Coaching Carousel Begins

Quote from: Marillac on March 14, 2012, 10:15:11 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 13, 2012, 11:31:30 AM

Yup both out:

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2012/03/13/212348/ggf-horn-fired-as-usc-hoops-coach.html

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/sources-smu-fires-matt-doherty-after-six.html

Now we know why Carlos Morris de-committed from USC. 

And again I don't think it will be that straightforward with Brian and Blaise simply because of SMU being set to join the Big East.  Would the BE allow it and would SMU allow a release to a future opponent?

They join the Big East in 2013.  I don't see a problem.

Are you a member of the Commissioner's office?  This is a BE rule and I am sure you were not even aware of the rule let alone how it could be interpreted.  If John Marinatto says look the spirit of the rule that all members agreed would be violated in this case then that is the only opinion that matters.  Again I am not saying he would say that but are you telling me that would be something totally out of the blue?  No way.

More importantly forget the rule, what about SMU themselves.  What if they choose to give a conditional release that schools do all the time.  In other words what if they don't want to release a kid to a school that will be on their schedule going forward especially a school that competes in the same conference.  That happens all the time.

"Hey give us a list of schools you would be interested in going to and we will tell you which one's we would have objections to."

Again that does not mean they won't get released or that SJU or other BE teams could not be factors but it is definitely something to keep in mind. 

Are you a member of the commissioner's office you nice person?  You are sure I'm not aware of the rule?  It's been the subject of dozens upon dozens of posts over the years. 

I replied "I don't see a problem."  Bernardi committed to and signed his letter of intent to  play for a Conference USA school.  They join the Big East in 2013. 

As for the SMU involvement, I did not intend my comment to extend to that.  It is up to SMU whether they grant the release or not.  If they didn't, the kids would have to sit out a year.  I can't imagine any school this day not allowing a recruit to be released after the firing of the coach the recruit committed to play for. It happens, of course, but not without some kind of fallout I'd imagine.

You are the most insufferable poster on either of the sites.  I'd love to discuss some things with you in person.  I feel bad for your husband.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 14, 2012, 10:25:09 AM

Quote from: Marillac on March 14, 2012, 10:15:11 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 13, 2012, 11:31:30 AM

Yup both out:

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2012/03/13/212348/ggf-horn-fired-as-usc-hoops-coach.html

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/sources-smu-fires-matt-doherty-after-six.html

Now we know why Carlos Morris de-committed from USC. 

And again I don't think it will be that straightforward with Brian and Blaise simply because of SMU being set to join the Big East.  Would the BE allow it and would SMU allow a release to a future opponent?

They join the Big East in 2013.  I don't see a problem.

Are you a member of the Commissioner's office?  This is a BE rule and I am sure you were not even aware of the rule let alone how it could be interpreted.  If John Marinatto says look the spirit of the rule that all members agreed would be violated in this case then that is the only opinion that matters.  Again I am not saying he would say that but are you telling me that would be something totally out of the blue?  No way.

More importantly forget the rule, what about SMU themselves.  What if they choose to give a conditional release that schools do all the time.  In other words what if they don't want to release a kid to a school that will be on their schedule going forward especially a school that competes in the same conference.  That happens all the time.

"Hey give us a list of schools you would be interested in going to and we will tell you which one's we would have objections to."

Again that does not mean they won't get released or that SJU or other BE teams could not be factors but it is definitely something to keep in mind. 

Are you a member of the commissioner's office you nice person?  You are sure I'm not aware of the rule?  It's been the subject of dozens upon dozens of posts over the years. 

I replied "I don't see a problem."  Bernardi committed to and signed his letter of intent to  play for a Conference USA school.  They join the Big East in 2013. 

As for the SMU involvement, I did not intend my comment to extend to that.  It is up to SMU whether they grant the release or not.  If they didn't, the kids would have to sit out a year.  I can't imagine any school this day not allowing a recruit to be released after the firing of the coach the recruit committed to play for. It happens, of course, but not without some kind of fallout I'd imagine.

You are the most insufferable poster on either of the sites.  I'd love to discuss some things with you in person.  I feel bad for your husband.

nice person-Insufferable, getting much better.

To answer your question yes I am 100% certain you were not aware of the rule.

And I said a conditional release.  You clearly do NOT know the rule of transfers.  Transfers need to sit a year PERIOD.  If you are not given a release you are then required to BOTH sit a year AND be OFF scholarship.  That applies to recruits not given releases to that specific school.  The only difference is a regular transfer needs to sit a year even if he/she is given a release whereas if a recruit who signed an NLI is given a release to a certain school that kid is immediately available to play.

Conditional releases are given all the time.  I am only insufferable when posters respond to my post with nice personic responses that clearly do not address the point I made.  You clearly have issues sir and or madam.

For both of your sake, I just spoke to an assistant coach in the league and he doesn't think there will be a problem from the league about the SMU kids possibly transferring to a Big East school.

SMU letting them do it is another issue though.

