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Poison

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« Reply #3620 on: November 17, 2018, 08:28:47 PM »
Nova will still be ranked. No Syracuse will be ranked. Oregon might not be ranked either. I think it’s safe to expect Iowa to enter the top 25. If we win two at Barclays we have a good chance next Sunday

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« Reply #3621 on: November 17, 2018, 08:51:13 PM »
Nova will still be ranked. No Syracuse will be ranked. Oregon might not be ranked either. I think it’s safe to expect Iowa to enter the top 25. If we win two at Barclays we have a good chance next Sunday

Can't imagine a 2-2 Nova team still being ranked after being embarrassed by Michigan then losing to Furman but I suppose crazier things have happened

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« Reply #3622 on: November 17, 2018, 08:57:53 PM »
Against Doug McDermott's father no less, the only coach in the BE I'd trade Mully for.
Almost pooped myself before the toilet. Assumed u were fxcking around
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« Reply #3623 on: November 17, 2018, 09:33:30 PM »
Nova will still be ranked. No Syracuse will be ranked. Oregon might not be ranked either. I think it’s safe to expect Iowa to enter the top 25. If we win two at Barclays we have a good chance next Sunday

You're crazy Poison, Nova will be ranked in the 30's. Hall losing to A10 favorite, loaded StL. This is our year to strike.
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« Reply #3624 on: November 17, 2018, 10:05:56 PM »
Nova loses back to back games for the first time in 6 seasons. Wow.

Furman has now beaten 2 of last season's Final Four teams in the last 8 days. Good for them.

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« Reply #3625 on: November 17, 2018, 10:27:10 PM »
Seton Hall loses at home to St Louis in an ugly game

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« Reply #3626 on: November 17, 2018, 11:12:55 PM »
A lot of great x and o coaches took the L today

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« Reply #3627 on: November 18, 2018, 12:05:49 AM »
You're crazy Poison, Nova will be ranked in the 30's. Hall losing to A10 favorite, loaded StL. This is our year to strike.

I prefer slightly unhinged to crazy.
Nova as the defending champs will get the benefit of the doubt. I see them falling, but to something like 23.

Seton Hall looks like a mid Major this season. We should beat them twice.

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« Reply #3628 on: November 18, 2018, 09:43:07 AM »
What’s up with Nova’s freshman point guard? He didn’t play.

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« Reply #3629 on: November 18, 2018, 02:38:08 PM »
Georgetown survives in OT against a bad USF team.

The Big East straight up stinks this year

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« Reply #3630 on: November 18, 2018, 08:09:06 PM »
What’s up with Nova’s freshman point guard? He didn’t play.

Matt A calling on line 1!

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« Reply #3631 on: November 19, 2018, 12:52:24 PM »
No BE teams in the top 25

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« Reply #3632 on: November 19, 2018, 04:45:08 PM »
Xavier headed to OT with 8 ranked Auburn in Maui

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« Reply #3633 on: November 21, 2018, 09:01:50 PM »
Butler drops their opener in Atlantis to Dayton. Meanwhile Creighton trying to finish off 16th ranked Clemson while Marquette was up 8 at half but Kansas started the 2nd half on 22-0 run

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« Reply #3634 on: November 22, 2018, 03:36:38 PM »
Butler drops their opener in Atlantis to Dayton. Meanwhile Creighton trying to finish off 16th ranked Clemson while Marquette was up 8 at half but Kansas started the 2nd half on 22-0 run

Would you rather be 5-0 like St. John's or 3-2 like Marquette. They are about to play themselves out of a tournament bid if they don't steal some games.

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« Reply #3635 on: November 22, 2018, 04:48:13 PM »
Would you rather be 5-0 like St. John's or 3-2 like Marquette. They are about to play themselves out of a tournament bid if they don't steal some games.

I'd rather have Marquette's schedule obviously. Their losses are @ Indiana and neutral to Kansas. Those losses won't hurt them at all. We won a 50/50 game vs VCU where one made or miss FT here or there or the refs calling that foul at the end could have flipped it to an L that would hurt us. A loss to Cal could have killed us. A loss to GT will hurt.

Marquette still plays Louisville tomorrow, then Kansas State, Wisconsin and Buffalo. That's 6 total chances for them to pick up quality wins in the non conference compared to our 1. If they go 2-4 in those games and our only L is Duke, we are probably sitting in a similar position to them NCAA Tournament-wise heading into Big East play.

If scheduling nothing but likely Ws and avoiding playing games you might lose was the smart strategy then every major conference team would do it and there wouldn't be any good college basketball games until January. Maui, Atlantis, Preseason NIT and Advocare wouldn't be as stacked as they are every year.

