Notre Dame Game Discussion

After watching this,  Rysheed Jordan just looked up the Cali area code & Orlando called NCAA and said, "Never mind"

Just working off frustration.

question is will it be worked off by the time we see you at the game saturday

I'm sure all the posters calling for Lavs head cause of this skirmish were all calling for carnesecca's head after the providence game in 1988...... Jayson Williams punched a Prov player then beat up a fan in the stands. n the heat of the moment a 19 yr old kid may do something stupid so lets scrap the whole program. Some of the posters here are pathetic

Well said

Do I dare say the Redmen curse continues? We having a winning season year 1 but DJ blows out his knee, we lose in the 1st round and we have to start from scratch. Year two we have players ruled ineligable, Lavin is out for the year and one of our best players is selected in the NBA. Year three Harrison who predicted an NCAA bid is out for because an attitude problem, more players are ruled ineligable, Lavin misses more time because his dad died and our season is going down in flames...

Quote from: desco80 on March 05, 2013, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 05, 2013, 08:56:04 PM

I better appreciate that we are the "youngest, worst shooting, poorly constructed team in the country".

+1
 It couldn't be more true.   And, not to pile on - but why the hell can't we make adjustments mid game?   When it goes bad, it goes BAD in a hurry.
Lavin may not be playing with a full arsenal right now (young, no d'angelo etc)  but he should be getting better results than this.   Hard to argue with that.

We played well against Cincy and ND the first time, other than that all we've done is capitalize on a real easy stretch of games against DePaul/SH/Rutgers.   
Is it fair to say the season's been a disappointment?    ... I'm leaning in that direction.   But let's see how we prepare for Marquette and the BE tournament.  Maybe they'll surprise us.   

I don't think our Big East record is really a disappointment, if you had told someone before the season started that we wouldn't have Sanchez, Branch would be hurt and Harrison would be suspended.   But the real disappointment I think is the lack of certain players' progress from start of the season to now.  And the half-court offense is a massive disappointment.

Let's analyze man by man:
Obekpa: probably most improved this year during the season.  He improved his rebounding tremendously, shown some signs as a passer and consistently is an elite shot blocker.  Free throw shooting and offensive moves did not improve.

Sampson - Improved somewhat, playing more of an assertive role.  But his shot selection I feel got worse as the season went along as he asserted himself.  We know that needs to get stronger, improve his handle, and extend his range.   His mid-range game was good for all season.

Greene - didn't really improve during the year; he's forced to play out of position for a lot of the season.  Unfortunately his shooting did not improve at all, also he didn't make any progress in terms of creating for others.  He must improve his shooting.

Harrison - didn't improve - probably regressed, especially when you consider his efficiency of shot selection and shooting percentages.

Pointer - got better with free throw shooting, and some three point shooting and dribbling.  Notwithstanding his fight tonight.  He was good on defense.  He moderately improved almost all aspects of his game.  He still picks up ticky-tack fouls.  He must learn to shoot better.

Branch - book is still open - shows some real passing ability.  But his grade is really an 'incomplete' because of his injury. He seemed slow out there today, and I bet his knee has a lot to do with it.  His shot was only good for a game or two.  I hope it gets better.

Garrett - did not improve.  regressed on free throw shooting.
Borgault - did not improve really, besides getting a little more playing time.
Jones - Incomplete data. He did not play
Felix - Incomplete data. He did not play
Sanchez - incomplete. We have no idea.

I think our defense overall got better.   We have shown some solid minutes with our defense.  However, our half court offense made zero progress.   

I think that most people would be disappointed that we really didn't improve as the season progressed. Especially when you consider how young we were and they could have learned so much.

But for next year, I'm still optimistically hopeful.  A full-time PG, a passing Sanchez, a 2nd year Sampson and   a tamed Harrison should make the offense better. We just need to take 1 or 2 million jump shots collectively this off-season.

Reasonable assessment...I think we simply don't have the disciplione to grind a game out...you could see the ND run coming and we are just unable to get an easy shot...wheels completely fell off when Branch was taken out and Greene ran team in 2nd half...

Branch doesn't seem to have his legs on his jumpers...not sure if it is related to the injury

Do I dare say the Redmen curse continues? We having a winning season year 1 but DJ blows out his knee, we lose in the 1st round and we have to start from scratch. Year two we have players ruled ineligable, Lavin is out for the year and one of our best players is selected in the NBA. Year three Harrison who predicted an NCAA bid is out for because an attitude problem, more players are ruled ineligable, Lavin misses more time because his dad died and our season is going down in flames...

Look at the bright side of this - this program certainly keeps you on your toes.  There is plenty fodder to discuss on these boards.  It is very entertaining. 

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

And he can 'hope' guys improve.

Why was Dom out on the court after the flagrant-1??  What good can ever come in leaving players in the game in the final minutes of a blowout (the winning OR losing end)??

I turned the game on w 8 mins left. I think that was one of the ugliest 8 min of college BB I have ever watched.

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

I predict at least 10 made three's on Saturday.  They are due.

