Villanova - Game Thread

Good to see Dave chiming in.

Had the weekend off. Twitter was broke.

Quote from: Moose on January 23, 2012, 12:26:06 AM

Good to see Dave chiming in.

Had the weekend off. Twitter was broke.

Not that. Just this crap was building. I hope some ppl who respect your site so much will finally accept it coming out of your mouth. #Facts

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 12:43:10 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Cuse is 1, Duke is 2, and they are both miles apart from the rest of schedule. It's a tough game and calling the Plumlees overrated is silly.

Mason has 8 double doubles on the year and is extremely efficient on offense while producing. Miles is clearly a role player for Duke but thrives in his role. Averages 6rpg in 18 min a game and to put that in perspective Moe Harkless averages 8rpg in 35min. He also shoots 70% from the floor while Mason shoots over 60%. They are both 6'10.

@Dave(too much to quote on phone)

The staff needs to do better character checks on these recruits. If Polee is a lazy headcase and his father is overbearing, the staff should have known this beforehand. Or maybe they did and just took a chance, which backfired and there are consequences. If guys on a message board can figure out  Pelle is a misguided individual, why can't the staff see that? Again, maybe they did and took a chance which didn't work out. Right now we need players, not Freud patients. IMO nows not the time to take chances,Been there done that. We have a good core 6 who are playing a ton of minutes and experience, time to build around them and keep the here. Guys like Goodman and Iverson, are we recruiting them? If so, why? Just my opinion

Baldi, "lazy headcase" describes half of the NBA.

I am not sure about the loyalty of a few of the posters here because I have no idea if they are actually alums or some guys who adopted St. John's as their basketball team. At least we know Baldi is an Iona guy and that program gets his primary loyalty. He is clearly an interloper here and finds it easy to find fault at every opportunity. When you ask a question that will expose their illogic they will invariably respond with another question meant to further ridicule the coaches or the program.

It's called, manipulation of an argument or disagreement, Bum.  I, personally know a handful of folks who does the same. 

@Dave(too much to quote on phone)

The staff needs to do better character checks on these recruits. If Polee is a lazy headcase and his father is overbearing, the staff should have known this beforehand. Or maybe they did and just took a chance, which backfired and there are consequences. If guys on a message board can figure out  Pelle is a misguided individual, why can't the staff see that? Again, maybe they did and took a chance which didn't work out. Right now we need players, not Freud patients. IMO nows not the time to take chances,Been there done that. We have a good core 6 who are playing a ton of minutes and experience, time to build around them and keep the here. Guys like Goodman and Iverson, are we recruiting them? If so, why? Just my opinion

There was no time with Polee. The staff was barel in place and dude to a relationship of Lavin they had an inside edge with an uber athlete  like Polee. Also there is no wonderlic test in recruiting to see if a guy is going to bitch out during workouts. Every coach in America has confidence in themselves to be able to coach players. This staff turned around a bunch of seniors and it took nearly 2/3 of a season to finally get ahold of 1 senior to listen. Sometimes things work but when it's clear there is no hope this staff is quick to identify and move on tastefully. If the roster wasn't so depleted this wouldn't even be talked about.

Baldi we got to go to a game together this year. Tickets are on me.

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Arguably he walked into a very poor situation in terms of recruiting.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 23, 2012, 09:57:00 AM

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Arguably he walked into a very poor situation in terms of recruiting.

Could be looked at both ways. Some coaches like their own guys.

He could have had 0 scholys  and have to ask 7 guys to leave

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 10:31:26 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 23, 2012, 09:57:00 AM

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Arguably he walked into a very poor situation in terms of recruiting.

Could be looked at both ways. Some coaches like their own guys.

He could have had 0 scholys  and have to ask 7 guys to leave

I am sure he would have preferred a few juniors on the roster even if it wasn't Hardy and Brownlee. This team currently playing would have been a lot better even if you just returned Horne, Boothe, and Evans for example. 

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 12:43:10 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Cuse is 1, Duke is 2, and they are both miles apart from the rest of schedule. It's a tough game and calling the Plumlees overrated is silly.

Mason has 8 double doubles on the year and is extremely efficient on offense while producing. Miles is clearly a role player for Duke but thrives in his role. Averages 6rpg in 18 min a game and to put that in perspective Moe Harkless averages 8rpg in 35min. He also shoots 70% from the floor while Mason shoots over 60%. They are both 6'10.

