Best backcourt in Big East?

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

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Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

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Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 09:59:27 PM

Quote from: Poison on August 15, 2012, 09:52:44 PM

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Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 05:27:10 PM

Quote from: Poison on August 15, 2012, 04:49:49 PM

I don't think it's unfair to rank our backcourt middle to bottom of the BE, because it is so unproven. When you have freshman, you hope they work hard over the summer and improve. Branch isn't a freshman, but he has zero conference play experience. There is no upperclassman in this backcourt because Nurideen Lindsey doesn't like being yelled at.

We're counting on:

- Harrison tightening up his defense.
- Greene working on his jump shooting, and passing.
- Branch stepping in and running the offense like a natural point guard. He missed most of last season, however, he did have the benefit of practicing     
  with the team for most of the season.
- Balamou is a mystery to me. He'll see time immediately, because we're thin until Branch arrives.

No matter how you shake it they scored 25 points a game combined last year.  They proved they can perform.  Efficiency will improve with more bodies, more options to draw attention, plus a full year of experience.

Why do I feel like talking to a wall sometimes where points like that are drastically overlooked?

Maybe because stats alone don't tell the entire story. If you were dead on about Harrison and Greene, then every college basketball analyst would write up a BE Preview that rated SJ favorably. Few are. There is a lot of talent. That we know, but there are also a lot of questions.

If 25 ppg was all we needed for our backcourt to be strong, then Hill and Jackson would have been strong.

Stats lie.

Do you expect their ppg to drop.  Regardless of more ppl on board I don't see their ppg dropping.  I see better shot selection, better defense,  better energy to play the at better defense and not hoist up jumpers with 2 seconds on the clock.  I mean I'm not a pie in the sky fan.  I am on record on what is successful this year in my mind.  But they are no doubt a top half backcourt in the BE.  And anyone who thinks Harrison is overrated (not you) is blind.

No, I expect Harrison and Greene to score more. And yes, I agree, Harrison is very, very good. But he was a freshman. We'll learn everything there is
to know about our 4 returning Sophs in November.

So by scoring more how are they not in the top half of BE backcourts.

Just because the BE is so deep at guard this year and your backcourt is still very inexperienced in comparison. Right now St. John's back court is 1 proven player in Harrison, a complete unknown Branch, and a sophomore who was unimpressive in his freshman campaign. When in doubt you go with experienced proven back courts. How would you rank the BE backcourts?

Lol... I'd rank Georgetown near last.  You are touting Markel Starks who averaged a non-existent 1.5 and 0.7 per game.  You then go to a guy in Smith-Rivera who hasn't played a game yet and then hang your hat on Whittington, a 6'8 220lb forward who has zero shot in hell at playing the SG spot.  Oh BTW, Trawick isn't near a SG either.   Georgetown returns exactly 1.5 and 0.7 En totale' in the backcourt yet you have the nerve to call Phil Greene unimpressive.  Effing joke.  If you had mentioned Domingo, maybe I'd have taken you seriously as he's a real talent with a shot at backcourt play,  but if Georgetown surprises, it certainly will be with new players as there is nobody returning In the backcourt that was "impressive".

You got to it before I did. Lol

Mkw is also a 21 year old sophomore

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me. 

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

Well pardon the 1230am typo but I'm not sold. The kid is good but the point we were stressing is "proven" guys, and he hasn't done so yet in "full time work". Triche has underachieved and is overrated IMO. And isn't the kid Rudd back? If so why not slot him at the 2. All in all I refuse to give our guys the short end of the stick.

Quote from: Moose on August 16, 2012, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

Well pardon the 1230am typo but I'm not sold. The kid is good but the point we were stressing is "proven" guys, and he hasn't done so yet in "full time work". Triche has underachieved and is overrated IMO. And isn't the kid Rudd back? If so why not slot him at the 2. All in all I refuse to give our guys the short end of the stick.

Rothstein is saying that Rudd is a "legit 6'9"" which I'm not buying at all unless he had a David Robinson growth spurt.  MCW out of HS I wasn't sure of.  He proved me wrong.  He's a player.  I'll double back though and say the stuff I've seen on Cooney is no way near McNamara.  Cooney slow as hell and even though McNamara wasn't a speed demon, he had some real guard skills.  Cooney is crafty but talent he played against was suspect.  I have to give Boeheim benefit of the doubt because he's more often right about talent than wrong, but Cooney I'm Not yet sold on.  Triche is a screen shooter.  If the rest of the offenses struggling, he won't create.

Why are we getting offended when a Geoegetown fan calls Phil Greene unimpressive? He's spot on. He had several nice games, but overall, he was unimpressive. Sometimes I think our memories fade as it gets hotter.

