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We knew the players had a rough time with his coaching style. That's not news. Still, it says a lot about your make up, if you quit. At least Stith stuck it out for 2/3 of the season. Lindsey was really a child about it.

Nuri was a level 1 quitter and Stith a level 2?

Quote from: we are sju on October 24, 2012, 12:21:48 PM

We knew the players had a rough time with his coaching style. That's not news. Still, it says a lot about your make up, if you quit. At least Stith stuck it out for 2/3 of the season. Lindsey was really a child about it.

Nuri was a level 1 quitter and Stith a level 2?

Exactly
totally different scenario from what i could tell.  when coach came in he indicated to stith that he may not get playing time, but stith insisted that he wanted to stay, work like an animal to improve his game, and earned coach's respect.  unfortunately, he just wasn't as good as the talent coming in.  but he gave it his best shot.  nothing wrong with a kid wanting playing time, and leaving for a school where he can get a chance to play.

Quote from: Poison on October 24, 2012, 12:28:00 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 24, 2012, 12:21:48 PM

We knew the players had a rough time with his coaching style. That's not news. Still, it says a lot about your make up, if you quit. At least Stith stuck it out for 2/3 of the season. Lindsey was really a child about it.

Nuri was a level 1 quitter and Stith a level 2?

Exactly
totally different scenario from what i could tell.  when coach came in he indicated to stith that he may not get playing time, but stith insisted that he wanted to stay, work like an animal to improve his game, and earned coach's respect.  unfortunately, he just wasn't as good as the talent coming in.  but he gave it his best shot.  nothing wrong with a kid wanting playing time, and leaving for a school where he can get a chance to play.

There is something wrong w leaving a team w 7 total players midyear.

are you kidding?  he was branded by lavs as a navy seal.....way onto an elite status as far as effort and discipline...then he quitt a depleted team.

I agree, they are different situations.

But, in some ways I think Stith was the worse of the two.   

Nuri came in, played half a season and didn't like his situation here.   Didn't like the coaching staff, and didn't like how he was being featured in the offense.   He decided to transfer after first semester.   I actually don't really have a problem with that.   People do that in every sport, nobody blames a qb who transfer after his freshman year because he can play more somewhere else.  Or, because he doesn't like the offense they run. 
Nuri's situation was complicated by the fact that we only had six guys though.   When you factor that in, I do think it looks like he let his teammates down a little bit. 
But still, he has to make the decision thats right for him.    He didn't drag things out.   He just moved on.

Stith was a junior.   This was his third year of college basketball, and second with Lavin as a head coach.   Coach had already advised him after 2010 that he might want to look for a fresh start somewhere else, and coach would support him if he did that.    Stith decided to come back.   And from all accounts worked hard and was a good influence on the new guys.   Even if he got frustrated because he wasn't playing as much as he'd like, which would be understandable, he still left the team in the middle of spring semester.    He had a better idea of what he was getting into, was told he'd probably have a limited role, and left in the middle of a semester.

Unless there was a personal or family issue, that seems to me like he let his teammates down more.  I would bet if you asked Dom and D'angelo, they can probably understand a guy transferring after first semester.   They might not like it, they might not even like Nuri.   But guys transfer if the situation isn't right for them.   People are finicky.    To me you're more of a quitter when you leave in the middle of Big East play when the team is struggling and there's only 6 guys on scholarship.   

Different perspective, I know.   But that's how I see it.   

I agree, they are different situations.

But, in some ways I think Stith was the worse of the two.   

Nuri came in, played half a season and didn't like his situation here.   Didn't like the coaching staff, and didn't like how he was being featured in the offense.   He decided to transfer after first semester.   I actually don't really have a problem with that.   People do that in every sport, nobody blames a qb who transfer after his freshman year because he can play more somewhere else.  Or, because he doesn't like the offense they run. 
Nuri's situation was complicated by the fact that we only had six guys though.   When you factor that in, I do think it looks like he let his teammates down a little bit. 
But still, he has to make the decision thats right for him.    He didn't drag things out.   He just moved on.

Stith was a junior.   This was his third year of college basketball, and second with Lavin as a head coach.   Coach had already advised him after 2010 that he might want to look for a fresh start somewhere else, and coach would support him if he did that.    Stith decided to come back.   And from all accounts worked hard and was a good influence on the new guys.   Even if he got frustrated because he wasn't playing as much as he'd like, which would be understandable, he still left the team in the middle of spring semester.    He had a better idea of what he was getting into, was told he'd probably have a limited role, and left in the middle of a semester.

