Big East could vote to dissolve

Pete Thamel of Sports Illustrated says the basketball only schools would make more in a new conference than we do now.

"The Big East basketball schools make about $1.6 million annually ($26 million divided among the 16 schools), but that number was tied to strong brand names like Syracuse, Louisville and Pittsburgh.  Conversations with multiple consultants and television executives about the future of a 12-team Catholic conference have yielded a range of figures.  The Big East schools could easily get their current financial number and likely get $2 million annually with a new deal. At the most optimistic ceiling, the teams could get $3 million per year, although that's considered Pollyannaish."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/#ixzz2Ex8UiCbo

(Marillac moment)

People dismissed me when I suggested that previously

Quote from: desco80 on December 13, 2012, 12:10:18 PM

Pete Thamel of Sports Illustrated says the basketball only schools would make more in a new conference than we do now.

"The Big East basketball schools make about $1.6 million annually ($26 million divided among the 16 schools), but that number was tied to strong brand names like Syracuse, Louisville and Pittsburgh.  Conversations with multiple consultants and television executives about the future of a 12-team Catholic conference have yielded a range of figures.  The Big East schools could easily get their current financial number and likely get $2 million annually with a new deal. At the most optimistic ceiling, the teams could get $3 million per year, although that's considered Pollyannaish."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/#ixzz2Ex8UiCbo

(Marillac moment)

People dismissed me when I suggested that previously

You weren't alone Moose, and you're right there were lots of skeptics.

But, really, it was kind've obvious no?    As much as we like our pride and stability, do you think Harry and the other Presidents would've been motivated enough to finally make a move unless there was significantly more money to be made?      The full story will come out in the days ahead, but it sounds like the basketball schools were misled by the Big East's consultants into thinking how much a new league would get them.  The last week or so they've seen the actual offers, and gotten an assessment of their own and realized they could make more on their own.

Quote from: Moose on December 13, 2012, 12:12:30 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 13, 2012, 12:10:18 PM

Pete Thamel of Sports Illustrated says the basketball only schools would make more in a new conference than we do now.

"The Big East basketball schools make about $1.6 million annually ($26 million divided among the 16 schools), but that number was tied to strong brand names like Syracuse, Louisville and Pittsburgh.  Conversations with multiple consultants and television executives about the future of a 12-team Catholic conference have yielded a range of figures.  The Big East schools could easily get their current financial number and likely get $2 million annually with a new deal. At the most optimistic ceiling, the teams could get $3 million per year, although that's considered Pollyannaish."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/#ixzz2Ex8UiCbo

(Marillac moment)

People dismissed me when I suggested that previously

You weren't alone Moose, and you're right there were lots of skeptics.

But, really, it was kind've obvious no?    As much as we like our pride and stability, do you think Harry and the other Presidents would've been motivated enough to finally make a move unless there was significantly more money to be made?      The full story will come out in the days ahead, but it sounds like the basketball schools were misled by the Big East's consultants into thinking how much a new league would get them.  The last week or so they've seen the actual offers, and gotten an assessment of their own and realized they could make more on their own.

Wouldn't say they were being misled but maybe that comes out.  I just finally they wanted stability and maybe did some proactive fact checking on their own and saw it was not as bad as most thought.

I'm very happy today and provided you add Xavier and Butler the other 1 or 3 teams really  doesn't matter in the grand scheme.

Moose -  (my own Marillac moment)  - I have been talking Catholic league for a long time and we are definitely on the same page...

If this goes through, is there any possibility of the football schools putting there football in another conference and staying in the league for all other sports? never heard any mention from anyone that it is possible but just curious.

Creighton seems a little too far to the west.  12 teams ...east-west division.

Play division twice and other division once for 16   games

Stj
Prov
Gtown
Nova
Seton h
?

Marquette
Depaul
Xavier
Dayyt
Butler
St louis

we need one more for eastern division.  Would be nice if we could get someone in boston but really nno programs that fits the bill.  Maybe george mason

Creighton seems a little too far to the west.  12 teams ...east-west division.

Play division twice and other division once for 16   games

Stj
Prov
Gtown
Nova
Seton h
?

Marquette
Depaul
Xavier
Dayyt
Butler
St louis

we need one more for eastern division.  Would be nice if we could get someone in boston but really nno programs that fits the bill.  Maybe george mason

Agree about Creighton

I'd go VCU over Mason but agree someone from VA area I guess.  Sadly Boston area might be too big of a reach.  But worth the discussion.

Adding Xavier is a no-brainer, also Dayton & Creighton are good additions. But i dont care for St louis or Butler. When Brad Stevens leaves (likely soon) that program will sink into eternal obscurity. I think we should seriously consider adding UMass. If it is possible for them to play their football and B-ball in separate conferences, the same way that Temple (A-10 & MAC) has done recenty. 

For this same reason it think it may be possible in the end to include Temple in this new conference. When the poaching begins again, and the B-12 & SEC raid the ACC and at the end of it Temple is without a major conference home, returning to the MAC in football and playing basketball in the new BE might be an idea we should be receptive to.  I also think it likely that BYU will be in a similar situation when all is done and we should consider adding them for basketball and other sports and their football remains indy.
 

