Coaching Carousel Begins

Quote from: pmg911 on March 30, 2012, 11:03:33 AM

Has he ever coached....?

Nope. He thinks he can cash in on his exposure from Espn in recruiting. Guy is a criminal and a joke.

Criminal? Thats a bit of a stretch

http://hoopdirt.com/blog/ab70f753/canisius-update/

The situation at Canisius is not as cut and dry as we thought. I reported earlier in the week that Jim Baron was the only candidate to be interviewed, and at that point he was. After he left campus on Monday, the search continued. I have heard that Cleveland State assistant Jayson Gee, and St. Joe’s assistant Dave Duda have also interviewed. A fourth candidate, Creighton assistant Steve Merfeld, is also expected to get an interview. According to who you talk to, either Baron is demanding too much money from Canisius, or he is not the front-runner that some believe. It does sound like there will be some resolution to this soon and an announcement is expected early next week.

Quote from: kjd01067 on March 30, 2012, 11:27:54 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on March 30, 2012, 11:03:33 AM

Has he ever coached....?

Nope. He thinks he can cash in on his exposure from Espn in recruiting. Guy is a criminal and a joke.

Criminal? Thats a bit of a stretch

 http://articles.latimes.com/1996-09-13/sports/sp-43414_1_doug-gottlieb

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 30, 2012, 11:38:17 AM

Quote from: kjd01067 on March 30, 2012, 11:27:54 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on March 30, 2012, 11:03:33 AM

Has he ever coached....?

Nope. He thinks he can cash in on his exposure from Espn in recruiting. Guy is a criminal and a joke.

Criminal? Thats a bit of a stretch

 http://articles.latimes.com/1996-09-13/sports/sp-43414_1_doug-gottlieb

The College basketball world has alot worse

Quote from: Chilleb on March 26, 2012, 04:38:14 PM

Does Carlos Morris commit back to sc?

Would not shock me if USC tried to get back involve with him and Ian Baker.

Well his teammate Ian Baker just popped for Providence so he won't be going back to South Carolina.

http://news.providencejournal.com/sports/college/2012/03/friars-continue-to-remake-backcourt-will-add-ian-baker.html

Couple of developments.  Apparently Bruce Weber is not headed back to SIU.  They just hired former Missouri St coach Barry Hinson who is currently the DOBO for Kansas and Bill Self.

http://thesouthern.com/news/local/report-siu-to-introduce-hinson-wednesday-as-new-men-s/article_d6ee8b92-7861-11e1-97f3-001871e3ce6c.html

And Goodman is reporting as expected Buzz is not going to SMU.  If I were SMU I would make a run at Bruce Weber.  Good coach, proven BCS record and you have the $$$$.  And more importantly he is available.

And almost on point again (much like Groce to Illinois) apparently Weber has been interviewed by SMU:

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/source-smu-interviews-bruce-weber.html

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

  Gave a "silent verbal"

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

Just saw it Mike.  Apparently Jacob Pullen, former KSU guard, has been tweeting a lot of negative stuff about Weber.

Also brings up an interesting dynamic because it is well known that Bill Self and Bruce Weber are not the closest of friends. Weber of course followed Self at Illinois and they took some not so subtle potshots at each other over the first few years thru the media.  I think Weber always felt he was slighted because people always felt he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois.

Quote from: mkras99 on March 31, 2012, 11:39:25 AM

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

Just saw it Mike.  Apparently Jacob Pullen, former KSU guard, has been tweeting a lot of negative stuff about Weber.

Also brings up an interesting dynamic because it is well known that Bill Self and Bruce Weber are not the closest of friends. Weber of course followed Self at Illinois and they took some not so subtle potshots at each other over the first few years thru the media.  I think Weber always felt he was slighted because people always felt he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois.

Does Weber not realize that he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois? He didnt have much success after Self's guys were gone

Quote from: fordham96 on March 31, 2012, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: mkras99 on March 31, 2012, 11:39:25 AM

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

Just saw it Mike.  Apparently Jacob Pullen, former KSU guard, has been tweeting a lot of negative stuff about Weber.

Also brings up an interesting dynamic because it is well known that Bill Self and Bruce Weber are not the closest of friends. Weber of course followed Self at Illinois and they took some not so subtle potshots at each other over the first few years thru the media.  I think Weber always felt he was slighted because people always felt he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois.

Does Weber not realize that he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois? He didnt have much success after Self's guys were gone

Do you know what Weber's career coaching record is, and his record at Illinois? We were thrilled with Lavin did last year, but at Illinois that's a bad season. Weber is a steal for KSU. he got F'd by Indiana and Kelvin Sampson when they stole Eric Gordon from them in a way that obviously against the rules.

You put last years Illini team in the BE, and they win 12 games. That's a talented team.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 31, 2012, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: mkras99 on March 31, 2012, 11:39:25 AM

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

Just saw it Mike.  Apparently Jacob Pullen, former KSU guard, has been tweeting a lot of negative stuff about Weber.

