Big East could vote to dissolve

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #700 on: February 21, 2013, 11:35:00 AM »
Can't believe people are actually debating the merits of the new C7. As if we had any other choice?

We will add the best 3-5 schools and go from there.   

I'm just not a big believer in waving the white flag. 
i know the c-7 were virtually kicked out.  that doesn't mean the presidents couldn't creatively build something just as good as the old big east.
just sayin..

What would you have them do?

Newsie wanted us to sit and wait until we get booted and on rear ends.  The fact we were proactive and made twice as much money is irrelevant to him.
gross oversimplfication.

there was good reason for the C7 to be proactive and shake up the cadaver formerly known as the big east.

it's the plan that's chilling.  a small "catholic" conference won't be as good as the atlantic 10 in a few years.  you point to all that money that's supposedly coming in as the difference maker.  let's see it first.  this is the same mantra we heard about stephenson/landesberg/etc turning around st john's fortunes once they were on board.  the wishful thinking is laughable. 

NO ONE is paying 30 million dollars (down from 50 million) for ten teams few care about.  this is another internet rumor from the same guys who told you in december orlando sanchez will be suiting up soon.  i suggest we wait for the news conference.

there are good plans out there.  maybe foad...in his spare time...can look mine up.  there are other good suggestions.  the reality is dorky college presidents, including our own, are heading up this new "enterprise".  you saw how well ours did since looie left.

here's what i predict: a dog of a conference...a few teams doing well, including ours as long as lavin is on board...a RARE final four appearance for any if its members and no national championships in the foreseeable future. 

most of you will be happy with this...
I think the C7 could be a potentially nice conf. Look at Butler and Gonzaga ,perennial great teams in mediocre conferences

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #701 on: February 21, 2013, 02:57:27 PM »
Can't believe people are actually debating the merits of the new C7. As if we had any other choice?

We will add the best 3-5 schools and go from there.   

i'm just not a big believer in waving the white flag. 
i know the c-7 were virtually kicked out.  that doesn't mean the presidents couldn't creatively build something just as good as the old big east.
just sayin..

What would you have them do?

Newsie wanted us to sit and wait until we get booted and on rear ends.  The fact we were proactive and made twice as much money is irrelevant to him.
gross oversimplfication.

there was good reason for the C7 to be proactive and shake up the cadaver formerly known as the big east.

it's the plan that's chilling.  a small "catholic" conference won't be as good as the atlantic 10 in a few years.  you point to all that money that's supposedly coming in as the difference maker.  let's see it first.  this is the same mantra we heard about stephenson/landesberg/etc turning around st john's fortunes once they were on board.  the wishful thinking is laughable. 

NO ONE is paying 30 million dollars (down from 50 million) for ten teams few care about.  this is another internet rumor from the same guys who told you in december orlando sanchez will be suiting up soon.  i suggest we wait for the news conference.

there are good plans out there.  maybe foad...in his spare time...can look mine up.  there are other good suggestions.  the reality is dorky college presidents, including our own, are heading up this new "enterprise".  you saw how well ours did since looie left.

here's what i predict: a dog of a conference...a few teams doing well, including ours as long as lavin is on board...a RARE final four appearance for any if its members and no national championships in the foreseeable future. 

most of you will be happy with this...

Even if folks agree to disagree with you about the long term prospects (compare the Big Smoke - I hate the religious connation of C7 and hope it disappears 3 seconds after a proper name is announced - with its new teams to the A10 with its losses and then keep making those ridiculous predictions) if you refuse to come up with an alternative you're just blowin', well, smoke.  Let's look at what you keep harping on about.

Money - Yeah $500mill or even $300 mill over 10 is probably a pipe dream.  Here's what's not, $2 mill per for the BE 7, a 33% increase from the last contract.  And $500K per for the A10 deserters  (predict 5) and others,  a $150K per year (43%) increase.  These terms likely stay in place at least 5 years as the BE 7 bring the lion's share of the cache and negotiating leverage to the table and per published reports the A10 5 understand this and still like the increased $.  That's only $16.5 per year which while far less than the two figures in the original sentence is an increase for all parties and without the financial drains of loser football programs that all but 50 schools have keeps them financially competitive.

