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Re: Tourney Team?
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2012, 10:13:59 AM »
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Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
It's not fair to say that Greene was a terrible pg. He wasn't terrible, he's just not a pg. He's a 2 guard playing the point because our starting pg had emotional problems. He improved. I think he'll be fine to start the season for us, and he may even surprise us and put up a fight for his

I said Greene improved but he was a terrible point guard. I agree he is not a point but that is where he was playing and he was terrible at it. If he was operating on people w/o a medical license and killing them I would call him a terrible doctor whether or not he was qualified is irrelevant if he is actualy doing the thing he is terrible at.

Greene is best suited to being a combo third or 4th guard coming off the bench.

I agree with we are sju, Green is/was a terrible point guard.  I got killed during the year when I would trash Greene, but I hate his game.  I can't wait for Branch to be able to play.  I think Greene is a decent role player off the bench, but starting BE pg he is not.  Maybe Greene will prove me wrong, but I just don't see what other posters see when they gush over Greene.  Also, I am sure I am going to get about 10 reaction posts telling me about the 2 games Greene put up great numbers and how much he improved, but I just don't see it.

Do you think he can play PGeffectively for 8 mins next year when Branch needs a blow.
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2012, 10:21:12 AM »
Quote from: kjd01067 on April 25, 2012, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
I said Greene improved but he was a terrible point guard. I agree he is not a point but that is where he was playing and he was terrible at it. If he was operating on people w/o a medical license and killing them I would call him a terrible doctor whether or not he was qualified is irrelevant if he is actualy doing the thing he is terrible at.

Greene is best suited to being a combo third or 4th guard coming off the bench.

I agree with we are sju, Green is/was a terrible point guard.  I got killed during the year when I would trash Greene, but I hate his game.  I can't wait for Branch to be able to play.  I think Greene is a decent role player off the bench, but starting BE pg he is not.  Maybe Greene will prove me wrong, but I just don't see what other posters see when they gush over Greene.  Also, I am sure I am going to get about 10 reaction posts telling me about the 2 games Greene put up great numbers and how much he improved, but I just don't see it.
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2012, 10:23:14 AM »
Quote from: kjd01067 on April 25, 2012, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
It's not fair to say that Greene was a terrible pg. He wasn't terrible, he's just not a pg. He's a 2 guard playing the point because our starting pg had emotional problems. He improved. I think he'll be fine to start the season for us, and he may even surprise us and put up a fight for his

I said Greene improved but he was a terrible point guard. I agree he is not a point but that is where he was playing and he was terrible at it. If he was operating on people w/o a medical license and killing them I would call him a terrible doctor whether or not he was qualified is irrelevant if he is actualy doing the thing he is terrible at.

Greene is best suited to being a combo third or 4th guard coming off the bench.

I agree with we are sju, Green is/was a terrible point guard.  I got killed during the year when I would trash Greene, but I hate his game.  I can't wait for Branch to be able to play.  I think Greene is a decent role player off the bench, but starting BE pg he is not.  Maybe Greene will prove me wrong, but I just don't see what other posters see when they gush over Greene.  Also, I am sure I am going to get about 10 reaction posts telling me about the 2 games Greene put up great numbers and how much he improved, but I just don't see it.

I am a fan of Greene's.  I never deluded myself into thinking he would be an ideal starting pg for a team that is expected to make, and play well in, the NCAA tourney, BUT given the circumstances he was thrusted into last year, IMO, he did a commendable job at filling the pg role for a woefully inexperienced, 6-man team with one decent outside shooter.  I think he will be better this year for his experience last year, and will continue to adequately fill the pg spot until Branch can play, and will be great off the bench in whatever spot Lavin needs him to fill.  Good teams need guys like Greene. 
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kjd01067

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« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2012, 10:32:53 AM »
Yes Moose I do think he can fill the role of backup PG for 8 mins a game. I think he will actually be more effective as a change of pace guy that can come in and give spurts of energy and defense.  I don't think he possesses the pg skills to play more than that on a consistent basis
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« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2012, 10:43:20 AM »
Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
I think Branch will be an upgrade as even though Greene showed improvement at the end he was a terrible point guard. As usual with the experts on these boards people are overating people they have probably never saw play while underating the people that left. We lost our best player from a 13 win 60 point per game team. If you put Harkless on this team I say we are a 20 win 8 seed. W/o Moe unless Sampson is as good as Moe was I think NIT is a better goal.

Greene's no PG. We'd have been better off last year with DH at the 1 and Greene at the 2.

I'd rather make a run in the NIT in 2013 than loose [sic] in the first round of the NCAA tournament. In 2014, assuming we add a big body, this team is a NC contender. I'd rather have tournament experience than not. Worked for Boeheim in 2003.
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« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2012, 10:49:46 AM »
Greene's no PG. We'd have been better off last year with DH at the 1 and Greene at the 2.

I'd rather make a run in the NIT in 2013 than loose [sic] in the first round of the NCAA tournament. In 2014, assuming we add a big body, this team is a NC contender. I'd rather have tournament experience than not. Worked for Boeheim in 2003.Report to moderator     


Unless of course Sampson is as good as Moe we win 17 than Sampson turns pro and we are back to square one again.