Adding Xavier is a no-brainer, also Dayton & Creighton are good additions. But i dont care for St louis or Butler. When Brad Stevens leaves (likely soon) that program will sink into eternal obscurity. I think we should seriously consider adding UMass. If it is possible for them to play their football and B-ball in separate conferences, the same way that Temple (A-10 & MAC) has done recenty. 

For this same reason it think it may be possible in the end to include Temple in this new conference. When the poaching begins again, and the B-12 & SEC raid the ACC and at the end of it Temple is without a major conference home, returning to the MAC in football and playing basketball in the new BE might be an idea we should be receptive to.  I also think it likely that BYU will be in a similar situation when all is done and we should consider adding them for basketball and other sports and their football remains indy.
 

Umass plays D1 Football.  No go for anyone football.  Screw them.  They made this mess.

If this goes through, is there any possibility of the football schools putting there football in another conference and staying in the league for all other sports? never heard any mention from anyone that it is possible but just curious.

  I would love to be in hoops league with memphis temple uconn.  But it is just a matter of time before uconn or memphis goes at first chance.

Quote from: desco80 on December 13, 2012, 12:20:13 PM

Quote from: Moose on December 13, 2012, 12:12:30 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 13, 2012, 12:10:18 PM

Pete Thamel of Sports Illustrated says the basketball only schools would make more in a new conference than we do now.

"The Big East basketball schools make about $1.6 million annually ($26 million divided among the 16 schools), but that number was tied to strong brand names like Syracuse, Louisville and Pittsburgh.  Conversations with multiple consultants and television executives about the future of a 12-team Catholic conference have yielded a range of figures.  The Big East schools could easily get their current financial number and likely get $2 million annually with a new deal. At the most optimistic ceiling, the teams could get $3 million per year, although that's considered Pollyannaish."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/news/20121213/big-east-basketball/#ixzz2Ex8UiCbo

(Marillac moment)

People dismissed me when I suggested that previously

You weren't alone Moose, and you're right there were lots of skeptics.

But, really, it was kind've obvious no?    As much as we like our pride and stability, do you think Harry and the other Presidents would've been motivated enough to finally make a move unless there was significantly more money to be made?      The full story will come out in the days ahead, but it sounds like the basketball schools were misled by the Big East's consultants into thinking how much a new league would get them.  The last week or so they've seen the actual offers, and gotten an assessment of their own and realized they could make more on their own.

Wouldn't say they were being misled but maybe that comes out.  I just finally they wanted stability and maybe did some proactive fact checking on their own and saw it was not as bad as most thought.

I'm very happy today and provided you add Xavier and Butler the other 1 or 3 teams really  doesn't matter in the grand scheme.

I only said that because it's what I actually read.. wasn't a presumption.   I don't know how reliable this guy is, he writes for NJ newspapers and seems to have sources at the Hall.

Jerry Carino ‏@NJHoopsHaven
Why the sudden shift in mindset for the Big East Catholics? They realized they were misled about the amount of $$$ the TV deal would yield

Jerry Carino ‏@NJHoopsHaven
The bball schools realized the financial hit for having a basketball conference might not be as bad as they were led to believe.

Jerry Carino ‏@NJHoopsHaven
The ball schools needed to get their own consultants to project the numbers, not rely on people vested in keeping the Big East together.

Butler has a decent history plus they've proven they will invest in their program.  Indianapolis is a decent market too.

Jon Rothstein: "So much Soviet Union in Big East"

Has anyone else noticed every article about this has had photos of Sju players. I have a feeling we play a huge role in this. Our toes to nyc and msg are huge for Sju potential conference.

If this goes through, is there any possibility of the football schools putting there football in another conference and staying in the league for all other sports? never heard any mention from anyone that it is possible but just curious.

This is possible for schools with no chance of getting into a major BCS conference. There is ZERO chance of UMass football being accepted into a major conference and are resigned to eternal mid majordom in that sport, so they may be able to separate their football & baskeball into different conferences.  When all is sorted out, Temple and BYU may also be left out of the major mega conferences, and with their football eternally stuck in mid major conference or independent, may desire to have their b-ball affiliated with a major conference.

Has anyone else noticed every article about this has had photos of Sju players. I have a feeling we play a huge role in this. Our toes to nyc and msg are huge for Sju potential conference.

The meeting was at STJ too.

Quote from: gman on December 13, 2012, 12:53:57 PM

Has anyone else noticed every article about this has had photos of Sju players. I have a feeling we play a huge role in this. Our toes to nyc and msg are huge for Sju potential conference.

The meeting was at STJ too.

Daddy Lav Baby!

Quote from: gman on December 13, 2012, 12:53:57 PM

Has anyone else noticed every article about this has had photos of Sju players. I have a feeling we play a huge role in this. Our toes to nyc and msg are huge for Sju potential conference.

The meeting was at STJ too.

Having a feeling we may be on a roll for good news in addition to this BE development. Not recruiting, but as important.

I too have always liked the idea of an all-Catholic basketball league.

How about an all-Protestant League as well?

The winners of each league would play one another and we could vicariously re-live the Protestant Reformation.

Anyone think we are going back to the days of ncaa/nit and two national champs?