Moe harkless is also a 6'8 small forward playing out of position. Agree do disagree here but I think he is overrated

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 01:10:14 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 12:43:10 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Cuse is 1, Duke is 2, and they are both miles apart from the rest of schedule. It's a tough game and calling the Plumlees overrated is silly.

Mason has 8 double doubles on the year and is extremely efficient on offense while producing. Miles is clearly a role player for Duke but thrives in his role. Averages 6rpg in 18 min a game and to put that in perspective Moe Harkless averages 8rpg in 35min. He also shoots 70% from the floor while Mason shoots over 60%. They are both 6'10.

Moe harkless is also a 6'8 small forward playing out of position. Agree do disagree here but I think he is overrated

I would have said GG but his rebounding totals aren't even as good as Harkless. What makes you say they are overrated?

They score at efficient rates, rebound at high rates, don't foul, don't turnover the ball, and strong bodied. They aren't focal point of Duke's team or hyped to be either.

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 10:31:26 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 23, 2012, 09:57:00 AM

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Arguably he walked into a very poor situation in terms of recruiting.

Could be looked at both ways. Some coaches like their own guys.

He could have had 0 scholys  and have to ask 7 guys to leave

Having 1 scholarship player returning in your 2nd year of coaching? C'mon thats a daunting task.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 23, 2012, 10:43:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 10:31:26 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 23, 2012, 09:57:00 AM

Oh for sure if the roster wasn't so depleted, you can take chances when you have a solid crew. Than I'd have to find something else to bitch about. I think Lavin stepped into a great situation, I just hate the ineligible crap.

Arguably he walked into a very poor situation in terms of recruiting.

Could be looked at both ways. Some coaches like their own guys.

He could have had 0 scholys  and have to ask 7 guys to leave

Having 1 scholarship player returning in your 2nd year of coaching? C'mon thats a daunting task.

Yes, it was a daunting task.  The staff had to take some risks to bring in an entirely new team.  They wanted to bring in blue-chippers to get a jump on the curve.  Unfortunately, two of 'em didn't qualify; one of 'em came in late; and, our JUCO transfer left. 

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on January 22, 2012, 10:13:52 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 22, 2012, 09:56:44 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on January 22, 2012, 09:47:58 PM

Baldi getting taken to the wood shed I love it.

Lavin said last year it would take two years to build the roster.  He took chances on two talented guys in Sampson and Pelle.  Two that were worth taking a chance on.  It didn't work out.  Stop acting like you want Lavin to stock the roster with valedictorians. 

Stop trolling. And you're a mod

Ya let's go get a few more Pelles and Nuris

 

I just got called a troll by Baldi.  Now that is funny.  Everyone sees right through you.  Our fan base would be creaming our pants over Amir Garrett in any other year.  This year he is our sixth best recruit.  But keep demanding that Lavin returns to the sideline instead of resting after having cancer surgery.

That was very funny for sure! And you are a good mod that should not be insulted by a former mod:)

I am not sure about the loyalty of a few of the posters here because I have no idea if they are actually alums or some guys who adopted St. John's as their basketball team. At least we know Baldi is an Iona guy and that program gets his primary loyalty. He is clearly an interloper here and finds it easy to find fault at every opportunity. When you ask a question that will expose their illogic they will invariably respond with another question meant to further ridicule the coaches or the program.
They will manufacture situations with players, second-guess a surgeon and re-introduce "difference-makers" like Omar Lawrence who would have had as much an impact on this team as does Jamal White. Ron Roberts decommitted when Norm was finally fired, two years too late and Stith was given an option to leave but stayed. Had he left, signing a JC point guard would have been of greater value to this team as is now obvious with his lack of skills.
Many posters here are experts in one thing only and it is hindsight. Three recruits at RISE? How many players prior to these three were deemed ineligible by the NCAA? The experts here will not answer that question but of course they would have known better.
Nurideen Lindsey transferred because he was being poorly prepared by Dunlap, Hines and Chiles during practices and any advice Hall of Fame coach Keady gave was not to his high standards. That could be the only reason Nuri tanked in games against Kentucky and Detroit and the main reason he shot zero % from threes and was able to hit just 2 jump shots in nine games. The very thought of his losing his starting PG job to Phi Greene caused him to transfer to a higher profile program......Rider.......in the lowly MAAC?
Yes, the main problems are lack of experience and lack of depth but do not expect any interlopers here to mention that even with 3 of the original 2011 recruits gone St. John's has 4 top 100 first year players for the first time in a quarter century on the same team. Norm Roberts had 6 years and could not accomplish that. Jamal Branch was a top 10 high school point guard as rated by ESPN and Rivals. That makes 5 top 100 players to date and a couple of more in the 2012 class will make it seven top 100 players. Those are pretty damn good numbers if you are a Uconn or a Louisville. At St. John's it is unheard of and the half-hearted fans with deep hater issues cannot be happy about the future.
And, NO, just because one frequents this site does not automatically make them a SJ fan.  Some are just angry birds looking for a place to act quak-quak.