I'll take NCAA every time! I enjoy the years SJU can break my brackets when I inexcusably put them in the sweet 16
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« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2012, 10:53:34 AM »
Why all this debate of Greene. He was never penciled in to start as the point guard, Nuri quit and Stith failed so Greene was the only option. He played adequately and improved as the year went along. Of the bench he will play 18-20 minutes a night and with his fearlessness of driving to the hoop and his pull up game I believe he can probably average 8 points a night. He is a rotation guy who will be good in that role.
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« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2012, 11:03:09 AM »
Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
Unless of course Sampson is as good as Moe we win 17 than Sampson turns pro and we are back to square one again.

But we're not. Because then last year's freshmen are juniors. Then we have a core of experienced players to which we add another one year wonder.

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I'll take NCAA every time! I enjoy the years SJU can break my brackets when I inexcusably put them in the sweet 16

Which would be every year but one since the Harding administration. Not me. I want a NC before death brings blessed relief. Besides, what was more fun, losing to Gonzaga in 2011 or beating Georgetown in 2003? Sign me up for another glorious NIT banner.
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« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2012, 11:10:05 AM »
Quote from: sju89tr on April 25, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
Why all this debate of Greene.

Because it's April. We're a month into the great sports desert. That oasis you see up ahead is the Kentucky Derby. After that there's no water until Midnight Madness. By June we'll all be salivating for one of WASJU's top 10 lists, and we're about down to best all time sixth men. (Survey says, Kevin Williams, number one answer.) Soon we're going to be arguing whether Gordy Thomas was better than Mike Feigenbaum. Count your blessings.
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Moose

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« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2012, 11:11:14 AM »
Quote from: we are sju on April 25, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
Unless of course Sampson is as good as Moe we win 17 than Sampson turns pro and we are back to square one again.

I'll take NCAA every time! I enjoy the years SJU can break my brackets when I inexcusably put them in the sweet 16

Sampson will not be one and done.  He's another reason Hooper is around.  They are ridiculously close and will want to play together.
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sju89tr

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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2012, 11:12:00 AM »
Quote from: Foad on April 25, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Quote from: sju89tr on April 25, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
Why all this debate of Greene.

Because it's April. We're a month into the great sports desert. That oasis you see up ahead is the Kentucky Derby. After that there's no water until Midnight Madness. By June we'll all be salivating for one of WASJU's top 10 lists, and we're about down to best all time sixth men. (Survey says, Kevin Williams, number one answer.) Soon we're going to be arguing whether Gordy Thomas was better than Mike Feigenbaum. Count your blessings.
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It see,s more to be a bashing of a freshman than a debate of his skills going forward. I could be wrong though LOL
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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2012, 11:13:39 AM »
NIT?  Wow, just clueless, totally clueless.
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we are sju

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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2012, 11:46:37 AM »
Because it's April. We're a month into the great sports desert. That oasis you see up ahead is the Kentucky Derby. After that there's no water until Midnight Madness. By June we'll all be salivating for one of WASJU's top 10 lists, and we're about down to best all time sixth men. (Survey says, Kevin Williams, number one answer.) Soon we're going to be arguing whether Gordy Thomas was better than Mike Feigenbaum. Count your blessings.

I would go with Mark Jackson over Kevin Williams, though it is really not fair as both should have started.

I don't have the foggiest idea who those other two guys are but  Gordy Feigenbaum sounds like he might be a pharmacist.
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« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »
Quote from: sju89tr on April 25, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
Why all this debate of Greene. He was never penciled in to start as the point guard, Nuri quit and Stith failed so Greene was the only option. He played adequately and improved as the year went along. Of the bench he will play 18-20 minutes a night and with his fearlessness of driving to the hoop and his pull up game I believe he can probably average 8 points a night. He is a rotation guy who will be good in that role.

Greene came to the rescue last year and kept us from a single digit win season.  He can play two positions,  has a good handle and matches up athletically with most guards.  He's a valuable piece to have around, especially if Harrison gets antsy.
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« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2012, 12:40:51 PM »
Quote from: rdstr25 on April 25, 2012, 11:13:39 AM
NIT?  Wow, just clueless, totally clueless.

Really?   The NIT for us next year is that much of a stretch?   

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« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2012, 01:04:30 PM »
Id like to say to some of peeps on this here board that it might be good to appreciate what you got (and the potential therein) instead of alway salivatin over the next player to bring in.

Some y'all talkin like Phil is already wash up and aint capable of improvin.

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« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2012, 01:12:09 PM »
Agree Choz.  I thought Phil played well as a frosh, and is going to be a really good 4-year player for us.
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« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2012, 01:33:16 PM »
Greene had strong games towards the end of the season. A little respect guys.
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desco80

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« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2012, 01:39:21 PM »
Quote from: Choz4Life on April 25, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
Id like to say to some of peeps on this here board that it might be good to appreciate what you got (and the potential therein) instead of alway salivatin over the next player to bring in.

Some y'all talkin like Phil is already wash up and aint capable of improvin.

True enough.

I think we all noticed how much D'angelo's shot improved as the season went along, but it kind've flew under the radar how much better Phil was shooting by the end of the season too.

Phil shot 28% from 3-point for the season.
But the last 13 games he was  12-32, 38%.   

Phil can definitely shoot the ball, and if you combine...
1) a better understanding of the offense   2) fresh legs from less minutes  and 3) playing off the ball after Branch returns
I think that all adds up to a much improved Phil this year.   
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« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2012, 01:41:04 PM »
I think Greene is the starter come January. Can't see Branch being ready
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