Do I dare say the Redmen curse continues? We having a winning season year 1 but DJ blows out his knee, we lose in the 1st round and we have to start from scratch. Year two we have players ruled ineligable, Lavin is out for the year and one of our best players is selected in the NBA. Year three Harrison who predicted an NCAA bid is out for because an attitude problem, more players are ruled ineligable, Lavin misses more time because his dad died and our season is going down in flames...

You forgot just as we seemed to be turning the corner w Branch he got injured.

Quote from: paultzman on March 05, 2013, 10:04:51 PM

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

I predict at least 10 made three's on Saturday.  They are due.

Sure

During warmups

A cherry on top from Jimmy Olsen

“@LennRobbins: One of the worst night's in St. John's basketball history..Ugly fight at the end of a 26-point loss at ND #stjbb”

Quote from: Tiznow on March 05, 2013, 10:39:53 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 05, 2013, 10:04:51 PM

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

I predict at least 10 made three's on Saturday.  They are due.

Sure

During warmups

With Orlando shooting them

“@ECoastBias: Lavin, re: the fight: "Talking trash, it's not going to elevate or move us forward in terms of winning a basketball game." #stjbb”

Nor is our "Non Motion" offense and a roster without shooters or legitimate offensive post player. Need basketball players, not a decathlon team Coach.

It's a roster of summer leaguers.

Quote from: paultzman on March 05, 2013, 10:04:51 PM

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

I predict at least 10 made three's on Saturday.  They are due.

I think this every game, and all we do is continue with bricks. I have never seen such a god awful 3 pt shooting team. It's to the point where I would just leave us wide open for 3 and dare us to take those shots and clog the paint if I was the opponent defending us. It's not just contested 3's we don't make...we also don't make open ones. I know he doesn't get enough time, but Marco sucks. There I said it. He blows. The kid misses at least 3 easy look 3 pointers every game. He is supposed to be our specialist and he can't even hit a good look most times. When our specialist is hitting at about a 10% clip our past few games you know it's a joke. I won't feel like we have a real chance of winning big until we get real shooters.

Quote from: Tiznow on March 05, 2013, 10:39:53 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 05, 2013, 10:04:51 PM

4/37 shooting 3s over past three games. Why wouldn't we be the easiest team to defend in BE?

I predict at least 10 made three's on Saturday.  They are due.

I think this every game, and all we do is continue with bricks. I have never seen such a god awful 3 pt shooting team. It's to the point where I would just leave us wide open for 3 and dare us to take those shots and clog the paint if I was the opponent defending us. It's not just contested 3's we don't make...we also don't make open ones. I know he doesn't get enough time, but Marco sucks. There I said it. He blows. The kid misses at least 3 easy look 3 pointers every game. He is supposed to be our specialist and he can't even hit a good look most times. When our specialist is hitting at about a 10% clip our past few games you know it's a joke. I won't feel like we have a real chance of winning big until we get real shooters.

Marco can pass and rebound. He doesn't just stand there with the ball, he moves it. He's not hitting his shots recently but it is not easy to shoot after you get pulled for missing a shot.

I like Felix but what has he been doing the last two game to warrant so much more playing time than Marco.   I'm excited to see the Marquette game. Marco and jokes will get minutes and I'm excited to see the ball move around a little bit.

We got carved up tonight by Grant who went 5-6 from 3 which is 83%. ND shot nearly 50% from 3 the entire game. They make the harder shots easier than we make the gimmes. Just goes to show how far away we are from being able to shoot our ways to wins. It's the same story every game. 1/11 or 3/15 ish from 3, 30-34% FG, and brick after brick. By the way, Grant was only a 3 star recruit and was ranked worse than many of the guys we have. He was in the 100's in terms of his national ranking. We have 40's 50's and 60's and they look much worse than him shooting wise. This has to fall on Lavin recruiting...do we not know how to evaluate talent? Providence has Cotton shooting 40% from 3 and he wasn't some crazy recruit. Where are these players for us?

We got carved up tonight by Grant who went 5-6 from 3 which is 83%. ND shot nearly 50% from 3 the entire game. They make the harder shots easier than we make the gimmes. Just goes to show how far away we are from being able to shoot our ways to wins. It's the same story every game. 1/11 or 3/15 ish from 3, 30-34% FG, and brick after brick. By the way, Grant was only a 3 star recruit and was ranked worse than many of the guys we have. He was in the 100's in terms of his national ranking. We have 40's 50's and 60's and they look much worse than him shooting wise. This has to fall on Lavin recruiting...do we not know how to evaluate talent? Providence has Cotton shooting 40% from 3 and he wasn't some crazy recruit. Where are these players for us?

Yet they started something like 1-7 from 3.

St John's stopped playing D in the second half.  In fact they stopped playing in the last 30 seconds of the first half.  They gave them an easy 3, forgot to inbound with 4 seconds  and ran to the locker room.  They should have stayed in the locker room.  I think Curley was right when he said that all the missed shots got into the heads of the redmen and they let down on the defensive end.