Great post.

For the life of me i don't understand the reaction following this 'nova game.  There have been plenty of points during this season where things looked much worse than they do now.  We have confirmation now that Lav will be back sooner or later, putting many of the rumors to rest.  From all reports we appear on the cusp of signing several key recruits.  We just answered one of our biggest weaknesses by bringing in a good defending, pass-first point guard.  And we're coming off an overtime loss to a rival.   

It's not all sunshine and rainbows... but I'm much more optimistic now than I was just two weeks ago.   The kids responded well following the USF disaster.  We all said bouncing back emotionally would be a big step for them.  Well... they did that. 

Poor Baldi and his being a nabob of  negativity--it has to do with living this time of year in the Rockaway's.  It is a very dank and dreary time to be there and depresses most of those who have to stay.  Only thing to do is drink yourself to oblivion or in the modern world, complain in a chat room. 

he will be better come mid to late April when spring returns to the beach--then he can vent his anger on piping plovers and least terns.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 11:00:29 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 01:10:14 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 12:43:10 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Cuse is 1, Duke is 2, and they are both miles apart from the rest of schedule. It's a tough game and calling the Plumlees overrated is silly.

Mason has 8 double doubles on the year and is extremely efficient on offense while producing. Miles is clearly a role player for Duke but thrives in his role. Averages 6rpg in 18 min a game and to put that in perspective Moe Harkless averages 8rpg in 35min. He also shoots 70% from the floor while Mason shoots over 60%. They are both 6'10.

Moe harkless is also a 6'8 small forward playing out of position. Agree do disagree here but I think he is overrated

I would have said GG but his rebounding totals aren't even as good as Harkless. What makes you say they are overrated?

They score at efficient rates, rebound at high rates, don't foul, don't turnover the ball, and strong bodied. They aren't focal point of Duke's team or hyped to be either.

I gotta agree with Dave on this one.  Duke is a terrible match up for us this year.  And it's not just the Plumlees you have to worry about, they also play 6-11 Ryan Kelly, who can shoot from the outside.   Too much size, too good a shooting team, and Duke is too fundamentally sound to turn the ball over or miss foul shots that can keep us hanging around. 

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 11:22:36 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 11:00:29 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 01:10:14 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:56:25 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 23, 2012, 12:43:10 AM

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on January 23, 2012, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PM

Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PM

My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win.  I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way.  And how will/would that affect the team moving forward?  Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? 

So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic.

I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.

Duke is obviously better than us, but with that said they arent a terrible match up for us either. I Dont think they will beat us that badly

St. John's defense forces teams to shoot and that's Duke's bread and butter shoot 20 three's a game. Duke is deep and Plumlees will be relentless on the glass. I can't see how you feel that's favorable at all.

They play man to man defense, and their big's are not that great. Personally I think the Plumlees are really overrated and that Mason is the only one that is any good at all.

We don't have many favorable match ups for us remaining this year. I'm just saying out of all of them, duke isn't the worst. Syracuse is the worst match up for us IMO.

Cuse is 1, Duke is 2, and they are both miles apart from the rest of schedule. It's a tough game and calling the Plumlees overrated is silly.

Mason has 8 double doubles on the year and is extremely efficient on offense while producing. Miles is clearly a role player for Duke but thrives in his role. Averages 6rpg in 18 min a game and to put that in perspective Moe Harkless averages 8rpg in 35min. He also shoots 70% from the floor while Mason shoots over 60%. They are both 6'10.

Moe harkless is also a 6'8 small forward playing out of position. Agree do disagree here but I think he is overrated

I would have said GG but his rebounding totals aren't even as good as Harkless. What makes you say they are overrated?

They score at efficient rates, rebound at high rates, don't foul, don't turnover the ball, and strong bodied. They aren't focal point of Duke's team or hyped to be either.

I gotta agree with Dave on this one.  Duke is a terrible match up for us this year.  And it's not just the Plumlees you have to worry about, they also play 6-11 Ryan Kelly, who can shoot from the outside.   Too much size, too good a shooting team, and Duke is too fundamentally sound to turn the ball over or miss foul shots that can keep us hanging around.

It will be a tougher game for us than Kentucky IMHO