Rankings - You keep talking about how many teams from the new conference are ranked.  G-Town, Butler, Marquette, VCU (potentially in), St Louis (probably in and 26th in both polls).  Compare that to the BE.  Memphis.  End of story.  No comparison.  Cincy's getting votes.  UConn might have if they were eligible but they wouldn't be ranked, then again Creighton's still getting votes too.   There's no comparison in the hoops strength of what becomes of the old conference and the new conferences and that's before UConn and Cincy run for the hills.  By comparison the ACC has 6, the Big 10 5.  No one else has more than 3 so the new conference would be third in ranked teams and likely in conference RPI.

Alternatives - In absence of your solution I submit that there is no alternative.  With the ACC defections the BE ceased to exist and no other viable or relevant conference would take non football schools, no matter what a bunch of bad bloggers and journos choose to believe. 

So if you're only point is that the new conference isn't as good as the historical BE, well, yeah we all agree.  But you're going to need some semblance of ammunition to convince the rest of us that it's the end of the world.
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #702 on: February 21, 2013, 05:52:14 PM »
I believe newsie wanted a 32 team national conference.
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #703 on: February 21, 2013, 06:25:01 PM »
I believe newsie wanted a 32 team national conference.

What percentage of those teams are ranked today.   LOL

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #704 on: February 21, 2013, 06:27:46 PM »
Also wanted to point out that of the 6 "ACC" teams ranked at this time 4 are BE teams jumping to the ACC just in case that wasn't clear to anyone. 

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #705 on: February 21, 2013, 08:39:37 PM »
“@McMurphyESPN: Big East deal w/ESPN is $10M for 2013-14 hoops only; $20M for 2014-20 for football/hoops; CBS also worth at least $2M/year in '14”

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #706 on: February 21, 2013, 08:46:57 PM »
“@McMurphyESPN: Big East deal w/ESPN is $10M for 2013-14 hoops only; $20M for 2014-20 for football/hoops; CBS also worth at least $2M/year in '14”

So that's around $650k for each team next year?  Thank God we decided to leave.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #707 on: February 21, 2013, 08:50:25 PM »
“@McMurphyESPN: Full story on ESPN, Big East closing on 7-year, $130M deal http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8972975/big-east-conference-espn-finalizing-7-year-130-million-media-deal

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #708 on: February 21, 2013, 09:01:48 PM »
“@McMurphyESPN: Full story on ESPN, Big East closing on 7-year, $130M deal http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8972975/big-east-conference-espn-finalizing-7-year-130-million-media-deal
Turning down that 1.17 billion dollar contract a few years ago has to be the biggest financial blunder in sports history. well right next to the Ollie Perez and Jason Bay contracts. ::)

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #709 on: February 21, 2013, 10:30:45 PM »
If ESPN retains Big East does NBC put in a bid for the C7?  Would we rather Fox or NBC?
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #710 on: February 21, 2013, 11:43:45 PM »
“@McMurphyESPN: Full story on ESPN, Big East closing on 7-year, $130M deal http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8972975/big-east-conference-espn-finalizing-7-year-130-million-media-deal
That bluder caused the dismantelling of the coference.
Turning down that 1.17 billion dollar contract a few years ago has to be the biggest financial blunder in sports history. well right next to the Ollie Perez and Jason Bay contracts. ::)

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #711 on: February 22, 2013, 01:28:29 PM »
Can't believe people are actually debating the merits of the new C7. As if we had any other choice?

We will add the best 3-5 schools and go from there.   

i'm just not a big believer in waving the white flag. 
i know the c-7 were virtually kicked out.  that doesn't mean the presidents couldn't creatively build something just as good as the old big east.
just sayin..

What would you have them do?

Newsie wanted us to sit and wait until we get booted and on rear ends.  The fact we were proactive and made twice as much money is irrelevant to him.
gross oversimplfication.

there was good reason for the C7 to be proactive and shake up the cadaver formerly known as the big east.

it's the plan that's chilling.  a small "catholic" conference won't be as good as the atlantic 10 in a few years.  you point to all that money that's supposedly coming in as the difference maker.  let's see it first.  this is the same mantra we heard about stephenson/landesberg/etc turning around st john's fortunes once they were on board.  the wishful thinking is laughable. 

NO ONE is paying 30 million dollars (down from 50 million) for ten teams few care about.  this is another internet rumor from the same guys who told you in december orlando sanchez will be suiting up soon.  i suggest we wait for the news conference.

there are good plans out there.  maybe foad...in his spare time...can look mine up.  there are other good suggestions.  the reality is dorky college presidents, including our own, are heading up this new "enterprise".  you saw how well ours did since looie left.

here's what i predict: a dog of a conference...a few teams doing well, including ours as long as lavin is on board...a RARE final four appearance for any if its members and no national championships in the foreseeable future. 

most of you will be happy with this...

