NC Asheville Game

Our rotation should be Branch, Phil and D'lo in the backcourt. Sampson, Obekpa, and Amir up front. Sprinkle in Marco and Felix.  If you are going to play Gift now is the time. Personally, I'd throw him in there. We need the help on the boards badly.

Time to sit Dom and keep Jones on the bench.

I want to preemptively say I hope no one comes on here in the coming days and says;
"It's just one game", or we have "only two bad losses".   

Everyone on here knows that's just not true.   This was not an anomaly, it was a continuation of the type of bad play we've seen regularly so far this season.   We looked like this in the first halves against NJIT, Holy Cross and Florida Gulf Coast, not to mention Fordham and of course the entire USF game.   

We can debate other excuses, and some of them may have some validity; we are still young, there's no Sanchez etc.   
But no more blowing this off as a one time occurance.   This keeps happening, I don't want anyone to claim otherwise.    :

Have to agree with you! As stated by Happy, that weave has absolutely no upside and only perpetuates offensive stagnation.

I want to preemptively say I hope no one comes on here in the coming days and says;
"It's just one game", or we have "only two bad losses".   

Everyone on here knows that's just not true.   This was not an anomaly, it was a continuation of the type of bad play we've seen regularly so far this season.   We looked like this in the first halves against NJIT, Holy Cross and Florida Gulf Coast, not to mention Fordham and of course the entire USF game.   

We can debate other excuses, and some of them may have some validity; we are still young, there's no Sanchez etc.   
But no more blowing this off as a one time occurance.   This keeps happening, I don't want anyone to claim otherwise.    :

Day after. I'm still very much disgusted.

But to combat your point above its a fact though that we have two bad losses.  Regardless of those other games when you woke up the morning after those other games were WINS.  And the two best teams we played this year we also lost to.  But we had leads of 13 and 9 points respectively in those games.  Lets see how they handle the first couple of BE games.  I've said it forever this team drops to lower level comp and rises to bigger teams all the time.

Quote from: desco80 on December 22, 2012, 02:42:21 AM

I want to preemptively say I hope no one comes on here in the coming days and says;
"It's just one game", or we have "only two bad losses".   

Everyone on here knows that's just not true.   This was not an anomaly, it was a continuation of the type of bad play we've seen regularly so far this season.   We looked like this in the first halves against NJIT, Holy Cross and Florida Gulf Coast, not to mention Fordham and of course the entire USF game.   

We can debate other excuses, and some of them may have some validity; we are still young, there's no Sanchez etc.   
But no more blowing this off as a one time occurance.   This keeps happening, I don't want anyone to claim otherwise.    :

Day after. I'm still very much disgusted.

But to combat your point above its a fact though that we have two bad losses.  Regardless of those other games when you woke up the morning after those other games were WINS.  And the two best teams we played this year we also lost to.  But we had leads of 13 and 9 points respectively in those games.  Lets see how they handle the first couple of BE games.  I've said it forever this team drops to lower level comp and rises to bigger teams all the time.

Comp level of play is a valid point. A concern is whether we can do decently on the road in BE where there is no margin of error. If not, based on play to date, holding serve against BE teams we can beat at home is a crap shoot. We will have to see, but prognosis is guarded at best for breaking even in BE play. That said, still enjoy the team. Lavin needs to turn the offense over to Branch, as many have said. He made some errors, but gets the ball to the right people at the right time. Offense was much crisper when he was in. I know he is inexperienced, but throw him in there and let it rip. We have nothing to lose. He also is fine defensively. Obekpa playing at top of key should be shit canned as well.

Quote from: desco80 on December 22, 2012, 02:42:21 AM

I want to preemptively say I hope no one comes on here in the coming days and says;
"It's just one game", or we have "only two bad losses".   

Everyone on here knows that's just not true.   This was not an anomaly, it was a continuation of the type of bad play we've seen regularly so far this season.   We looked like this in the first halves against NJIT, Holy Cross and Florida Gulf Coast, not to mention Fordham and of course the entire USF game.   

