ability, which seems to be questioned on this board, which I think is ridiculous. His recruiting ability will still be great whether we get JL or not, that was my point. But carry on quoting my posts and pretending I said things I didn't if it makes you feel good.

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Quote from: SJUFAN on May 15, 2014, 10:27:46 PM

Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.

+1 ill give him credit for that. Its not easy.

I didnt feel confident in this kid coming here regardless.

I thought we would definitely get him given the other schools.  It's clear he had a list of demands and Lavin was not willing to compromise his team for a very talented red flag.  Good for him. I don't necessarily even like Lawrence as a player, and I would have had trboule turning down such a highly regarded prospect based on the "what if" he gets it together.  Cincy was loaded with combos so the lack of stats didn't worry me that much.  The shooting % s did, though, and the fact thtahe wanted to play the three scared me to death.  As I said several times throughout this...give me a lesser talented kid like Keith Thomas who knows his role any day over a 6'9 wannabe wing.  I think Baldi would be able to drop 30 on him from the perimeter...he has no shot of defending anyone out there, but he could be a beast from the FT line in if he accepted that role.

No defense,  you know what that means.

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

Not all of us, just a few.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 16, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

Not all of us, just a few.

I have not seen anything substantial stating JL's recruitment has behind the scenes dealings, academic problems, PT demand problems, "head" issues, physical issues, handler issues, confidence issues, "I don't like SJ's" issues....


What is real, what is sour grapes, what is made up?

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.

Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential  pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.

Quote from: Foad on May 15, 2014, 09:19:28 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on May 11, 2014, 08:33:39 PM

Quote from: boo3 on May 11, 2014, 08:26:55 PM

Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014"  ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence?    LOL..

 Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..

That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.

+ fun

"Would"

 " imagine"

No one here was "thrilled", .

"Would be absolutely huge for us."

"Getting this kid available this season would be phenomenal and game changing."

"Wow, picking up Lawrence for 2015 would make up for a lot"

"would love to have him."

"St. John's would be lucky to have him."


"no MAAC team has a shot" -- uwsfan

Trolls be trollin'!

I think Lawrence could have been an awesome pick up.  Outside of pure speculation (which is always fun, don't get me wrong), I don't get how some posters have concluded that Lawrence isn't coming because Lavin wouldn't give in to his "handler's" demands.  I realize this might be hard to swallow for some, but rather than assigning blame to this "handler", maybe Lawrence just doesn't want to play here.  He's had ample opportunity to do so, and seems to be on the verge of rejecting us yet again. 

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

Oh please call up the Iona payroll office!

Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.

Hahaha 
You realize Chris Obekpa is apart of this program right?   Lavin recruited him twice under the shadiest of circumstances.   
Lavin would gladly throw the integrity of the program under a bus if it got him the player he needed.   And he has. 
They've coddled Jordan too, both in the recruiting process and since he's been here.

Let's not act like he's taking some moral high road by not going after Lawrence. 

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 16, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.

Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential  pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.

We can't freaking score.   Whitehead would have been an enormous pickup for us.  McDonalds All-Americans are a big pickup for any school.   Lets stop being ridiculous. 

Quote from: uwsfan on May 16, 2014, 12:21:32 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 16, 2014, 11:54:28 AM

Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
 Braziller tweet

No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.

Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential  pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.

We can't freaking score.   Whitehead would have been an enormous pickup for us.  McDonalds All-Americans are a big pickup for any school.   Lets stop being ridiculous. 

Whitehead could have eventually developed into a solid #2 scoring option. But he is simply not a #1 guy on any highly ranked squad that could advance in the tourney, which is what St. johns aspires to be. He is certainly not the caliber of guy who can demand to be the go to guy as a true frosh for a quality program. SH is going to suffer this coming season with that freshman trying to dominate the ball and for having predetermined that no one else can emerge organically as the #1.

Quote from: SJUFAN on May 15, 2014, 10:27:46 PM

Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.

Hahaha 
You realize Chris Obekpa is apart of this program right?   Lavin recruited him twice under the shadiest of circumstances.   
Lavin would gladly throw the integrity of the program under a bus if it got him the player he needed.   And he has. 
They've coddled Jordan too, both in the recruiting process and since he's been here.

Let's not act like he's taking some moral high road by not going after Lawrence. 

Well, we know with high confidence SPECIFICALLY what the shady issues were with Lawrence and Whitehead.
What SPECIFICALLY are the "shady" tactics that allowed Opeka to come here that you allude to?

 Refresh my memory about Obekpa's shady recruiting ordeal... I don't remember