Even if folks agree to disagree with you about the long term prospects (compare the Big Smoke - I hate the religious connation of C7 and hope it disappears 3 seconds after a proper name is announced - with its new teams to the A10 with its losses and then keep making those ridiculous predictions) if you refuse to come up with an alternative you're just blowin', well, smoke.  Let's look at what you keep harping on about.

Money - Yeah $500mill or even $300 mill over 10 is probably a pipe dream.  Here's what's not, $2 mill per for the BE 7, a 33% increase from the last contract.  And $500K per for the A10 deserters  (predict 5) and others,  a $150K per year (43%) increase.  These terms likely stay in place at least 5 years as the BE 7 bring the lion's share of the cache and negotiating leverage to the table and per published reports the A10 5 understand this and still like the increased $.  That's only $16.5 per year which while far less than the two figures in the original sentence is an increase for all parties and without the financial drains of loser football programs that all but 50 schools have keeps them financially competitive.

Rankings - You keep talking about how many teams from the new conference are ranked.  G-Town, Butler, Marquette, VCU (potentially in), St Louis (probably in and 26th in both polls).  Compare that to the BE.  Memphis.  End of story.  No comparison.  Cincy's getting votes.  UConn might have if they were eligible but they wouldn't be ranked, then again Creighton's still getting votes too.   There's no comparison in the hoops strength of what becomes of the old conference and the new conferences and that's before UConn and Cincy run for the hills.  By comparison the ACC has 6, the Big 10 5.  No one else has more than 3 so the new conference would be third in ranked teams and likely in conference RPI.

Alternatives - In absence of your solution I submit that there is no alternative.  With the ACC defections the BE ceased to exist and no other viable or relevant conference would take non football schools, no matter what a bunch of bad bloggers and journos choose to believe. 

So if you're only point is that the new conference isn't as good as the historical BE, well, yeah we all agree.  But you're going to need some semblance of ammunition to convince the rest of us that it's the end of the world.

there is no ammunition...only smoke.  that's because not one of us has a b-b pellet's worth of clout.  we're the flea walking up the elephant's leg with a wild night of fornication on our minds.  in some cases, size matters.

what WOULD i have done?  for starters, back in the day, make sure penn state got in.  if that failed, i would have offered to double john swofford's salary to jump to the big east once there were rumblings he was talking miami, boston college and va tech into joining his conference.  all our guy could do was suck his thumb before bringing in great basketball, but mediocre football schools that kept us on a par with the ACC. so swofford kept working to get his conference into the BCS, while ours still sucked enough to have big east football downgraded into mid major status.  no wonder there was a mass exodus. of course, i would have taken the one-point-13 billion dollar TV offer from ESPN the conference shot down.  it's all urine the drunk watered his flowers with at this point.

lets put aside the delusion that savvy programmers at the networks are going to pay a halfway decent basketball league formerly known as the big east more than they'll pay a halfway decent football/basketball league.  there are more than a few "golleeeee's" from the andy griffith/gomer pyle contingent on these boards.  most of us are from the big city.  we'd like to see it first.

i've already said what i'm going to say about the "leadership" of the C7 going forward.  it's weak...it's out of touch...it's soft...it's mediocre...there's still no sense of urgency...not bad for a bunch of losers who still manage to cash nice checks.  to make matters worse, there's buzz the new commissioner may be coming from the west coast conference that houses gonzaga, byu, san francisco, etc.  i don't know anything about him.  what i don't like is he's taking credit for gonzaga when it's really gonzaga's coach who stuck around.  he's also taking credit for expanding TV coverage when EVERY conference is doing the same in the current climate.

so here are my b-bs...there are three choices.

one...push on and add, maybe, three teams to the conference and pray someone is willing to endow you with millions and millions of dollars to allow you to compete with real programs.

two...have a detente with the current "big east" knowing that any of those sailors will jump ship at the first whiff of the female hormone.  the reality is, virtually none of these teams are very attractive to the big boys.  not any more.  that gives you a 16 team conference.  if any (uconn, cincy) get a whiff, they can be replaced.

three...my preference...a mega conference that can blow away the competition with major promotion.  a big city conference that would consist of the aforementioned 16...then adding butler, charlotte, dayton, duquesne, xavier, vcu, st louis and richmond along with detroit, creighton, holy cross (an original big east invitee), wichita, east carolina, southern miss and cleveland state.  four divisions, eight teams each.  home and home within the division with a number of inter division games. post season would be first round games at division leaders' home courts with the remaining 16 heading to MSG.  i left out west coasters like gonzaga, st mary's, san francisco, santa clara because i don't know if their fan base would be able to get to MSG every year.  i don't think the finals should be played in omaha, even though they do a kick-ass job with the baseball world series.

i haven't seen a better idea...yet.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #712 on: February 22, 2013, 01:45:42 PM »
So what you want is to continue what the C7 is doing but add every school and their mother and make it some ungodly number of teams.