We can debate other excuses, and some of them may have some validity; we are still young, there's no Sanchez etc.   
But no more blowing this off as a one time occurance.   This keeps happening, I don't want anyone to clai

otherwise.    :

Day after. I'm still very much disgusted.

But to combat your point above its a fact though that we have two bad losses.  Regardless of those other games when you woke up the morning after those other games were WINS.  And the two best teams we played this year we also lost to.  But we had leads of 13 and 9 points respectively in those games.  Lets see how they handle the
first couple of BE games.  I've said it forever this team drops to lower level comp and rises to bigger teams all the time.

That may be true but while we have had two bad losses, the real question may be , how many good wins have we had?  Comeback victories against inferior opponents does not qualify as a "good win" does it? And true while we may rise to the level of our competition, we never got over the hump against the " good competition" , and consistently squander leads.  if you consider the win against Detroit a " good win" then you may have to acknowledge that we have regressed.

I've said it forever this team drops to lower level comp and rises to bigger teams all the time.\

Yah, like they rose up and kept it within 20 points versus Baylor.

Just curious, was the 15 point loss at USF Saint John's dropping down to USF's level or was them that rising up to meet the challenge posed by a bigger team? Nevermind, that's rhetorical. It certainly is an interesting tack though: Saint John's is atrocious because the teams they're losing to are even worse. 

Quote from: Moose on December 22, 2012, 08:46:00 AM

I've said it forever this team drops to lower level comp and rises to bigger teams all the time.\

Yah, like they rose up and kept it within 20 points versus Baylor.

Just curious, was the 15 point loss at USF Saint John's dropping down to USF's level or was them that rising up to meet the challenge posed by a bigger team? Nevermind, that's rhetorical. It certainly is an interesting tack though: Saint John's is atrocious because the teams they're losing to are even worse. 

Fun your smarter than this. 

They know they are playing a 4-8 Asheville team.  They don't get up for the game.  They build a lead and then press the brakes and then all of a sudden the lead whittles to nothing and we end up losing.  Or with FGCU or Holy Cross or whoever else where we sleepwalk to start, come back take lead and win.  They got up for Murray game and built considerable lead.  Built a lead against Baylor as well.  And for gods sake we lost the Baylor game by 20 but it was all FT's at the end.

This lack of concentration/focus falls on both the players and the staff.

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

Again the 2010 team was in the 300's in rebounding.
They tied for 3rd in the BE and made the NCAA's

Quote from: Gray Chudney on December 22, 2012, 09:18:24 AM

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

Again the 2010 team was in the 300's in rebounding.
They tied for 3rd in the BE and made the NCAA's

Quote from: Gray Chudney on December 22, 2012, 09:18:24 AM

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

Again the 2010 team was in the 300's in rebounding.
They tied for 3rd in the BE and made the NCAA's

I doubt  that team gave up as many easy baskets at point blank range as this one though, not to mention open threes. Don't know for sure, but just saying.

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Quote from: Gray Chudney on December 22, 2012, 09:18:24 AM

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

Again the 2010 team was in the 300's in rebounding.
They tied for 3rd in the BE and made the NCAA's

I doubt  that team gave up as many easy baskets at point blank range as this one though, not to mention open threes. Don't know for sure, but just saying.

They didn't give up baskets down low.  But they did give up plenty of open 3's.  Remember the early season losses to Fordham and Bonnies that year.  The players picked up the zone better that year.

That kid Atkinson was left wide open. Harrison doesn't guard him. All we hear about is how good our defenders are. Other than Obekpa, who blocks shots, no one takes it seriously.

Hopefully, this loss will be what they to take games seriously.

It's laughable that people are talking NBA about some these guys.
Right now. They are not even ready for the Big East.

That kid Atkinson was left wide open. Harrison doesn't guard him. All we hear about is how good our defenders are. Other than Obekpa, who blocks shots, no one takes it seriously.