Also brings up an interesting dynamic because it is well known that Bill Self and Bruce Weber are not the closest of friends. Weber of course followed Self at Illinois and they took some not so subtle potshots at each other over the first few years thru the media.  I think Weber always felt he was slighted because people always felt he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois.

Does Weber not realize that he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois? He didnt have much success after Self's guys were gone

By the 3rd season, I think players are basically "yours" in a program.  So I'm wondering.  If over the next 7 years Lavin produces only five 20 plus win seasons, and 4 NCAA tourneys, goes 149-95  (Weber's last 7 year record), is he gone?  Just trying to qualify "much success".  Especially at Illinios, where the "gold standard" is Lou Henson and his 21 year record of 423 and 224 (an average season of 20-10. and a winning percentage of 65.37%) with  9 missed Dances. (one missed very 2.33 seasons).  Weber's record for 9 years  was 210-101 with 3 missed dances (average season of 23-11, a winning percentagoe of 67.52%, with the dance missed every 3 years.

By the way, a reminder - Bill Self was only at Illinois three years, and only 3 years at Tulsa before that.  Can you even count his time as "success", as he was obvioulsy winning with Lon Kruger's players at Illinois and Tubby Smith/Steve Robinson's players at Tulsa? 

Quote from: goredmen on March 31, 2012, 04:08:20 PM

Quote from: fordham96 on March 31, 2012, 12:06:17 PM

Quote from: mkras99 on March 31, 2012, 11:39:25 AM

Sounds like Weber may be getting KSU job.

Just saw it Mike.  Apparently Jacob Pullen, former KSU guard, has been tweeting a lot of negative stuff about Weber.

Also brings up an interesting dynamic because it is well known that Bill Self and Bruce Weber are not the closest of friends. Weber of course followed Self at Illinois and they took some not so subtle potshots at each other over the first few years thru the media.  I think Weber always felt he was slighted because people always felt he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois.

Does Weber not realize that he was living off of Self's recruiting at Illinois? He didnt have much success after Self's guys were gone

By the 3rd season, I think players are basically "yours" in a program.  So I'm wondering.  If over the next 7 years Lavin produces only five 20 plus win seasons, and 4 NCAA tourneys, goes 149-95  (Weber's last 7 year record), is he gone?  Just trying to qualify "much success".  Especially at Illinios, where the "gold standard" is Lou Henson and his 21 year record of 423 and 224 (an average season of 20-10. and a winning percentage of 65.37%) with  9 missed Dances. (one missed very 2.33 seasons).  Weber's record for 9 years  was 210-101 with 3 missed dances (average season of 23-11, a winning percentagoe of 67.52%, with the dance missed every 3 years.

By the way, a reminder - Bill Self was only at Illinois three years, and only 3 years at Tulsa before that.  Can you even count his time as "success", as he was obvioulsy winning with Lon Kruger's players at Illinois and Tubby Smith/Steve Robinson's players at Tulsa? 

Lavin inherited a situation not nearly as good as Weber's. Lavin took a job that was open because the previous coach got fired, not because that coach did such a great job that he landed a top 5 job in the country. Bill Self's guys (yes Deron, Dee Brown, Luther Head, James Augustine etc. were recruited by Self) were the ones that took Weber to the national championship game. Those 4 guys + Charlie Villanueva who committed to Illinois but decommitted after Self left are probably better than any player that Weber has got with the exception of maybe Meyers Leonard.

If you eliminate the 2 years that Weber was working with Self's players you see that he missed the tourney 3 times in 7 seasons and never made the sweet 16. Not terrible but I wouldnt consider that to be much success by any stretch of the imagination.

“@GoodmanCBS: Former URI coach Jim Baron has agreed to become the head coach at Canisius, sources told CBSSports.”

And Miss St has a new coach:

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2012/04/01/report-msu-hires-clemson-assistant-rick-ray/

And Miss St has a new coach:

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2012/04/01/report-msu-hires-clemson-assistant-rick-ray/

I'll be the first to say it (and I'm Black so don't accuse me of the "they all look alike" syndrome).  This guy is almost a Norm Roberts clone, resume-wise, at the time that St. John's hired him.  Ray is even called a "homerun" by Brownell.  Let's hope he has more success.

And Jim Christian leaves TCU for Ohio U.

Bit surprising since TCU is about to officially become a BCS school.

And Jim Christian leaves TCU for Ohio U.

Bit surprising since TCU is about to officially become a BCS school.

Yeah

And back to his previous conference.

Christian's wife is from Ohio.

And I think he might be pulling an Alford and staying one step ahead of the posse. How much more time would TCU have given him? Leaving now probably extends his coaching career.

Quote from: fordham96 on April 01, 2012, 09:29:43 PM

And Miss St has a new coach:

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2012/04/01/report-msu-hires-clemson-assistant-rick-ray/

I'll be the first to say it (and I'm Black so don't accuse me of the "they all look alike" syndrome).  This guy is almost a Norm Roberts clone, resume-wise, at the time that St. John's hired him.  Ray is even called a "homerun" by Brownell.  Let's hope he has more success.

I don't think anyone could have anticipated just how clueless Norm Roberts would be. It wouldn't be fair to paint every assistant coach with the same brush.