Thats all fine but I don't see any positives from it.  You dilute the standing of the elite teams by allowing these other weaker schools to claim they are part of the same conference.  You lose ability for rivalries.  Cloud the market.
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #713 on: February 22, 2013, 01:47:53 PM »
Can't believe people are actually debating the merits of the new C7. As if we had any other choice?

We will add the best 3-5 schools and go from there.   

i'm just not a big believer in waving the white flag. 
i know the c-7 were virtually kicked out.  that doesn't mean the presidents couldn't creatively build something just as good as the old big east.
just sayin..

What would you have them do?

Newsie wanted us to sit and wait until we get booted and on rear ends.  The fact we were proactive and made twice as much money is irrelevant to him.
gross oversimplfication.

there was good reason for the C7 to be proactive and shake up the cadaver formerly known as the big east.

it's the plan that's chilling.  a small "catholic" conference won't be as good as the atlantic 10 in a few years.  you point to all that money that's supposedly coming in as the difference maker.  let's see it first.  this is the same mantra we heard about stephenson/landesberg/etc turning around st john's fortunes once they were on board.  the wishful thinking is laughable. 

NO ONE is paying 30 million dollars (down from 50 million) for ten teams few care about.  this is another internet rumor from the same guys who told you in december orlando sanchez will be suiting up soon.  i suggest we wait for the news conference.

there are good plans out there.  maybe foad...in his spare time...can look mine up.  there are other good suggestions.  the reality is dorky college presidents, including our own, are heading up this new "enterprise".  you saw how well ours did since looie left.

here's what i predict: a dog of a conference...a few teams doing well, including ours as long as lavin is on board...a RARE final four appearance for any if its members and no national championships in the foreseeable future. 

most of you will be happy with this...

Even if folks agree to disagree with you about the long term prospects (compare the Big Smoke - I hate the religious connation of C7 and hope it disappears 3 seconds after a proper name is announced - with its new teams to the A10 with its losses and then keep making those ridiculous predictions) if you refuse to come up with an alternative you're just blowin', well, smoke.  Let's look at what you keep harping on about.

Money - Yeah $500mill or even $300 mill over 10 is probably a pipe dream.  Here's what's not, $2 mill per for the BE 7, a 33% increase from the last contract.  And $500K per for the A10 deserters  (predict 5) and others,  a $150K per year (43%) increase.  These terms likely stay in place at least 5 years as the BE 7 bring the lion's share of the cache and negotiating leverage to the table and per published reports the A10 5 understand this and still like the increased $.  That's only $16.5 per year which while far less than the two figures in the original sentence is an increase for all parties and without the financial drains of loser football programs that all but 50 schools have keeps them financially competitive.

Rankings - You keep talking about how many teams from the new conference are ranked.  G-Town, Butler, Marquette, VCU (potentially in), St Louis (probably in and 26th in both polls).  Compare that to the BE.  Memphis.  End of story.  No comparison.  Cincy's getting votes.  UConn might have if they were eligible but they wouldn't be ranked, then again Creighton's still getting votes too.   There's no comparison in the hoops strength of what becomes of the old conference and the new conferences and that's before UConn and Cincy run for the hills.  By comparison the ACC has 6, the Big 10 5.  No one else has more than 3 so the new conference would be third in ranked teams and likely in conference RPI.

Alternatives - In absence of your solution I submit that there is no alternative.  With the ACC defections the BE ceased to exist and no other viable or relevant conference would take non football schools, no matter what a bunch of bad bloggers and journos choose to believe. 