Hopefully, this loss will be what they to take games seriously.

It's laughable that people are talking NBA about some these guys.
Right now. They are not even ready for the Big East.

It always seems like they can NEVER stay in front of their guys. They take horrible angles and even unathletic guys get by Dom and Amir or anyone else on our team. It's frustrating, it makes me wonder how they practice defense in practice.

Quote from: Poison on December 22, 2012, 09:31:13 AM

That kid Atkinson was left wide open. Harrison doesn't guard him. All we hear about is how good our defenders are. Other than Obekpa, who blocks shots, no one takes it seriously.

Hopefully, this loss will be what they to take games seriously.

It's laughable that people are talking NBA about some these guys.
Right now. They are not even ready for the Big East.

It always seems like they can NEVER stay in front of their guys. They take horrible angles and even unathletic guys get by Dom and Amir or anyone else on our team. It's frustrating, it makes me wonder how they practice defense in practice.

And then the guy turns the corner.  Obekpa is waiting.  He goes for the block and either gets it or force an awkward shot.  There is nobody else in position so the unathletic big man on the other team simply grabs the ball and lays it up.

Fast forward 2 possessions and repeat.

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Terrible loss.  Long season.  Hopefully this one doesn't bite us in the arse when it comes to CBI vs. NIT.

According to some this is an NIT team right now.

They are still an NIT team at worst.

Nope. Theyre an NIT  team at best. They have no chance of finishing with a winning record without Sanchez.
And they have no shot at all of making the big tourney. And the reason for this is the inferior coach. That wont change at any point this season.

How do you know Sanchez will help this team?  Even if he is as good as some say won't this "inferior" coach still have too much infuence on the team?

Yes, which is why even with Sanchez they are at best a borderline NIT team. Without him they are <.500, with no postseason at all.

What do you think BE record will be?
Can you provide general idea of what games you see us winning and losing

After what i have seen thus far, I am not very confident in their chances against even crappy teams like Prov, SHU, Rutgers, Depaul....

I don't think we have any right calling teams crappy when our team has lost to San Francisco and UNC Asheville

Quote from: Chilleb on December 22, 2012, 12:56:31 AM

Rysheed Jordan does not commit ...Reason: not a fan of the 3 man top of the key shuffle offense.

Too bad we didn't secure commitments from Jordan and Lawrence in the early signing period because if results like this continue even Lavin's recruiting will suffer and he will be caught in a Norm Roberts vortex or conundrum if you will (Lavin speak-using 2 phrases or terminologys to say essentially or basically the same thing-oops I did it again).

When Cincinnati destroys St. John's the first week of January, I wonder what our chances will be of landing JL

Players are not going to sign a LOI when you are losing games like this

This team is 268th in the country in total Reb % and showing no improvement. Red shirting gift without havin Sanchez plus making no clear effort to change our approach on the boards shows me that we are punting this year altogether. No team this bad at rebounding can succeed at a high level. Wait til next year again I guess

Wait until next year and let's remember that we have no recruits signed up yet

JL and RJ are still on the radar, but I'm getting more and more pessimistic they will want to join this group

 maybe 12/21/12  was the end of the world...

Any post game quotes from this debacle?  Lavin throw himself under the bus?

Fun your smarter than this. 

No, Fun, you're smarter than this.

The best thing that can be said taking your explanation at face value is that 12 games into a 30 game season the million dollar coaching staff is unable to motivate the players to play hard against the cupcakes and unable to implement strategies that will give them an advantage against teams with comparable talent; and the players left over from last years 13 win team are either lazy, cocky, or lack the will to dominate. Perhaps there's solace to be had in the psychological explanation. What I see is a flawed team, a flawed staff, and a flawed game plan. I take solace in their youth: wait till next year bums, unless Harrison leaves and Sampson declares and why shouldn't they. But as things stand now this team is going to suffer a fair share of humiliation in the BE. Perhaps that will improve their concentration.