GoodmanCBS Get ready to add a quality kid to the transfer list now that Ernie Zeigler was fired by Central Michigan. Trey Zeigler led team in scoring.

GoodmanCBS Get ready to add a quality kid to the transfer list now that Ernie Zeigler was fired by Central Michigan. Trey Zeigler led team in scoring.

And pulled down over 6 boards from the SG spot.   His shooting has been spotty, tho.  And for a kid who was considered a GREAT shooter out of HS, he's only been 53% from the FT line in his 2 years at CM.

But I think his overall shooting issues have come from being keyed on (doubles and even triples) every game, as he's easily the best player on that squad.

CMU also has a 6'9" juco recruit originally from Brooklyn.


edit: scratch that. His numbers are super low.

If a player is on a team, and they hire a new coach, if the player transfers, doues he have to sit out a year?

If a player is on a team, and they hire a new coach, if the player transfers, doues he have to sit out a year?

Already on the team?  Yes, unless he gets a hardship waiver, ala Momo Jones, he has to sit a year.   If he's a recruit (not yet in school), if he's signed an LOI, he needs a release from the school.  If he's a verbal, or just signed a Grant-in-aid,  he's free to do whatever he wants.

CMU also has a 6'9" juco recruit originally from Brooklyn.


edit: scratch that. His numbers are super low.

I'd really like to grab the kid from UCLA that CRGreen was talking about, Branden Lane.  6'9 223.  Low #'s makes sense when you think about all the talent he's had to sit behind over his three years:  Dragovich, Reeves Nelson, Stover, and three McDonald's All-Americans this year, Josh Smith and the Wear brothers.

This kid actually played more than twice as many minutes as Mike Moser when they were freshmen, and what a player Moser turned out to be when he was given the PT! He could be a very pleasant surprise for the Johnnies.

Already on the team?  Yes, unless he gets a hardship waiver, ala Momo Jones, he has to sit a year.   If he's a recruit (not yet in school), if he's signed an LOI, he needs a release from the school.  If he's a verbal, or just signed a Grant-in-aid,  he's free to do whatever he wants.

I think kids who only went to a school because their dad is the coach should be able to transfer without penalty if their dad gets canned.

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

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Mississippi St coach Rick Stansbury will "retire" this afternoon, sources told http://CBSSports.com
 
. Stansbury being obviously forced out.

Another one bites the dust

Who does Miss. State have committed for 2012?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=&class=2012&starsfilter=GT&stars=0&ratingfilter=GT&rating=&positionrank=&sportid=4294967293&collegeid=344&conference=&visitmonth=&visityear=&statuscommit=Commitments&statusuncommit=Uncommited&x=35&y=18&honor=&region=&state=&hometown=&height=&weight=


they have 5 commits for 2012.

Who does Miss. State have committed for 2012?

5 signed and I think Gavin Ware a center and Josh Gray a PG are probably the best.  Gray is set to play immediately with the graduation of Dee Bost and of course Sidney is leaving early.

Do they look at Larry Eustachy coaching down the road at Southern Miss?  When he left Iowa St he embarrassed himself but has rehabilitated himself somewhat.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 09:31:40 AM

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

All depends on who you consider a big name.  Was Bill Self a big name when he left Tulsa for Illinois?  It is not the best job in the Big 10 but it is a very good one with big expectations.  I think they can get a Shaka Smart.

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 11:49:55 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 09:31:40 AM

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

All depends on who you consider a big name.  Was Bill Self a big name when he left Tulsa for Illinois?  It is not the best job in the Big 10 but it is a very good one with big expectations.  I think they can get a Shaka Smart.

I would definitely consider Smart among the biggest names of coaches who could be lured from their current job, so I'd be happy if I were an Illinois fan if that's who they get.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 12:33:28 PM

Quote from: LJSA on March 15, 2012, 11:49:55 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 15, 2012, 09:31:40 AM

BTW-Back to the coaching carousel.  If the big jobs hold as is now the Illinois job BY FAR is the cream of the crop in terms of job openings this year.

Do you think they land a big name?

All depends on who you consider a big name.  Was Bill Self a big name when he left Tulsa for Illinois?  It is not the best job in the Big 10 but it is a very good one with big expectations.  I think they can get a Shaka Smart.

I would definitely consider Smart among the biggest names of coaches who could be lured from their current job, so I'd be happy if I were an Illinois fan if that's who they get.

I like Shaka, but he scares me for a big-time job.  Less than 3 years experience to judge.  Yes, he got to a final four his 2nd season.  But that was with 4 seniors in his top five.  2nd year, 4 seniors, you do the math.   Yes, he has a terrific pedigree as an assistant.  AN ASSISTANT.  A school  signing Shaka is basically committing to 5-7 years of whatever he can produce.  As of yet, you don't know WHAT that is, espeically in terms of recruiting, dealing with star egos, etc.  Do you really can a Bruce Weber, and then go with an unproven commodity?  Shaka IS Bruce Weber 9 years ago.

As I said, I lke Shaka.  But he scares me for a big-time job.