So if you're only point is that the new conference isn't as good as the historical BE, well, yeah we all agree.  But you're going to need some semblance of ammunition to convince the rest of us that it's the end of the world.

there is no ammunition...only smoke.  that's because not one of us has a b-b pellet's worth of clout.  we're the flea walking up the elephant's leg with a wild night of fornication on our minds.  in some cases, size matters.

what WOULD i have done?  for starters, back in the day, make sure penn state got in.  if that failed, i would have offered to double john swofford's salary to jump to the big east once there were rumblings he was talking miami, boston college and va tech into joining his conference.  all our guy could do was suck his thumb before bringing in great basketball, but mediocre football schools that kept us on a par with the ACC. so swofford kept working to get his conference into the BCS, while ours still sucked enough to have big east football downgraded into mid major status.  no wonder there was a mass exodus. of course, i would have taken the one-point-13 billion dollar TV offer from ESPN the conference shot down.  it's all urine the drunk watered his flowers with at this point.

lets put aside the delusion that savvy programmers at the networks are going to pay a halfway decent basketball league formerly known as the big east more than they'll pay a halfway decent football/basketball league.  there are more than a few "golleeeee's" from the andy griffith/gomer pyle contingent on these boards.  most of us are from the big city.  we'd like to see it first.

i've already said what i'm going to say about the "leadership" of the C7 going forward.  it's weak...it's out of touch...it's soft...it's mediocre...there's still no sense of urgency...not bad for a bunch of losers who still manage to cash nice checks.  to make matters worse, there's buzz the new commissioner may be coming from the west coast conference that houses gonzaga, byu, san francisco, etc.  i don't know anything about him.  what i don't like is he's taking credit for gonzaga when it's really gonzaga's coach who stuck around.  he's also taking credit for expanding TV coverage when EVERY conference is doing the same in the current climate.

so here are my b-bs...there are three choices.

one...push on and add, maybe, three teams to the conference and pray someone is willing to endow you with millions and millions of dollars to allow you to compete with real programs.

two...have a detente with the current "big east" knowing that any of those sailors will jump ship at the first whiff of the female hormone.  the reality is, virtually none of these teams are very attractive to the big boys.  not any more.  that gives you a 16 team conference.  if any (uconn, cincy) get a whiff, they can be replaced.

three...my preference...a mega conference that can blow away the competition with major promotion.  a big city conference that would consist of the aforementioned 16...then adding butler, charlotte, dayton, duquesne, xavier, vcu, st louis and richmond along with detroit, creighton, holy cross (an original big east invitee), wichita, east carolina, southern miss and cleveland state.  four divisions, eight teams each.  home and home within the division with a number of inter division games. post season would be first round games at division leaders' home courts with the remaining 16 heading to MSG.  i left out west coasters like gonzaga, st mary's, san francisco, santa clara because i don't know if their fan base would be able to get to MSG every year.  i don't think the finals should be played in omaha, even though they do a kick-ass job with the baseball world series.

i haven't seen a better idea...yet.

Adding a commissioner does not take away the problems of your conference.

The SEC is the best football conference in America, period.  If the Big East hired the SEC Commissioner that wouldn't suddenly turn Rutgers and Temple into Alabama and Florida.  Yeah just hire Mike Slive of the SEC and before you know it the Big East will have 7 straight BCS title teams…

Stop with this commissioner nonsense.  Mike Tranghese was a tremendous commissioner.  He has essentially admitted that once the realignment ball got rolling the blow up of the Big East was inevitable.

Penn St was NEVER going to join the Big East.  First off the Big East did not even have football when Penn St was lured to the Big 10.  The reason why Big East football was formed was because Pitt and Syracuse, then Independents in football, were probably going to join Penn St in the Big 10. Penn St was actively recruiting these schools. Then Miami was brought in to bring major football cache to the conference.

This is what drives me nuts about some of you.  You create situations that you HAVE NO IDEA IF THEY WOULD HAVE WORKED OR IF THEY MAY HAVE  BEEN TRIED ALREADY AND FAILED, then because these mythical things did not happen you base your criticism on this thus you are always right because these theoretical things never occurred.

"Well if they took my advice and lured Penn St to the BE and hired Swofford then everything would be OK…"  Right just like that.  No chance anybody else perhaps thought of this or tried it or realized none of that would have happened...
« Last Edit: February 22, 2013, 02:04:18 PM by fordham96 »

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #714 on: February 22, 2013, 05:01:49 PM »
first, joining conferences for football is relatively new.  penn state was independent until 1992.  syracuse was independent.  same with boston college.  penn state fell one vote short of joining the big east.  you can look it up.  holy cross was offered but they turned it down.

re: swofford.  you didn't understand what i was driving at.  swofford was a predator.  we were the prey.  if we got swofford, the acc would have been the prey.  acc football sucked back in the day and by any standards under swofford it still sucks.  at least their conference is whole while the big east is relegated to mid major status.  tranghese was a tremendous commissioner when it came to basketball.  when it came to football, he was completely inept...a big negative. 