7 points and 3 assists is unimpressive. It's the definition of unimpressive. That doesn't mean he won't come back a better player this fall, but Greene was brought here to be a 4 year project, and I think in year 4 he'll be a valuable part of this team.

Quote from: Moose on August 16, 2012, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

Well pardon the 1230am typo but I'm not sold. The kid is good but the point we were stressing is "proven" guys, and he hasn't done so yet in "full time work". Triche has underachieved and is overrated IMO. And isn't the kid Rudd back? If so why not slot him at the 2. All in all I refuse to give our guys the short end of the stick.

You werent the first to call him MKW

Fine then we must be better than Cuse in the backcourt on your logic.  Sign me up!

USF has no true 2 that I see.  Rudd is really a 3.  Noreiga would be their default 2 I guess.  He torched us a few years ago at CA but I think it was an aberration.

Why are we getting offended when a Geoegetown fan calls Phil Greene unimpressive? He's spot on. He had several nice games, but overall, he was unimpressive. Sometimes I think our memories fade as it gets hotter.

7 points and 3 assists is unimpressive. It's the definition of unimpressive. That doesn't mean he won't come back a better player this fall, but Greene was brought here to be a 4 year project, and I think in year 4 he'll be a valuable part of this team.

Yeah 7 and 3 is an outrage as a freshman.

Why are we getting offended when a Geoegetown fan calls Phil Greene unimpressive? He's spot on. He had several nice games, but overall, he was unimpressive. Sometimes I think our memories fade as it gets hotter.

7 points and 3 assists is unimpressive. It's the definition of unimpressive. That doesn't mean he won't come back a better player this fall, but Greene was brought here to be a 4 year project, and I think in year 4 he'll be a valuable part of this team.

Kemba walker averaged 8.9 and 2.9 per game as a frosh.  Obviously means little.  Actually 7/3 is solid if not impressive for a freshman PG out of position.

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

And cooney is no gmac with the ball, I'm sorry. 2 steps to slow. And yet another unproven guy. Our guys played 28 minutes+ last year

FWIW, my top backcourts are USF, SU & Louisville. I love Collins. For SU, they'll start Triche and Carter-Williams. On paper, that's great, but who's the point guard? That could be an adjustment for them. There are a lot of shoes to fill in Syracuse. Not a lot of depth at guard either.

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:50:04 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 16, 2012, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

Well pardon the 1230am typo but I'm not sold. The kid is good but the point we were stressing is "proven" guys, and he hasn't done so yet in "full time work". Triche has underachieved and is overrated IMO. And isn't the kid Rudd back? If so why not slot him at the 2. All in all I refuse to give our guys the short end of the stick.

You werent the first to call him MKW

Fine then we must be better than Cuse in the backcourt on your logic.  Sign me up!

USF has no true 2 that I see.  Rudd is really a 3.  Noreiga would be their default 2 I guess.  He torched us a few years ago at CA but I think it was an aberration.

I wouldn't lay claim to be better but after Louisville and uconn in my book it's wide open. And ok on Rudd, kid is quick can jump , shoot and handle I could see him seeing time 2-4

Quote from: Moose on August 16, 2012, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

And cooney is no gmac with the ball, I'm sorry. 2 steps to slow. And yet another unproven guy. Our guys played 28 minutes+ last year

+1. If Cooney was McNamara, he'd never be redshirted.  If be surprised if he sees time.  Slower than SJU's slowest player.  Hey, I've been wrong before, but the kid doesn't look like he can drive past Moose...

Quote from: Poison on August 16, 2012, 12:57:39 AM

Why are we getting offended when a Geoegetown fan calls Phil Greene unimpressive? He's spot on. He had several nice games, but overall, he was unimpressive. Sometimes I think our memories fade as it gets hotter.

7 points and 3 assists is unimpressive. It's the definition of unimpressive. That doesn't mean he won't come back a better player this fall, but Greene was brought here to be a 4 year project, and I think in year 4 he'll be a valuable part of this team.

Kemba walker averaged 8.9 and 2.9 per game as a frosh.  Obviously means little.  Actually 7/3 is solid if not impressive for a freshman PG out of position.

I don't even know how to respond to that. As a freshman, Kemba Walker was one of the best players in the college game.
Phil Greene showed some potential, but even "solid" is really pushing it. One area that Greene needs to work on is his jump shot. He was a very inconsistent shooter last year.

Everyone keeps saying that he played out of position. If he's not a pg, what is he? He sure as hell isn't a shooting guard.