Unless there was a personal or family issue, that seems to me like he let his teammates down more.  I would bet if you asked Dom and D'angelo, they can probably understand a guy transferring after first semester.   They might not like it, they might not even like Nuri.   But guys transfer if the situation isn't right for them.   People are finicky.    To me you're more of a quitter when you leave in the middle of Big East play when the team is struggling and there's only 6 guys on scholarship.   

Different perspective, I know.   But that's how I see it.   

If I may add, I was at the Detroit game, Nuri was terrible at Kentucky but Dunlap stayed with him, In Detroit, he was yanked each time he made a critical mistake and the rest of the team looked at him several times after a TO to see what the hell he was doing. I just don't he was ready to play for a coach like Dunlap or in our offense.

As for Stith, he was never a Big East player and had we had a full roster he would have been at end of the bench not playing. Let's not forget he also got benched for grades I think. It was the usual Norm recruit of a kid meant to play at a
school such as UNC Asheville.

Stith worked extremely hard though and shouldn't be bad mouthed. 

Quote from: sju89tr on October 24, 2012, 06:50:58 PM

If I may add, I was at the Detroit game, Nuri was terrible at Kentucky but Dunlap stayed with him, In Detroit, he was yanked each time he made a critical mistake and the rest of the team looked at him several times after a TO to see what the hell he was doing. I just don't he was ready to play for a coach like Dunlap or in our offense.

As for Stith, he was never a Big East player and had we had a full roster he would have been at end of the bench not playing. Let's not forget he also got benched for grades I think. It was the usual Norm recruit of a kid meant to play at a
school such as UNC Asheville.

Stith worked extremely hard though and shouldn't be bad mouthed. 

I think he is Div 1. There is a real difference between Div 1 and Div 2, trust me.

With all due respect to Stith, he isn't UNC Ashville material either.

Quote from: sju89tr on October 24, 2012, 06:50:58 PM

If I may add, I was at the Detroit game, Nuri was terrible at Kentucky but Dunlap stayed with him, In Detroit, he was yanked each time he made a critical mistake and the rest of the team looked at him several times after a TO to see what the hell he was doing. I just don't he was ready to play for a coach like Dunlap or in our offense.

As for Stith, he was never a Big East player and had we had a full roster he would have been at end of the bench not playing. Let's not forget he also got benched for grades I think. It was the usual Norm recruit of a kid meant to play at a
school such as UNC Asheville.

Stith worked extremely hard though and shouldn't be bad mouthed. 

With all due respect to Stith, he isn't UNC Ashville material either.

Quote from: desco80 on October 24, 2012, 05:03:02 PM

I agree, they are different situations.

But, in some ways I think Stith was the worse of the two.   

Nuri came in, played half a season and didn't like his situation here.   Didn't like the coaching staff, and didn't like how he was being featured in the offense.   He decided to transfer after first semester.   I actually don't really have a problem with that.   People do that in every sport, nobody blames a qb who transfer after his freshman year because he can play more somewhere else.  Or, because he doesn't like the offense they run. 
Nuri's situation was complicated by the fact that we only had six guys though.   When you factor that in, I do think it looks like he let his teammates down a little bit. 
But still, he has to make the decision thats right for him.    He didn't drag things out.   He just moved on.

Stith was a junior.   This was his third year of college basketball, and second with Lavin as a head coach.   Coach had already advised him after 2010 that he might want to look for a fresh start somewhere else, and coach would support him if he did that.    Stith decided to come back.   And from all accounts worked hard and was a good influence on the new guys.   Even if he got frustrated because he wasn't playing as much as he'd like, which would be understandable, he still left the team in the middle of spring semester.    He had a better idea of what he was getting into, was told he'd probably have a limited role, and left in the middle of a semester.

Unless there was a personal or family issue, that seems to me like he let his teammates down more.  I would bet if you asked Dom and D'angelo, they can probably understand a guy transferring after first semester.   They might not like it, they might not even like Nuri.   But guys transfer if the situation isn't right for them.   People are finicky.    To me you're more of a quitter when you leave in the middle of Big East play when the team is struggling and there's only 6 guys on scholarship.   

Different perspective, I know.   But that's how I see it.   

Care to expound? David McCullough has nothing on you. Kidding!

Didn't they get screwed out of beating a very good Cuse team last year in the tourney??  Stith will get backup minutes at Asheville too if that is the case, but I think they lost some talent to grad.