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #715 on: February 22, 2013, 06:47:28 PM »
So what you want is to continue what the C7 is doing but add every school and their mother and make it some ungodly number of teams.

Thats all fine but I don't see any positives from it.  You dilute the standing of the elite teams by allowing these other weaker schools to claim they are part of the same conference.  You lose ability for rivalries.  Cloud the market.

And dilute the revenue. 

Also just to stop the huge quotes I'll start with Newsie again here. 

First, I'm not going to debate ancient history with you except to say that the day BC, Miami and VT jumped it was clear to anyone willing to admit it that the football/basketball divide would only increase and that the events of the past year were inevitable.  What could or should have been done to prevent that is now irrelevant.  I know I said it then and have continued to say to this day that this split was going to and had to happen.  The needs and goals of the two groups were always too divergent.  Now it's about charting a path for the future.

If you believe the "New" Uconn/Cincy led BE is a real football conference OR a good basketball conference even close to what the BE7 are putting together then your starting point is so far off kilter at the beginning its no wonder your sky is falling your estimations so off.

They're CUSA level at football at best, and only in a bad year for CUSA, and below the A-10 in hoops now with 4 decent programs . . . period.  And they bring not a single important DMA outside of Texas besides Philly.  That is why their TV contract looks like a rural hoops only offer and why every one of those programs will need boosters and sponsors to even keep their football programs profitable.

I know football is where the money is but not for this sorry lot.  UConn, Cincy and Aresco have utterly and completely lost this game.

Re your solutions, one is what's going to happen, two would never happen with the teams that UConn and Cincy are willing to associate their brands with (Tulane and ECU, you're effing kidding me), and three may be the future of non football playing college basketball once the BCS conference splinter off from the NCAA and form their own sports association but there's not enough money to make it work now.

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #716 on: February 23, 2013, 07:46:56 AM »
read my prediction in the post that began: gross oversimplification.

i could care less about woulda shoulda coulda.  someone asked what would i have done, so i answered. 

i realize the overwhelming number of posters on these sites were elated at the norm roberts choice...even over calipari.  they believed great things can happen if you will it.

i'm telling you...with the so-called leadership running the ship...we're getting a mediocre product.  that's it.  there's nothing any one of us can do about it.

final note...if the bcs breaks from the ncaa...the bcs basketball tournament will be to the current ncaa as the current ncaa is to the nit. 



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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #717 on: February 23, 2013, 08:35:17 AM »
...we're getting a mediocre product.  that's it.  there's nothing any one of us can do about it.

I think this both true and false. On the one hand, the c7 is an obvious step down from the BE: we're losing Syracuse, Uconn, Pitt, Louisville, WV and replacing them with Saint Louis and whoever; we're keeping Depaul and Seton Hall. But on the other we're stepping down to a level where we can be competitive year in and year out, even when TGAPL leaves, which I have no doubt he will. That would never be the case in a league dominated by football schools. The end result of the drop in class will be a better more watchable product. If nothing else we'll be the muddy shoe rather than the doormat.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #718 on: February 23, 2013, 09:26:07 AM »
The other issue is that IMO while conference affiliation is certainly important for television contracts and the like, it isn't what makes for great basketball.  Lots of teams played great basketball before all of these conference issues.  Calipari coached at UMass and it didn't make a difference what conference he was in.  He put the same product on the court for the most part.

What matters more is a team's ability to put together a good and competitive schedule.  The one thing SJU has is NYC and MSG.  It means we can out together a great OOC yearly and I don't think anybody will miss our old league to tell the truth.  Even if it's a lesser league, we could perform better in the league theoretically thereby increasing our chances for NCAA berths yearly. 

Conferences don't necessarily make the team. It doesn't seem to have hurt Gonzaga to be pillaging through a weak conference every year and being a perennial tourney team.  In fact, while the Big East in its most recent form hasn't been the best in positioning the basketball schools for success.

A better than mediocre league doesnt mean SJU can't be excellent, have a great schedule and have more success than in the past.  Same factors apply ie coaching and talent.  The conference itself is being overvalued slightly.  As long as the league is making money and on tv, it will be a decent league with the current makeup and rumored additions.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #719 on: February 23, 2013, 01:16:23 PM »
“@blauds: Big east and espn reach agreement.”