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« Reply #3636 on: November 22, 2018, 05:00:32 PM »
I'd rather have Marquette's schedule obviously. Their losses are @ Indiana and neutral to Kansas. Those losses won't hurt them at all. We won a 50/50 game vs VCU where one made or miss FT here or there or the refs calling that foul at the end could have flipped it to an L that would hurt us. A loss to Cal could have killed us. A loss to GT will hurt.

Marquette still plays Louisville tomorrow, then Kansas State, Wisconsin and Buffalo. That's 6 total chances for them to pick up quality wins in the non conference compared to our 1. If they go 2-4 in those games and our only L is Duke, we are probably sitting in a similar position to them NCAA Tournament-wise heading into Big East play.

If scheduling nothing but likely Ws and avoiding playing games you might lose was the smart strategy then every major conference team would do it and there wouldn't be any good college basketball games until January. Maui, Atlantis, Preseason NIT and Advocare wouldn't be as stacked as they are every year.

You continue to write phrases like  "those losses won't hurt them" (which isn't exactly true, as it blemishes their record) but you fail to understand that is doesn't really help them either.

No team has ever received an automatic bid with less than 16 wins--so clearly wins matter a lot. Hundreds of teams have missed the tournament with top a 25 SoS over the last few decades.

It's a balance between wins and good competition. Nobody is saying to schedule all cupcakes, but I'd rather go 11-0 against cupcakes than have our dicks kicked in by teams like Kansas 11 times.

The 20th best team in the country could lose to the best twelve teams by one point each and not have a chance at the tournament.

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« Reply #3637 on: November 22, 2018, 05:23:38 PM »
You continue to write phrases like  "those losses won't hurt them" (which isn't exactly true, as it blemishes their record) but you fail to understand that is doesn't really help them either.

No team has ever received an automatic bid with less than 16 wins--so clearly wins matter a lot. Hundreds of teams have missed the tournament with top a 25 SoS over the last few decades.

It's a balance between wins and good competition. Nobody is saying to schedule all cupcakes, but I'd rather go 11-0 against cupcakes than have our dicks kicked in by teams like Kansas 11 times.

The 20th best team in the country could lose to the best twelve teams by one point each and not have a chance at the tournament.

Yeah, I'm not asking to play 13 top 25 teams in our OOC. Not by a long shot. But Marquette actually has pretty close to a perfect schedule. 6 of their 13 games are against teams where wins move the needle and losses don't really hurt. We only play 1 of those games.

Last year at this time Butler was 3-2 in the non conference. They lost @ Maryland and neutral to Texas. They later lost a neutral game to Purdue. They also beat Ohio State and Utah for a 10-3 OOC record. They went 10-10 in the BE + BET. They made the tourney as a 10 seed and didn't have to sweat on Selection Sunday.

If they had played only 1 good OOC game and went 12-1 instead, they probably would have been closer to the bubble than they were.

Penn State had 21 wins after the B10 tournament. They won 11 B10 games. But their schedule sucked and their best OOC win was over Montana. They weren't even really in consideration on Selection Sunday


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« Reply #3638 on: November 22, 2018, 06:17:05 PM »
Marquette actually has pretty close to a perfect schedule.

Marquette's 3-2. They've beaten the Presbyterian Blue Hose, the Bethune Cook Wildcats, and the U of Maryland Baltimore Golden Retrievers and lost to unranked Indiana and #2 Kansas. IOW they've beaten no one and lost to everyone. Would you prefer that SJU was 3-2 with that schedule or 5-0 with SJ's schedule.

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« Reply #3639 on: November 22, 2018, 07:11:30 PM »
Marquette's 3-2. They've beaten the Presbyterian Blue Hose, the Bethune Cook Wildcats, and the U of Maryland Baltimore Golden Retrievers and lost to unranked Indiana and #2 Kansas. IOW they've beaten no one and lost to everyone. Would you prefer that SJU was 3-2 with that schedule or 5-0 with SJ's schedule.

You're only looking at the game that have been played to this point. If you look at the overall schedule, it's not even close that Marquette has the far better schedule. Of their 13 OOC games, they have 7 gimme wins, 3 toss ups that would be considered good wins, 1 should win that would be solid, and 2 likely losses where they are essentially freerolling. That's pretty perfect. Them beating Buffalo would be a better win than any of our first 12 games. And that's their 5th or 6th toughest game.

On KenPom, which everybody including the committee looks at now, we dropped 5 spots since beating Cal + VCU. Marquette moved up 1 in their loss to Kansas.

Again, these coaches and ADs have their jobs on the line depending on their program's success, almost all of that revolves around making the NCAA Tournament for major conference teams. If the easiest way to ensure success was to load up on easy wins then everybody would do it. These guys wouldn't be risking their jobs by scheduling good teams if that wasn't the optimal strategy.




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