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 01:01:46 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 16, 2012, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Chilleb on August 16, 2012, 12:17:44 AM

Quote from: Moose on August 15, 2012, 11:52:51 PM

Quote from: desco80 on August 15, 2012, 11:49:22 PM

If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

And cooney is no gmac with the ball, I'm sorry. 2 steps to slow. And yet another unproven guy. Our guys played 28 minutes+ last year

+1. If Cooney was McNamara, he'd never be redshirted.  If be surprised if he sees time.  Slower than SJU's slowest player.  Hey, I've been wrong before, but the kid doesn't look like he can drive past Moose...

Do you think Cuse would have done the same with no Carter Williams?  Probably could have gotten away redshirting him.  They redshirted Cooney because they had experienced team and not enough room.   He has a couple inches on Mac and isnt the same distributor but I'd take his shot.

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If you were going to make the argument that Harrison and Branch/Greene aren't in the top half I'm guessing it'd go like this...
15 teams in the league, here are 7 you could argue are a step above ours... 

Syracuse - Triche/Carter Williams
Uconn - Boatright, Calhoun, Napier
ND - Naughton, Grant
Lousiville - Siva, Smith
PC - Council, Ledo/Dunn
Marquette - Cadougan, Blue, Mayo
Cinn - Kilpatrick, Cashmere


 I would say we compare very favorably to some of these teams, and unlike Louisville and ND who have proven post players they need to feed the ball to, our guards (especially D'angelo) will probably do the bulk of the scoring. 
We're top half.

Thanks for pulling some together.  I was too tired to try.

LVILLE
CUSE
UCONN

Are without question better.

PC if they get LEDO are also better OR if they have a healthy Dunn.  Otherwise move along.

ND I'm not so crazy about.  I like Marquette's but think were pretty much even with them.  And as for Cincy I prefer Green to Cashmere but Cash is more experienced.  Kilpatrick and Dee are a wash.

If we can't go off branch's ranking as merit then why mkw? Who played virtually no minutes last year and is "unproven" in full time duty. In addition Triche has underachieved IMO, I am anxiously waiting to see what he does this year. Lville and uconn get the nodd , and I'd even throw south Florida in there before ND. But after those 3 it's a toss up and SJU is heavily in the mix of things. d'lo is a ticking time bomb.

First of all its MCW not MKW

Secondly he played 10 mins a game on a loaded Cuse team.  I hate Cuse more than any team out there probably and I can respect when a kid is the real deal.  He is going to be a player.  Even mix in Cooney who is a sharpshooter and they could afford to redshirt.  They have compared him to GMac.  Triche always seems to hit the big shot.  They lost their glue in Scoop but should be just fine unfortunately.

USF has the PG no question.  But the 2G is a BIG question mark to me.

Well pardon the 1230am typo but I'm not sold. The kid is good but the point we were stressing is "proven" guys, and he hasn't done so yet in "full time work". Triche has underachieved and is overrated IMO. And isn't the kid Rudd back? If so why not slot him at the 2. All in all I refuse to give our guys the short end of the stick.

Rothstein is saying that Rudd is a "legit 6'9"" which I'm not buying at all unless he had a David Robinson growth spurt.  MCW out of HS I wasn't sure of.  He proved me wrong.  He's a player.  I'll double back though and say the stuff I've seen on Cooney is no way near McNamara.  Cooney slow as hell and even though McNamara wasn't a speed demon, he had some real guard skills.  Cooney is crafty but talent he played against was suspect.  I have to give Boeheim benefit of the doubt because he's more often right about talent than wrong, but Cooney I'm Not yet sold on.  Triche is a screen shooter.  If the rest of the offenses struggling, he won't create.

6'9 seems to be a stretch, but spot on about cooney. If we can't lay claim to the best defensive guard in the class of 2011 who was also a top 50 player and has a year of practice time under his belt then im not giving MCWILLIAMS a pass neither. The kid is good yet unproven.

Best backcourt is Louisville by far. USF has Collins but that is no better than SJU with D'Angelo, Greene, Branch etc.   not a chance.  IMO, if the come to fruiting, Providence will have the most raw talent in their backcourt overall in Council, Ledo and Dunn. 3 fantastic players.  That said, Dunn has a big injury and I think Ledo will be. No-go.  Uconn is talented but small and with no frontcourt nor depth. Marquette has a few talented guys back.  Notre Dame's may be the most underrated with real returning talent.  Maybe 3rd best.  A few other good ones too.  That said, SJU certainly in the top half, especially when Branch eligible.  Too much skill and athleticism overall.

 Guys kemba was McDonald's , Phil Greene wasnt even top 150. And I've been the hardest on Greene but cut him a little lack

Stats mean nothing.  Lets stop keeping them.  Save paper.  Save bandwidth.